Complaint Filed With FCC About Jr

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LOS ANGELES -- The Parents Television Council, the nation's most influential advocacy organization protecting children against sex, violence and profanity in entertainment, filed an indecency complaint last Thursday with the Federal Communications Commission against the NBC network for airing Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s expletive after the Sunday, October 3 NASCAR race.

The PTC and its nearly one million members nationwide have asked the FCC to levy a Notice of Apparent Liability against each NBC affiliate that aired the program.

The program that contained the indecent material was broadcast live around 5 p.m. ET and was seen in homes across the country on NBC network affiliates.

"NBC knows that NASCAR has a huge family audience. NBC and its affiliates should be fined for airing the S-word at a time when millions of children were likely to be in the viewing audience," said L. Brent Bozell, president of the PTC.

"After the fact, NBC announced they would be putting all future NASCAR race coverage on a 5-second tape delay. But frankly, NBC should have taken this action long before the Earnhardt incident, especially given NBC's past problems with indecent language during live broadcasts, including Bono's utterance of the F-word during the 2003 Golden Globe awards.

"This is precisely why Congress needs to increase indecency fines. Television networks need to get serious about halting the flow of indecent material over the broadcast airwaves, but that won't happen when the financial penalties can be absorbed as a reasonable cost of doing business.

"We are demanding that the FCC impose the maximum fine allowable under the law against every NBC affiliate that aired this offense. We further demand that the FCC consider license revocation as a real option given the repetitive nature of these offenses," said Bozell.
 
We all knew it was coming. I'll never understand why networks abandoned the 5 second delay for live broadcasts in the first place. Guess Jr is going to get to be as notorious as Janet Jackson! :( But, at least I know it was not a planned deal like Ms Jackson's.
 
I agree that these people are just like PETA. They are doing this just to get into the news, and because they cannot be happy unless they are making other people miseralbe.

but, i wonder if Jrs S-bomb wasnt planned just like Janets little incident. Right after i heard it, it just kinda sounded as if it was almost forced. Of course, i dont know this for sure, but it just kinda sounded that way. You might be asking yourself, "why would he intentionally want to get himself into trouble with nascar for swearing?" Well he probably didnt think he was going to get a 25 point penalty, and was just looking to keep his slightly bad boy image. Almost like a Shaq interview where he drops a S-bomb while talking calmly and totally awar that he is on television.

Personally i curse up a storm all day long in every type of situation. But, when im at work, or around my grandparent, or little children, all of a sudden something clicks on in my head the stops my mouth from cussing. Jr. is in front of cameras every day of his life, and you would think he knows by now when to turn it off. And i dont buy the whole, "he was swearing because he was happy" excuse, because it is always easier to control your language if you are happey, rather than say if someone intentionally took you out on the last lap which cost you the championship.

flame away :dual9mm:
 
I am not surprised at all. Our society has become a bunch of whining pansies who carry the motto, "If I don't like it I'll make sure you can't do it." So what's one more group of hyped up soccer moms raising hell because little Joey heard a dirty word? If we as a society had had some balls twenty years ago when all this "I'm offended" nonsense reared its ugly head and set some people down then before it snowballed into what it is today, this never would have happened. But like so many other things, we took for granted the value of common sense and allowed a vocal minority to be the ones to set the standards we all find ourselves bound to today. Now instead of people thinking for themselves and making their own life decisions like free people do, we let Dr. Dumbass Phil and Oprah and Dan Rather tell us what to think, and like bleating sheep we follow, terrified that to do otherwise might "offend" someone.

So suck it up and live with it, like you did when this group and that group and those causes and these minorites started bitching and you said, "OK. Here, have this in return." You bought it, and now you'll pay for it.



Hope I offended some of you all enough to get off your tails and speak out for some changes. If not, all I can say is, "BAAAA-AAAAAA!"

As to the precise issue at hand, Junior broke a law and has been duly sanctioned. Time to let it rest.
 
You have to be kidding me! This is absolutely insane!!!! Where does the madness stop????
 
