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racerx11
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To bad for Mike, just another way for Muarice to screw up his life. I guess Mike can still get in in the suplemental draft but Muarice is out for another year. HA HA!
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bowtie
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here is an article..............
NEW YORK — A federal appeals court Monday blocked former Ohio State (search) star Maurice Clarett (search) and other young football players like him from entering the NFL (search) draft this weekend.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the NFL had demonstrated that it is likely to succeed in arguing that college underclassmen should not be allowed to turn pro.
Clarett, who played as a freshman at Ohio State and was ineligible as a sophomore, had challenged the NFL rule that requires a player to be out of high school for three years before entering the draft.
The NFL argued that the rule is for young athletes' own good, because it is designed to make sure they are big enough and strong enough to play with the pros.
In February, U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin declared that the rule violates antitrust law by preventing athletes from pursuing their livelihood. She ruled that underclassmen should be allowed to turn pro.
But the appeals court Monday blocked Scheindlin's ruling while it takes up the issue.
Calls to Clarett's attorney, Alan Milstein, and to the Youngstown, Ohio, home of Clarett's mother were not immediately returned.
NEW YORK — A federal appeals court Monday blocked former Ohio State (search) star Maurice Clarett (search) and other young football players like him from entering the NFL (search) draft this weekend.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the NFL had demonstrated that it is likely to succeed in arguing that college underclassmen should not be allowed to turn pro.
Clarett, who played as a freshman at Ohio State and was ineligible as a sophomore, had challenged the NFL rule that requires a player to be out of high school for three years before entering the draft.
The NFL argued that the rule is for young athletes' own good, because it is designed to make sure they are big enough and strong enough to play with the pros.
In February, U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin declared that the rule violates antitrust law by preventing athletes from pursuing their livelihood. She ruled that underclassmen should be allowed to turn pro.
But the appeals court Monday blocked Scheindlin's ruling while it takes up the issue.
Calls to Clarett's attorney, Alan Milstein, and to the Youngstown, Ohio, home of Clarett's mother were not immediately returned.
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racerx11
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Thanks Bowtie.
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bowtie
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no problem
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EatMorePossum
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Clarett blew it. Hope he learns how to flip burgers.
Stay in school. Always pays off in the end.
Stay in school. Always pays off in the end.
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bowtie
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exactly, I hope he never gets to the NFL.
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4xchampncountin
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Tell that to guys like Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett and all the others who never even went to college and are making more than most countries make in a year.
Or guys like Stephon Marbury who everyone said was crazy for turning pro after his freshman year and is now an extremely well paid, if slightly overrated NBA player.
I realize there are countless stories of guys who should have gone to school and regretted doing so later. But, it is downright unamerican to tell an adult that he can't make a living if there are people out there willing to pay him a king's ransom to do so.
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4xchampncountin
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There are also countless stories of guys who went to college figuring a pro career was a given and ended up getting injured in a college game and never making a dime off of their talents.
4x, while I understand the point you are trying to make, it just won't fly! You CANNOT compare the individuals you named that are playing basketball to those who want to skip college and play pro FOOTBALL! The two sports are completely different. Those who wish to skip college and go right into playing pro football think way too much of their abilities, and their physical condition. These boys are just that, boys, and will just get their behinds smeared all over the football field.
Sorry, but this is my honest opinion.
Sorry, but this is my honest opinion.
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Beat me to the punch on that one.Originally posted by majestyx@Apr 19 2004, 09:04 PM
4x, while I understand the point you are trying to make, it just won't fly! You CANNOT compare the individuals you named that are playing basketball to those who want to skip college and play pro FOOTBALL! The two sports are completely different. Those who wish to skip college and go right into playing pro football think way too much of their abilities, and their physical condition. These boys are just that, boys, and will just get their behinds smeared all over the football field.
Sorry, but this is my honest opinion.
NBA players are astounding athletes, and take a fair amount of beating and banging. I'll never deny that. But I'd feel better with LeBron pushing around with Vince Carter than I would a 19 year old kid getting pancaked by Warren Sapp or smashed by Urlacher, pads or no.
Sometimes people need to be saved from themselves. Right, Sauter?
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4xchampncountin
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No need to apologize.Originally posted by majestyx@Apr 20 2004, 01:04 AM
Sorry, but this is my honest opinion.
While I understand the difference between football and baseball, my point still stands.
By all accounts Lebron James was almost as gifted in football as he was in basketball. An all-ohio wide receiver, James decided to quit playing football after his junior year because didn't want to risk injury in a sport where he would be denied an opportunity to make a living right out of high school anyway.
Lebron James is 6'8" tall and 258 pounds with a reported 7% body fat ratio. How does that compare to virtually any wide receiver in the NFL?
Do you see my point?
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bowtie
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Age means alot, with age comes mental capacity, the difference between a 17 year old and a 20 year old is astounding.
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EatMorePossum
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No, quite frankly, I don't.
