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Another race and another wreck caused by Tony Stewart, damaging someone elses car as well as his own.

Darrell tried to exonerate Tony with the line "Tony slipped up", meaning up into Biffle. Tony obviously has cowed Darrell and the rest of the media with his deserved tirade in recent weeks.

Come on folks, how many races has Tony caused a wreck this year, slipping up or trying to dive through a hole that wasn't there ????

If this were Jeff Gordon or Earnhardt, Jr., this forum would have been filled with outrage after one incident let alone the laundry list compiled by Stewart.

If Tony is trying too hard, that is in one way commendable, but it is also leaving a string of twisted race cars in his wake. There have been too many incidents this year for this to be an anomoly and whatever the reason, Tony needs to get his act together. He can only appologize to the same driver once then the "I'm sorry" line gets old.

Did you notice even Harvick backed off and lost a spot rather than cause a wreck.
 
I think these comments by the drivers back up the pictures I saw on the TV.

"It looked like he just got loose up under me," Biffle said. "I'd have to look at the tape but I'm pretty sure I was clear up in the center of the racetrack and I don't know how much of the racetrack he needed."


"My car was fine for a number of laps before that, in that end of the racetrack," Stewart said. "When I went in there under Greg, I just got loose and got into him."

Biffle knew only too well the aerodynamic dependencies and deficiencies of Nextel Cup cars on this day and at this track.

"These cars are real aero-sensitive," Biffle said. "I got a little high coming off of (Turn) 2 and he got a run on me. I saw him pushing up toward my door a little bit and I had just went back to the gas, so I was driving off (the corner).

"Obviously he got loose and came back and got me in the quarter panel. I'm sure he didn't mean to do it -- I'll have to talk to him."
 
Granted Eagle1, the tape did show, and both Biffle and Stewart agree on the cause, but this is not an isolated incident.

Finding a reason for the wreck at Michigan is fine, but there are too many other incidents since the first of the year.

The reasons cannot be attributed to getting loose each week as that dimishes Stewart's history as a first rate driver and basically says he can't or won't drive accordingly when his car gets loose, tight or has some other problem.

The end result, no matter what the discussion, indicates something is wrong and Tony Stewart IS the one common denominator in an over abundance of wrecks this season.

My uneducated guess is he tries to get too much out of a bad handling car usually at the expense of others.
 
I think we are trying to bring something back from the dead here. Are we gonna have to bring this up everytime he gets in to somebody?
 
Originally posted by 66mustang@Jun 21 2004, 06:33 PM
I think we are trying to bring something back from the dead here. Are we gonna have to bring this up everytime he gets in to somebody?
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It would be brought back from the dead if it hadn't happened in a few weeks.

It is still a timely topic as the incidents involving one driver have continued with regularity. As a matter of fact, the most recent was yesterday.

From your comment, are we to assume it is okay for Tony to be involved one way or the other in a wreck and accept it as either a "dead" topic or think this is the norm for the series. Not so. Look and try to find a logical reason.

Why do you think this happens ???? Witch craft?? A mysterious spell ?? Voo doo ??? Trying too hard ?? Definitely not coincidence.
 
Tony is one of my favorites so yes I do defend him if I think the incident warrents it. However, I have been one of the first to admit he did something boneheaded too when those incidents occured.

Ok, if that's the basis for having this discussion then I think we need to look at everyone and discuss all the drivers that have been involved in multipule incidents.

In MY Opinion, the only reason people keep bringing it up is;
#1 they don't particularly like him.
#2 He has done some boneheaded things and was clearly at fault a few times. So now everything is an issue with them.

I like Tony and I will defend him passionatly if I'm involved in the conversation. I happen to also like you, so not to allow myself to get all riled up and and possibly go off the deep end and say things I'd regret I'll just stay out of this discussion.

:) You and I both argue with the same fierce passion, and as n the past neither really wins. Just creates hard feelings. :cheers:
 
Not being a particular fan of Stewart but also not beign anti-Stewart, I really don't see an issue.

Cars run into each other of the track all the time. It's part of the sport.

I think Tony's incidents have been a combination of all sorts of things this year. Some times he's been too agressive in his driving style and caused wrecks. Other times he's simply lost the aero as was Sunday's case.

I personally don't see a prolonged pattern that really interest me enough to really care about it one way or the other.
 
you know, i would usually think that Tony might have done it on purpose, but I really don't think it was intentional at all. It reminded me somewhat of Robby and Ryan at Pocono. Robby got in a little too low and wiggled, it just happened to take Newman out. THis week, Tony got a little loose and he happened to be next to Griffle and it too them both out. I hadn't really even thought about Tony's driving in awhile, I thought he had been pretty good. I was just impressed that neither one of them were spitting and cussing and spinning each other out.
 
I'm going along with TonyB, Eagle1 and Mustang. I think it's a dead issue. Tony's had a few incidents this season.......for whatever reason..........but that does not make every incident an issue. I do remember a couple of the incidents where Tony was royally raked over the coals. Maybe he was the cause, but I seriously doubt he has intentionally wrecked anyone. And to have DW and Larry Mac call him down on the air like they did has made just about anything involving Tony a potential issue........and that's really not fair. Sunday's wreck was one of those racing things. And it was pretty obvious to me............so, yeah, to me it's a dead issue.

And for the record, although I do like Tony, I'm not a big fan of his. I believe I'm being fair and balanced.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Jun 21 2004, 11:36 AM
From your comment, are we to assume it is okay for Tony to be involved one way or the other in a wreck and accept it as either a "dead" topic or think this is the norm for the series. Not so. Look and try to find a logical reason.
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Maybe you shouldn't assume things then.

I never said it was ok, but it was clearly an accident (they do happen every now and then right?) and people just want another chance to say crap about him.
 
'Fraid I'm with TonyB, DE_w2, Mustang, and Eagle 1.
I am not a Tony fan, but darnit this IS racing. Not the Go Carts.
Aero is such a highly sought after commodity now in the cars that they are almost
like velcro if ya just get em close to each other.
Sunday's incident is just a "racin thing" as stated by BOTH drivers.
I ain't ready to crucify Tony; I don't think it's even called for.

JMHO!!!!!
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its just kind of like when junior or jimmie johnson has a bad day, someone has to make the comment that the rest of the season will be downhill...people just look for things to complain about or something to day to cause controversy and it all works out in the end, if Tony is off course, he'll be reprimanded, if jr starts to suck, he won't maintain the points lead.
 
Originally posted by esorlxaw@Jun 21 2004, 06:12 PM
its just kind of like when junior or jimmie johnson has a bad day, someone has to make the comment that the rest of the season will be downhill...people just look for things to complain about or something to day to cause controversy and it all works out in the end, if Tony is off course, he'll be reprimanded, if jr starts to suck, he won't maintain the points lead.
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Sums it up pretty nicely. :D :cheers:
 
May be a dead issue for some, but apparently not all.

Tigerdirect.com has a new mouse out that enables you to NOT click on every thread you see so if you don't want to discuss the issue, you don't have to.

Whizzer has a good point as far as I'm concerned.
 
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