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If you saw Ray Dunlap on Wind Tunnel the other night, you heard him make the comment about drivers not hitting other cars/trucks after the race, settle it face-to-face. He expands on that and more in the link below. I happen to agree with a lot of it, especially the language issue over the radios.

http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/dunlap-nascar-code-of-conduct

Profanity is not acceptable on team radios. We are all adults. Drivers should act like it.
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If only all of society felt that way.
 
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3) I’ll admit I swear too much in my daily personal life. However, I never have uttered a curse word on TV. I can temper my speech in this situation because I am very aware that type of language is unacceptable during a broadcast. It is no more acceptable on the team radio where fans (many of them small children) can listen in.
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Profanity on team radios is fine. Drivers get frustrated and need to vent. Just because those companies make a **** ton of money renting out the headsets doesn't mean drivers have to hold back on their own radios because the lil jimmys are listening as well.
 
I work in public safety and have a very demanding job. There are times I get frustrated and need to vent after dealing with Joe Q public. Are you saying that because I am a professional, I should be allowed to speak my peace to an individual or even over our secure channel without fear of discipline?

There are forbidden words for radio and TV and that should hold true for radio at the track as well.

StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
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Profanity on team radios is fine. Drivers get frustrated and need to vent. Just because those companies make a **** ton of money renting out the headsets doesn't mean drivers have to hold back on their own radios because the lil jimmys are listening as well.
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Smoke14 said:
I work in public safety and have a very demanding job. There are times I get frustrated and need to vent after dealing with Joe Q public. Are you saying that because I am a professional, I should be allowed to speak my peace to an individual or even over our secure channel without fear of discipline?

There are forbidden words for radio and TV and that should hold true for radio at the track as well.
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drivers shouldn't swear on PUBLIC radio and tv. however, on their own team radios they should use whatever language they choose. nobody is making lil johnny and suzie listen to team radio conversations. you don't like it, don't listen.
 
I can't help it I have to go over these rules from my perspective:

After the race is completed, all grievances between drivers should be settled person-to-person.

I agree 100%, just tell the media to stay out of it and turn their mics and cameras off. Also no Security, Police Officers or Lawyers should be allowed within 100 yards.


Following the checkered flag, no driver shall make any form of contact with another vehicle for any reason.

I'm guessing this means running your racecar into another racecar? I see this rule as a Rateings and Ticket Sales Killer! How about it's okay as long as your on the track, once one or the other cars enters the pit area it's a No Car Touch Zone.


Profanity is not acceptable on team radios. We are all adults. Drivers should act like it.

The teams purchase their radio systems with their own money and have never to my knowledge invited the entire world to listen in? ( in car to broadcast booth is over a seperate channel ) They also do not sell/rent Their radio channels or scanners to the public.
If your going to listen in your doing it at your own risk and should know before hand things may get intense.


Thanks I feel better now.
 
SlowNeasy said:
drivers shouldn't swear on PUBLIC radio and tv. however, on their own team radios they should use whatever language they choose. nobody is making lil johnny and suzie listen to team radio conversations. you don't like it, don't listen.
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Exactly. This isn't the greatest comparison but in the NFL the coaches all use headsets to talk to the quarterback and each of the other coaches except none of those conversations are SOLD to the public. We should feel lucky to be able to even listen to the drivers convos if we so choose to but I don't feel like we have any right to censor drivers DURING the race. In any pre and post interviews of course drivers shouldn't curse, that's common sense.

All athletes curse during their games/whatever. If you don't like it then tune into a different drivers radio.
 
MRM said:
If you saw Ray Dunlap on Wind Tunnel the other night, you heard him make the comment about drivers not hitting other cars/trucks after the race, settle it face-to-face. He expands on that and more in the link below. I happen to agree with a lot of it, especially the language issue over the radios.

http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/dunlap-nascar-code-of-conduct



If only all of society felt that way.
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Someone needs to get out of the racing business.

Then again, Ray Dunlap is, and always has been, a grade A idiot.
 