One of these days it will happen. And not long after, somebody's going to get hurt bad. Then of course come the lawsuits claiming the NFL is liable for allowing a minor into the league. Then we all get to purchase pay-per-view to see a football game, all because somebody was too lazy to fake their way through 4 years of college and let their body fully develop.
Would you want your teenager slapped around by Jevon Kearse?
Football is so much more brutal than basketball or baseball as to be beyond comparison. True, people get hurt at every sport. But there's no way I'll ever believe that even a phenomenal athlete who is 17 belongs on a football field with John Lynch, Lavar Arrington, Ty Law, or Michael Strahan. I'm anything but a soccer fan, but I believe that MLS is absolutely wrong in signing that 14 year old child. They must really need to sell tickets and get some exposure to go to those lengths. His parents need to be skinned alive. The 14 year old girl playing golf...OK, maybe. 13 year old pro tennis players? If you must. But tennis elbow and whatever golfers do to get injured does not compare to football, just as the NBA and MLB do not.
Just the thoughts of a roving marsupial creature of the night. Take them for what you think they're worth.
EMP, I agree with you 100%! These kids need much more mind and body conditioning than a high school coach can provide.
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Tommy29
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Clarett will play in the NFL some team will be dumb enough to draft.
I'm sorry, but what part of this did you misunderstand?article as posted by bowtie:
(see 2nd or 3rd post on page 1) If they have been blocked from entering the draft, then an NFL team cannot draft them......
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4xchampncountin
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They will probably be offered up in a "supplemental draft". These men gave up their college eligability because a court ruled they were eligable for the NFL Draft this year. Now another court decides they can't. Whether you like the idea or not, this is really unfair to these young men. They have a right to earn a living, and in the end they will be able to do so.
Even if they don't get into the NFL this year, they will surely be selected next year. But in my opinion, that is stealing money from them and their families to deny them a right to earn a legitimate living until the NFL decides they can.
Even if they don't get into the NFL this year, they will surely be selected next year. But in my opinion, that is stealing money from them and their families to deny them a right to earn a legitimate living until the NFL decides they can.
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Happy29
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Theyre going to be some good target practice for those linebackers if they went this year that is.
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Tommy29
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I'm sorry, but what part of this did you misunderstand?article as posted by bowtie:
(see 2nd or 3rd post on page 1) If they have been blocked from entering the draft, then an NFL team cannot draft them...... [/b][/quote]
AH I understood the whole thing I know he cant enter the draft this year but he can next year and someone will be dumb enough to draft him!
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EatMorePossum
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No one is denying them the right to earn a living. It's spelled w-o-r-k. I might want to be an investment banker, but the FDIC says I can't without the appropriate credentials.
Of course, they'd make more money this year if they had a college degree...but somebody has to flip those Big Macs.
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4xchampncountin
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Maurice Clarett filed an emergency appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to try to force his way into this weekend's NFL draft.
Clarett's attorney, Alan Milstein, asked for a stay of a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals preventing the former Ohio State tailback from entering the draft.
"We're hoping justice will prevail and Mr. Clarett will play football -- which is what he was born to do and which is what he is ready to do," Milstein said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
Monday's decision put on hold a lower-court ruling that said the NFL can't force players to wait three years after high school before turning pro.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg will handle the case.
Sources have told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that Bader Ginsburg will decide to do one of three things:
Deny Clarett's application for the emergency lifting of the stay, which means Clarett and Mike Williams will not be included in the NFL draft this weekend.
Grant the lifting of the stay, which would allow Clarett and Williams to be in the draft.
Ask for the NFL's response in writing or orally, and then make a determination. Most people involved in the case believe the third scenario is most likely, Paolantonio reports.
The NFL said Clarett has little chance of success at the Supreme Court.
"There was ample support for the ruling of the 2nd Circuit, which thoroughly considered and completely rejected the arguments that Mr. Clarett's lawyers have presented to the Supreme Court," NFL executive vice president Jeff Pash said.
On Monday, Southern California sophomore receiver Mike Williams filed his own lawsuit in federal court in Manhattan, saying the NFL had issued conflicting statements about eligibility for the draft, thus causing him to sacrifice his college career.
If they wind up being eligible, Williams would be expected to go in the first round of the draft, while Clarett might not be taken until the second or third round.
Clarett argued in Tuesday's filing that the NFL would not suffer any harm if he is allowed in the draft -- but he would be harmed if he is blocked.
Clarett led Ohio State to a national title as a freshman, but he was ruled ineligible as a sophomore for accepting money from a family friend and for lying about it to NCAA and university investigators. Williams declared for the draft after a lower court ruled in Clarett's favor.
Clarett, 20 and out of high school two years, would be eligible for the draft next year under the current rule.
He dropped out of classes at Ohio State after the winter quarter, then declined to work out for scouts at the NFL's combine in Indianapolis in February.
Clarett's mother said her son would continue to train as if he would be playing in the NFL.