Uh, guys---I happen to belong to PETA. So be careful of this broad brush you paint everything with.

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what has this country come to, nothing but a bunch of crybaby, PC, whimps no wonder the US is hated by other countrys nobody likes a crybaby
 
It is absurd, why didn't the networks simply put in the 5 second delay after the superbowl. all this could have been avoided.
 
What a joke................it's time we moved on!
Next up ........... M's-ville!
 

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Originally posted by racer8@Oct 19 2004, 12:33 PM
It is absurd, why didn't the networks simply put in the 5 second delay after the superbowl. all this could have been avoided.
Why sure. The networks should spend all that money, which they will recoup in the form of (gasp! surprise!) MORE commercials, all because O Holy One can't control his potty mouth.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility for one's own conduct? Last time I checked, if I cuss somebody out on the job, I get fired; it is no one else's responsibility. I may or may not agree with the penalty/penalties as applied to He Who Does No Wrong, but to place the blame on the networks who broadcast the races we used to bitch about not being able to see at all because one goober can't edit his own speech is childish thinking at its best.



consulting yellow pages...Hermits...hermits...I know there's a Hermits R Us in here somewhere...
 
So who's the goober? The guy who can't stop swearing or the broadcast station that keeps airing it?
NBC can't control what is said by drivers, but they can control what is heard.
 
Originally posted by Steve007@Oct 19 2004, 01:14 PM
So who's the goober? The guy who can't stop swearing or the broadcast station that keeps airing it?
NBC can't control what is said by drivers, but they can control what is heard.
Precisely. The only ones who can control what is said are those who say it. And when what they say is outside the lines, they get to pay for it. It's a wonderful concept we call personal liability. Works wonders, saves money/commercials for equipment that doesn't have to be bought, and holds people to standards.

Standards. Ideals our society used to value before the age of Blame Somebody Else came about.

Possum out.
 
In a perfect world it would end here. Jr paid the price and no one else would swear again. Personal liability intact. Unfortuately it doesn't always work out that way. They were warned, Sauter's cuss got on live tv and he paid the price. Hornaday, same thing. Jr's cuss got on live tv and he paid the price. See the trend?
The cussing still gets over the air.
Put a bleep button in the booth six months ago, your kids miss two curse words.
 
But, Helton has said that even with the delay that does not absolve the driver's from controlling their language and that they will still be penalized. This is just so the stations will not be fined by the FCC. It changes nothing, NOTHING, of the driver's personal responsibility to control their language...

So now even tho you won't hear the words your driver will still pay the price... :lol:
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Oct 19 2004, 02:26 PM
But, Helton has said that even with the delay that does not absolve the driver's from controlling their language and that they will still be penalized. This is just so the stations will not be fined by the FCC. It changes nothing, NOTHING, of the driver's personal responsibility to control their language...

So now even tho you won't hear the words your driver will still pay the price... :lol:
Nothing new about that, Mike Wallace paid the price last year (which I thought was wrong) because the camara zoomed in on him and you could read his lips. He was out on the track, just got wrecked and was holloring at the guy that wrecked him with no way of knowing the camara's were zooming in .

I'm mixed emotions over all this, because I do believe if you speak into a live mic and cuss, you are responsible. The precident had been set by similar penalties in the past. The guys are told week after week to watch their mouths. The S___ word is not something that has just been added to the list of words FCC says you can't say, it has been on the list since I was a kid. (LOL almost since the beginning of time)
On the other hand the Networks need to accept their share of responsibility. Zooming in on Mike Wallace and making a decision to show it as something that just happened a few minutes ago knowing you could read his lips was THEIR decision and THEY ( the networks) should've been fined for it. Just as I believe a few months ago when Jeff"s airplane had to make an emergency landing and a local report kept trying to get an interview and Jeff kept refusing an fially Jeff cussed the guy out. That Reporter, station and all stations that rebroadcast it should have been hit with a hefty fine. Why? Because there was no interview, and all involved made a decision to broadcast it just to humiliate someone who didn't want to talk to them.