SlowNeasy said:
drivers shouldn't swear on PUBLIC radio and tv. however, on their own team radios they should use whatever language they choose. nobody is making lil johnny and suzie listen to team radio conversations. you don't like it, don't listen.
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Exactly
 
I have no problem with the language over the teams' radios. Don't most teams give out a disclaimer over their frequency before the race starts?

If you don't want your little ears burned, don't listen!

Now, TV or public radio is a whole different ball of wax -- they need to watch their language.
 
SlowNeasy said:
drivers shouldn't swear on PUBLIC radio and tv. however, on their own team radios they should use whatever language they choose. nobody is making lil johnny and suzie listen to team radio conversations. you don't like it, don't listen.
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The radios that the teams own are licensed by the FCC and the same laws and rules apply that apply to TV and public radio.

The teams own the radio but they do not own or have private frequencies.
 
Smoke14 said:
The radios that the teams own are licensed by the FCC and the same laws and rules apply that apply to TV and public radio.

The teams own the radio but they do not own or have private frequencies.
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Those radios are relatively low power and have very limited range. FCC would have to be in the parking lot with their snooper truck in order to nab anyone.

But it's a moot point, you don't want to hear bad words don't listen to the teams' radio, don't go in the pits either.:D

And I don't want to hear that it infringes on their rights because if I can't turn the air blue working on a race car, well I can't work.:)
 
SST55 said:
Those radios are relatively low power and have very limited range. FCC would have to be in the parking lot with their snooper truck in order to nab anyone.

But it's a moot point, you don't want to hear bad words don't listen to the teams' radio, don't go in the pits either.:D

And I don't want to hear that it infringes on their rights because if I can't turn the air blue working on a race car, well I can't work.:)
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I believe most people feel the same way that you do.

Let me say this, if you take your daughter to Chuckie Cheese for her birthday and I am at the next table dropping the F bomb non stop would you be alright with me saying "if you don't like it go somewhere else?"
 
Smoke14 said:
I believe most people feel the same way that you do.

Let me say this, if you take your daughter to Chuckie Cheese for her birthday and I am at the next table dropping the F bomb non stop would you be alright with me saying "if you don't like it go somewhere else?"
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get real, chuckie cheese's is a pizza place specializing in children's parties. a race track caters to, well adults. <g> try comparing it to the talk you'd hear from players during a nba or nfl game.
 
Smoke14 said:
The radios that the teams own are licensed by the FCC and the same laws and rules apply that apply to TV and public radio.

The teams own the radio but they do not own or have private frequencies.
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NASCAR teams use the UHF band with mid FRS channels, no license needed and rules applied to public tv and radio stations do not apply.
 
SlowNeasy said:
try comparing it to the talk you'd hear from players during a nba or nfl game.
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I was going to reference this. Sitting close to the court during an NBA game will give you an earfull!

We all know that there will be colorful language used during the heat of competition. If parents don't want their kids to hear that language, don't provide them with scanners.
 
Smoke14 said:
:rolleyes:

Are you serious? The FRS is the "family radio service."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service

The frequencies that the teams use are licensed by the FCC.
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Yep I sure am, one of the main reasons is due to it's limited range. All radio frequencys are set by the FCC what I'm saying is you do not have to have a license to operate on these channels, which is another reason their used.
If you have a scanner check the frequencys and you'll see there all within the 462.000 - 467.000 megahertz range.
 
FlFlash said:
Yep I sure am, one of the main reasons is due to it's limited range. All radio frequencys are set by the FCC what I'm saying is you do not have to have a license to operate on these channels, which is another reason their used.
If you have a scanner check the frequencys and you'll see there all within the 462.000 - 467.000 megahertz range.
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You didn't look at the link I posted, did you? There are 14 FRS channels allocated by the FCC. How does that work for 43 teams?

Oh wait. Let me add this.... I own a service monitor.
 
It's split in with GMRS, I'm commenting from memory I don't have my stuff with me I may be off on the frequencys a bit but I can garuantee FCC licensing is not a requirement for operating on these frequency's.
 
