Chicagoland Race Thread

[bowtie]

Originally posted by x6D7268+Jul 11 2004, 04:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (x6D7268 @ Jul 11 2004, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bowtie@Jul 11 2004, 04:41 PM
Do you realize how fast 20 feet closes at over 100mph? Faster than you can react and Tony said he got out of the throttle.

They're both running over 100. Closing speed at their rates is no different then me doing 50 gaining on the before mentioned trailer doing 40. [/b][/quote]
That is where you are wrong, closing rate at 150 is a whole lot faster than at 50.

 

[Eagle1]

I'd like to know when Tony had this supposed 20' you're saying he had when Kasey slowed? He was almost to his back bumper, these cars aren't even 20' long and there sure wasn't a car length between them. These cars by the way are only about 14' long. Another thing Kasey said he was shifting, do you know how these guys shift with out the clutch? You let of the gas and pull the trans out of gear allowing RPMs to drop to suck it back into higher gear. It sure looked to me like Kasey was shifting a lot earlier than anyone else so they weren't expecting the slow down. Could be cause he didn't put on any tires and his old ones would break loose easy.

 

[Eagle1]

Originally posted by bowtie+Jul 11 2004, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Jul 11 2004, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -x6D7268@Jul 11 2004, 04:44 PM
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@Jul 11 2004, 04:41 PM
Do you realize how fast 20 feet closes at over 100mph? Faster than you can react and Tony said he got out of the throttle.

They're both running over 100. Closing speed at their rates is no different then me doing 50 gaining on the before mentioned trailer doing 40.

That is where you are wrong, closing rate at 150 is a whole lot faster than at 50. [/b][/quote]
I agree with that Bowtie, but if you've never driven over 75 or 80 you wouldn't know that.

 

[kat2220]

APPLAUSE EAGLE!!!!!!

 

[x6D7268]

OK, just my opinion, but just from watching the video Kasey looked to be up on the track in front of Tony when Tony was more than a car length behind.

 

[x6D7268]

Originally posted by bowtie@Jul 11 2004, 04:51 PM
That is where you are wrong, closing rate at 150 is a whole lot faster than at 50.

So enlighten me.
150 (Tony) minus 140 (Kasey shifting) = 10 mph difference. (Hypothetical speeds)
50 (me) minus 40 (trailer) = 10 mph difference.

I know reaction time falls exponentially the faster you go (I've driven at interstate speeds for years) but when the car in front of you is going only 10 mph slower than you at any given speed, the closing rate (to me) is the same at any given speed.

Please tell me where I'm wrong.

 

[Eagle1]

Well yes he was in front of Tony, isn't that obveous? Exactly when did Kasey let off the gas? that's the question and just how much reaction time does tack? So tell me this then, If a guy can react as fast as YOU say Tony should have how come cars much further back with more spacing between them got involved?

 

[dragonlady424]

Well, dear, we have TIVO and have taken the option of reviewing that action a couple or so times. Are you sure you are watching the same race as the rest of us?????
Ya know, I never get my car over 50, and I ain't dumb enough to think I could stop it if I came abruptly up on a vehicle doing 10MPH!!!!! Fraid my Insurance Co. would be getting a call from me to tell them I did a stupid thing!!!!!

 

[racerx11]

Originally posted by kat2220@Jul 11 2004, 04:47 PM
If Anybody blames Tony, SHAME!

Shame on me Kat, and I agree with mopar9 100%.

Your are right Bowtie, 150 is alot faster than 50, but how is the closeing rate any faster at 145 and 150 any faster than at 45 and 50?

Why didn't Jeramy just wreck Sterling? I mean he missed a shift all together. Kasey was just shifting and it is alright for Tony to wreck him.

 

[majestyx]

I will add my comment from another thread here, too.

It could have been ANY car behind Kasey and the same thing would have happened. Unfortunately it happened to be Tony Stewart.

 

[WideOpenPhoto]

Originally posted by majestyx@Jul 11 2004, 05:15 PM
I will add my comment from another thread here, too.

It could have been ANY car behind Kasey and the same thing would have happened. Unfortunately it happened to be Tony Stewart.

Exactly.

 

[Mopardh9]

Exactly....it is all about patience,Tony has none , hasn't had any all season.

 

[bowtie]

Originally posted by x6D7268@Jul 11 2004, 05:06 PM
I know reaction time falls exponentially the faster you go (I've driven at interstate speeds for years)

you answered your own question, reaction time.

 

[majestyx]

Originally posted by Mopardh9@Jul 11 2004, 05:15 PM
Exactly....it is all about patience,Tony has none , hasn't had any all season.

I will not disagree with that either, Mopar.

Oh, and I also agree with the comment that was made that Tommy Baldwin and crew had absolutely NO business going to the 20's pit. That could have been discussed AFTER the race was over. There's going to be some hefty fines levied for this situation next week.

 

[Mopardh9]

Yep Tommy was in the wrong there, but in the heat of the battle stuff like that happens and it gets ugly. Nascar definetly didn't need this incident today, just compounds their problems.

 

[bowtie]

Originally posted by Mopardh9@Jul 11 2004, 05:15 PM
Exactly....it is all about patience,Tony has none , hasn't had any all season.