Back to issue at hand, the end of August John Darby stated in an interview to NASCAR Scene that "Penalties won't be altered for the Chase." The same penalty will be issued after the Chase begins as was for the same violations before the Chase began.
 
As it should be!!!

I don't like smart ashes, and I really dislike a perpetual "potty-mouth" as well!!!!!

I have a boss that cannot speak a complete sentance without dropping hte "F" bomb at least 3 times. Sooooo, we have started a Boss Potty-mouth can, and he gets to put in .50 cents everytime he utters a potty word. Us folks that are trying to retrain this garbage mouth will go to lunch one day, on him!!!!! LOL

BTW, he is improving.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum+Oct 19 2004, 08:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (EatMorePossum @ Oct 19 2004, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-racer8@Oct 19 2004, 12:33 PM
It is absurd, why didn't the networks simply put in the 5 second delay after the superbowl. all this could have been avoided.
Why sure. The networks should spend all that money, which they will recoup in the form of (gasp! surprise!) MORE commercials, all because O Holy One can't control his potty mouth.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility for one's own conduct? Last time I checked, if I cuss somebody out on the job, I get fired; it is no one else's responsibility. I may or may not agree with the penalty/penalties as applied to He Who Does No Wrong, but to place the blame on the networks who broadcast the races we used to bitch about not being able to see at all because one goober can't edit his own speech is childish thinking at its best.



consulting yellow pages...Hermits...hermits...I know there's a Hermits R Us in here somewhere... [/b][/quote]
So sorry for my opinion and childish thinking. next time I'll check with a true authority such as yourself before saying anything.
 
Originally posted by racer8@Oct 19 2004, 08:00 PM
So sorry for my opinion and childish thinking. next time I'll check with a true authority such as yourself before saying anything.
Classic.........absolutely classic!!! :cheers: :cheers: :XXROFL:
 
If I'm not really confused (but that does happen sometimes :) )I think a 5 second delay will take care of "lip reading" too. I'm sure that five seconds gives the networks the option of "bleeping" the video too! It's up them, of course........and NASCAR too.

I have a real question that will probably sound flippant: Should something like Mike Wallace's slip while exercising his God given right to be upset while yelling at the culprit who wrecked him while he's still on the track and not talking to any interviewer and the network does not "bleep" the lips, should NASCAR fine or penalize the driver or the network? And, along those lines, how about that friendly one finger salute the drivers sometimes give each other?

Seems y'all guys are all calling for a deeply sanitized NASCAR............and many who are calling for that are the same ones who scream that NASCAR is getting way too PC!!

Just some thoughts that pop in my mind occasionally!! :D
 
I'm sure these people have better things to worry about than this. Don't they? :huh:
 
;) I have always thought that if you don't know what the word means then the person cussing has been of no use. Then again if you DO KNOW what the word means, you have heard cussing before! So either way a little cussing is not getting your cherry! So what the phuck difference should it make? The words were in english and we should all know them and what they mean. Anyone that was truly offended can go back to a church channel and is not needed around the track anyway. Again truly offended!
Betsy ;)
 
Originally posted by Betsy@Oct 20 2004, 10:08 AM
;) I have always thought that if you don't know what the word means then the person cussing has been of no use. Then again if you DO KNOW what the word means, you have heard cussing before! So either way a little cussing is not getting your cherry! So what the phuck difference should it make? The words were in english and we should all know them and what they mean. Anyone that was truly offended can go back to a church channel and is not needed around the track anyway. Again truly offended!
Betsy ;)
So according to DE_W because some of us see the fairness to the penalty and understand that as far as the "word" goes it is not a newly added word to the forbiden list for FCC. SO.... We want to "Over sanitize the sport". ?
The same people yelling about to many rule changes now are yelling NASCAR should change this rule?
Plain and simple... a few did protest for the other drivers that suffered these same penalties at the time they were given, but very few. But all of a sudden it is of major consequence, and requires immediate change because because it was Lil E.