FlFlash said:
It's split in with GMRS, I'm commenting from memory I don't have my stuff with me I may be off on the frequencys a bit but I can garuantee FCC licensing is not a requirement for operating on these frequency's.
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Let me share some thing with you.

If you are transmitting over RF, you are held to FCC rules and regulations. It doesn't matter if you are on a CB, TV or a radio in a race car.....
 
Smoke14 said:
There are 14 FRS channels allocated by the FCC. How does that work for 43 teams?
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2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Scanner Frequencies

Car # Driver Primary Secondary Alt. 1 Alt. 2
00 David Reutimann 463.2125 469.1125
07 469.2375 464.4625 464.2100 469.4600
09
469.3125 460.7375
1 Jamie McMurray 466.6875 457.6000 464.9300 451.3300
2 Brad Keselowski 466.2125 452.6750 451.3375 452.6800
4 Kasey Kahne 452.0875 456.5625
5 Mark Martin 468.2125 467.0375 469.4900
6 David Ragan 460.9500 466.7500 468.5600 463.4000
7 Robby Gordon 469.4500 463.6500 466.3400 461.8500
8 TBA 464.9500 463.7250 453.7300 451.9000
9 Marcos Ambrose 456.8500 452.4500 462.7600 462.5900
11 Denny Hamlin 467.4750 462.4250
13 Casey Mears 464.3750 452.5625
14 Tony Stewart 469.7375 469.1375 464.6375
15 Michael Waltrip 451.4375 451.6375
16 Greg Biffle 468.4500 465.0250 462.0250 461.3500
17 Matt Kenseth 458.4750 462.4500 463.9500 463.7100
18 Kyle Busch 467.4500 462.5000 461.3000 451.3500
19 456.8500 452.4500 452.9800 465.9900
20 Joey Lagano 462.5250 462.4750
21 Trevor Bayne 452.2000 461.7250 452.0125
22 Kurt Bush 468.3875 464.5750 451.8250
24 Jeff Gordon 467.0625 465.8625 468.2125 469.4875
26 465.9750 460.7250
27 Paul Menard 457.7500 462.3750 467.8250
28 466.9500 466.4500
29 Kevin Harvick 469.0125 462.0250
31 Jeff Burton 468.5750 468.6000
32 Terry Labonte 462.2500 467.2500
33 Clint Bowyer 469.6375 462.6000 469.3750 464.5875
34 David Gilliland 467.1125 463.300 466.1500
36 Dave Blanely 461.6625 457.0875
37 Robert Richardson Jr. 463.3125 461.8375
38 Travis Kvapil 467.8500 469.1000
39 Ryan Newman 469.1375 466.5000 469.7375
41 466.1500 458.0000
42 Juan Pablo Montoya 452.7000 466.1000
43 A.J. Allmendinger 462.8578 462.7650 461.6250 462.5875
46 JJ Yeley 462.1750 452.4125
47 Bobby Labonte 457.5375 461.9375
48 Jimmie Johnson 465.8625 451.9875 452.2375 452.2375
51 Landon Cassill
451.4375 451.6375
55 467.4375 452.1125 460.1630
56 Martin Truex Jr. 452.1125 452.8125
57 453.2375 469.1375
60 Todd Bodine 464.5625 466.0875
64 Derrike Cope 460.9250 469.3625
66 Micheal McDowell 461.7625 462.7375
71 Andy Lally 453.6625 453.1625
75 464.4130 464.5500
77 Steve Wallace 464.1375 461.5375
78 Regan Smith 452.2625 466.0250
83 Brian Vickers 458.1125 463.1250 451.6125 451.9750
87 Joe Nemecheck 464.2875 468.8375
88 Dale Earnhadt Jr. 462.0625 466.7875
90 458.1750 459.7750
92 Brian Keselowski 458.275
97 Kevin Conway 457.4125 456.4375
98 468.5250 466.3750
99 Carl Edwards 466.2750 466.8625
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there's more for nascar and the media in full listing.
 