"He's continuing to work out so his mind and body are in sync," Michelle Clarett told The Columbus Dispatch for Tuesday's editions, adding that she wasn't particularly bothered by Monday's ruling.
Should the court decide against Clarett -- and by extension, Williams -- the players could only return to play college football if they met academic standards and their universities successfully petitioned the NCAA for reinstatement.
Steve Snapp, an assistant athletic director at Ohio State, said there were significant obstacles in the way of Clarett regaining his eligibility even if he wanted to rejoin the Buckeyes.
"There is a number of issues about whether or not he has professionalized himself," Snapp said.
U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that month that Clarett should be allowed in the draft. She said the rule excluding him violates antitrust law and unjustly blocks a player from pursuing his livelihood.
Ginsburg is a Clinton administration appointee who oversees matters from the New York-based 2nd U.S. Circuit. She could decide on her own whether to intervene or refer the issue to the full court. She could also ask the NFL to file a response.
There is no court deadline for Ginsburg to act on the request, but Clarett's lawyer told her in the filing that if he "is prevented from entering the draft this weekend, he will suffer substantial irreparable injury."
If Ginsburg or the full court turns down the request, the lower court's decision against Clarett stands.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report
Clarett's attorney, Alan Milstein, asked for a stay of a decision by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals preventing the former Ohio State tailback from entering the draft.
"We're hoping justice will prevail and Mr. Clarett will play football -- which is what he was born to do and which is what he is ready to do," Milstein said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.
Monday's decision put on hold a lower-court ruling that said the NFL can't force players to wait three years after high school before turning pro.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg will handle the case.
Sources have told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that Bader Ginsburg will decide to do one of three things:
Deny Clarett's application for the emergency lifting of the stay, which means Clarett and Mike Williams will not be included in the NFL draft this weekend.
Grant the lifting of the stay, which would allow Clarett and Williams to be in the draft.
Ask for the NFL's response in writing or orally, and then make a determination. Most people involved in the case believe the third scenario is most likely, Paolantonio reports.
The NFL said Clarett has little chance of success at the Supreme Court.
"There was ample support for the ruling of the 2nd Circuit, which thoroughly considered and completely rejected the arguments that Mr. Clarett's lawyers have presented to the Supreme Court," NFL executive vice president Jeff Pash said.
On Monday, Southern California sophomore receiver Mike Williams filed his own lawsuit in federal court in Manhattan, saying the NFL had issued conflicting statements about eligibility for the draft, thus causing him to sacrifice his college career.
If they wind up being eligible, Williams would be expected to go in the first round of the draft, while Clarett might not be taken until the second or third round.
Clarett argued in Tuesday's filing that the NFL would not suffer any harm if he is allowed in the draft -- but he would be harmed if he is blocked.
Clarett led Ohio State to a national title as a freshman, but he was ruled ineligible as a sophomore for accepting money from a family friend and for lying about it to NCAA and university investigators. Williams declared for the draft after a lower court ruled in Clarett's favor.
Clarett, 20 and out of high school two years, would be eligible for the draft next year under the current rule.
He dropped out of classes at Ohio State after the winter quarter, then declined to work out for scouts at the NFL's combine in Indianapolis in February.
Clarett's mother said her son would continue to train as if he would be playing in the NFL.
"He's continuing to work out so his mind and body are in sync," Michelle Clarett told The Columbus Dispatch for Tuesday's editions, adding that she wasn't particularly bothered by Monday's ruling.
Should the court decide against Clarett -- and by extension, Williams -- the players could only return to play college football if they met academic standards and their universities successfully petitioned the NCAA for reinstatement.
Steve Snapp, an assistant athletic director at Ohio State, said there were significant obstacles in the way of Clarett regaining his eligibility even if he wanted to rejoin the Buckeyes.
"There is a number of issues about whether or not he has professionalized himself," Snapp said.
U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ruled that month that Clarett should be allowed in the draft. She said the rule excluding him violates antitrust law and unjustly blocks a player from pursuing his livelihood.
Ginsburg is a Clinton administration appointee who oversees matters from the New York-based 2nd U.S. Circuit. She could decide on her own whether to intervene or refer the issue to the full court. She could also ask the NFL to file a response.
There is no court deadline for Ginsburg to act on the request, but Clarett's lawyer told her in the filing that if he "is prevented from entering the draft this weekend, he will suffer substantial irreparable injury."
If Ginsburg or the full court turns down the request, the lower court's decision against Clarett stands.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report
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bowtie
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When they are eligible I wouldn't call it stupid to draft them. Clarret does have an attitude but he is an awesome running back. (in NCAA anyway)
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17_Fan
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No team will be able to draft them, but I bet a team will be able to pick them up as a free agents. Could be a loop hole since the ruling only said they couldn't be drafted. Of course the payout probably wouldn't be as good as being drafted in the 1st round.
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Tommy29
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If he gets back into shape like he was in college he'll be a good pick but now he has gone to combines and he is not in that good of shape. Thats why people were saying he would go in the 3rd round because he is lost a step from not playing last year.