I guess he should've waited until everybody ahead of him was on the gas and of his way before he took the green flag. Last time I checked this was racing and the point is to lead as many laps as you can and if you're behind you try to catch the leader so you can lead.

 

[Mopardh9]

Yeh ok lead at what cost???

 

[racerx11]

Originally posted by bowtie+Jul 11 2004, 05:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Jul 11 2004, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mopardh9@Jul 11 2004, 05:15 PM
Exactly....it is all about patience,Tony has none , hasn't had any all season.

I guess he should've waited until everybody ahead of him was on the gas and of his way before he took the green flag. Last time I checked this was racing and the point is to lead as many laps as you can and if you're behind you try to catch the leader so you can lead. [/b][/quote]
Yeah! and just run over the drivers in front of you. Good point.

 

[racerx11]

Originally posted by majestyx@Jul 11 2004, 05:15 PM
I will add my comment from another thread here, too.

It could have been ANY car behind Kasey and the same thing would have happened. Unfortunately it happened to be Tony Stewart.

How can you say that? Sterling missed a shift in front of Jeramy and didn't get wrecked.

 

[bowtie]

yeah, he decided when he passed Marlin that he would take Kasey out. He knew Kasey would get loose and he could spin him into the fence.

 

[bowtie]

Originally posted by racerx11+Jul 11 2004, 05:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (racerx11 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--majestyx@Jul 11 2004, 05:15 PM
I will add my comment from another thread here, too.

It could have been ANY car behind Kasey and the same thing would have happened.&nbsp; Unfortunately it happened to be Tony Stewart.

How can you say that? Sterling missed a shift in front of Jeramy and didn't get wrecked. [/b][/quote]
because it's been happening since they started racing cars.

 

[Lap3Forever]

looks like i missed a lot! :lol:

 

[WideOpenPhoto]

Here we go again with the good'ol 31 booting the 43..hmmmmm Who's driving that car anyways... I didn't see a driver change during the last caution.

 

[racerx11]

Oh, and people have not been shifting gears since the beginning.

 

[majestyx]

Originally posted by racerx11@Jul 11 2004, 05:34 PM
Oh, and people have not been shifting gears since the beginning.

I promise you, if this incident had NOT involved Tony Stewart, there would be none of this talk going on.

 

[bowtie]

Originally posted by majestyx@Jul 11 2004, 05:36 PM
I promise you, if this incident had NOT involved Tony Stewart, there would be none of this talk going on.

exactly.

 

[WideOpenPhoto]

Congrats Tony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mopardh9]

I agree if it wsn't Tony it wouldn't be talked about like is. But it is Tony and contreversy has followed him all season long, brought on by mostly Tony.

 

[Eagle1]

Congrats Tony and team.

 

[Lap3Forever]

Originally posted by WideOpenPhoto@Jul 11 2004, 05:33 PM
Here we go again with the good'ol 31 booting the 43..hmmmmm Who's driving that car anyways... I didn't see a driver change during the last caution.

don't give me that crap again, Robby has not spun hardly anyone this year he has kept his nose clean. Tony has spun a lot more cars out since dega as to Robby has all year.

 

[majestyx]

Originally posted by Lap3Forever+Jul 11 2004, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lap3Forever @ Jul 11 2004, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--WideOpenPhoto@Jul 11 2004, 05:33 PM
Here we go again with the good'ol 31 booting the 43..hmmmmm Who's driving that car anyways... I didn't see a driver change during the last caution.

don't give me that crap again, Robby has not spun hardly anyone this year he has kept his nose clean. Tony has spun a lot more cars out since dega as to Robby has all year. [/b][/quote]
Chill out, lappy. I think that the point was, Tony is not the ONLY driver during today's race who had an incident with another car.

 

[Mrs.Nascar20]

Congrat's to Tony and the whole Home Depot team. He had the most dominate car all race, and he deserves the win.

 

[Lap3Forever]

Originally posted by majestyx+Jul 11 2004, 06:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Jul 11 2004, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Lap3Forever@Jul 11 2004, 05:53 PM
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@Jul 11 2004, 05:33 PM
Here we go again with the good'ol 31 booting the 43..hmmmmm Who's driving that car anyways... I didn't see a driver change during the last caution.

don't give me that crap again, Robby has not spun hardly anyone this year he has kept his nose clean. Tony has spun a lot more cars out since dega as to Robby has all year.

Chill out, lappy. I think that the point was, Tony is not the ONLY driver during today's race who had an incident with another car. [/b][/quote]
sorry maj and WoP!

 

[slick-nick]

Originally posted by Lap3Forever+Jul 11 2004, 10:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lap3Forever @ Jul 11 2004, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -majestyx@Jul 11 2004, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by -Lap3Forever@Jul 11 2004, 05:53 PM
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@Jul 11 2004, 05:33 PM
Here we go again with the good'ol 31 booting the 43..hmmmmm Who's driving that car anyways... I didn't see a driver change during the last caution.

don't give me that crap again, Robby has not spun hardly anyone this year he has kept his nose clean. Tony has spun a lot more cars out since dega as to Robby has all year.

Chill out, lappy. I think that the point was, Tony is not the ONLY driver during today's race who had an incident with another car.

sorry maj and WoP! [/b][/quote]
No need to apologize, your just defending your driver after an ignorant comment.