Is this conversation really happening? Come on people, we were ALL kids once. Kids learn all the cuss words at a very early age. And when we're not around they say them to their friends. It's important we teach our kids when it is inappropriate to use those words. It's also a fact of life that they will learn there are times when those words are most appropriate, like when some idiot just wrecked you. We shouldn't pretend those words don't exist just because the FCC or being politically correct says they shouldn't be used.

Let me lighten it up a little. To me Ford is a four-letter word. Do I pretend Ford's don't race because of that? Nope. :D
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I have no problem with the language over the teams' radios. Don't most teams give out a disclaimer over their frequency before the race starts?

If you don't want your little ears burned, don't listen!

Now, TV or public radio is a whole different ball of wax -- they need to watch their language.
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These people shouldn't show up to a short track. The language from some of those folks would make their ears bleed.
 
Smoke14 said:
I believe most people feel the same way that you do.

Let me say this, if you take your daughter to Chuckie Cheese for her birthday and I am at the next table dropping the F bomb non stop would you be alright with me saying "if you don't like it go somewhere else?"
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If you're in a sports bar at 11pm on Friday Night and you're bs'ing with your friends, would you appreciate it if some woman came up to you with her child and demanded silence. I've had this happen before and I wanted to smack the woman.

Anyone who thinks the radios are going to be family friendly, or should be, are idiots. Hence, Ray Dunlap is (and always has been) an idiot.
 
KingGlamis said:
Is this conversation really happening? Come on people, we were ALL kids once. Kids learn all the cuss words at a very early age. And when we're not around they say them to their friends. It's important we teach our kids when it is inappropriate to use those words. It's also a fact of life that they will learn there are times when those words are most appropriate, like when some idiot just wrecked you. We shouldn't pretend those words don't exist just because the FCC or being politically correct says they shouldn't be used.

Let me lighten it up a little. To me Ford is a four-letter word. Do I pretend Ford's don't race because of that? Nope. :D
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Yep.

It amazes me that parents want everybody around them to raise their children and make every aspect of society perfect for their children so they don't have to be, well, parents.
 
People that say it's okay to cuss around kids is a person with no kids.

Actually, I think ticket sales would go up if drivers fought it out face-to-face instead of hitting each other's cars.
 
MRM said:
People that say it's okay to cuss around kids is a person with no kids.

Actually, I think ticket sales would go up if drivers fought it out face-to-face instead of hitting each other's cars.
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Let me see if I have this correct. You can't cuss in front of kids (even though they already know all those words anyway).

But it's perfectly okay for drivers to fight in front of kids? Wow...
 
MRM said:
People that say it's okay to cuss around kids is a person with no kids.
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I don't beleive anyone here or any of the teams/drivers have said that it is okay to cuss around kids?

I do beleive as a parent and grandfather that it's important for parents to keep their children out of situations where they may hear abusive language.
 
MRM said:
People that say it's okay to cuss around kids is a person with no kids.

Actually, I think ticket sales would go up if drivers fought it out face-to-face instead of hitting each other's cars.
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I'm saying the parents do have responsibilities.

Earlier this year, I was in a sports bar (at 11:30pm) in Towson watching the game with my buddies while drinking. Yeah, we were cussing, but who the HELL brings their 4 year-old son in to a sports bar at 11:30pm?

So, this lady comes up to us and demands we quiet down and stop cussing. She also said it was a "family establishment". I said, "Yes, our language is a little coarse and we'll settle down a little bit, but this is not a family establishment."

Parents need to be parents and quit expecting the rest of the world to change so their kids can walk around and do whatever they want.

Yeah, there are things people could do to be more civil, but parents need to exercise more common sense.

If you think the content on FOX is too vulgar, turn the television off and give the child a book.

If you think the video games are too violent, turn the Playstation off and buy the kid a bike.

If you think Facebook is too public for your child to be on, turn the computer off and put the kid in a real life social network. The Boy Scouts of America is a great organization.

If you think the scanner chatter during a NASCAR race is too coarse, turn the thing off and givbe the kid some ear plugs.

If you think people in a sports bar are too rowdy during a basketball game, take the kid to Pizza Hut or Mickey Ds.
 
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