And then we get the above post, that's totally in faver of polluting the the sport with vulgarness and if one diagrees they should just watch the church channels and stay away from the racing?
You leave me speechless, I'd have to really degrade myself to speak in terms a person like this might understand so I'll just walk away shaking my head and simply sugest maybe you should spend a little time on the church channels
 
The Wallace incident shouldn't have happened, IMO. The others should. This is not a new rule. It has been on the books for many, many years. David Poole wrote an article on how Dale Sr. could cuss up a storm, but he never did in VL. Nor have many others. Most of the incidents have been on the track, garage area, etc. The fact that we have quite a few people who can not see the difference between foul language during a time when you should be happy and when you've been in an altercation and are willing to forgive the former while not the latter is mind boggling. So you come home to a surprise party and you immediately start cursing in joy??? I would have to question your intelligence, sanity or something. But, if something bad happens and you are already in the habit of cussing, which believe it or not, not everyone is, then you shouldn't cuss. I'm totally lost on your thinking. And, to say I should change because 1 (one) person has a problem is ridiculous. Helton needs to stick to his guns and penalize them (whoever them is) each and every time. Points and money. Regardless of whether or not it went out over the airwaves. That is not the issue. The issue is if a driver cusses in the woods is Helton there to hear it?
 
Did Mark Martin get fined and lose points this week? When he was on pit road repairing his car the sound on the tv went out for about 2 seconds. Was someone's hand on the beeper? I would bet one of the crew said something he shouldn't.
Did anyone else notice this?
 
It was mentioned in the race thread, but you never heard anything offical about it...does make you wonder a little, huh?
 
Originally posted by Eagle1@Oct 20 2004, 09:29 AM
So according to DE_W because some of us see the fairness to the penalty and understand that as far as the "word" goes it is not a newly added word to the forbiden list for FCC. SO.... We want to "Over sanitize the sport". ?
Not at all.........just don't be surprised when it happens. Remember all the screaming about Fords (or Chevys or Pontiacs) having an unfair advantage on the track due to body design? We got aero parity because of that! Seems no one likes it now. Pretty simple..........careful what you wish for.

Fine 'em, take points if the infraction worked to give some unfair advantage during the race.........that's warranted. But if it does not involve any "cheating" then leave to points alone. A heavier fine, probation and even suspension if fines and probation don't take care of the problem. But taking points for a language infraction is the wrong punishment!! That's all I'm saying. It's a reasonable stance and, in my opinion, makes more sense than what is happening now. Pretty soon they'll be taking points for stuff like what Tony did to DW and Larry Mac earlier this year. It's just the wrong punishment.
 
So, DEW-2, is what you are saying, that Jr should have been suspended for a race or two instead of having points taken away???????????

I really don't think anyone wants that for Jr or any of the drivers.

What was done had already had the precedent set, established, and was a done deal! Just what IS the problem here?????

ALL the drivers have been constantly warned, and told the consequences of their failure to take heed.

This is NOT ALL NASCAR's deal. The FCC has mandated it. NASCAR is just trying to mind them rules just like we all do. If I steal, I expect to get caught and punished for it.
Break a rule or law, and expect exactly what you get!!!!

I ain't gonna get into this subject NO more!!!!!!! I'm done with it. It's OVER!!!!!
 
Y'all just ain't reading what I write. I said: Fine them........fine them heavily. And then if it don't stop, then fine them again and put them on probation. And then if that don't work, then fine them, put them on further probation and make them sit out a race or two (suspension). And if all else fails, I guess revoking their license might be order. It's a step by step thing........just like what employers do to employees for screwing up at work or causing the company problems. But, leave the points alone for infractions that do not effect the race............pretty simple if you ask me. I am not saying the infractions should be brushed under the table or otherwise ignored........even for Jr. Just don't mess with the points if what is causing the problems doesn't have a damned thing to do with the racing.

Argue on........I'm done too.
 
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