Crew chief Steve Addington leaving?
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FlFlash
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It's just a rumor the 48 team started because their scared of Kurt 
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
Who would wanna work with Kurt?
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carsntunes
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Who would want to work with Addington? Good riddance.
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robbybee
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Addington is probably the only CC who can say that he has had "the pleasure" of working with both Busch Brothers...
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
You did mean to say displeasure, right?
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
IMO, you're both right. Kurt is a great driver, but he's too much of a jackass to his CC and team. Even his owner has gotten bit.
Steve has proven that isn't a top shelf CC during the chase. He never stepped it up with Kyle, and now he hardly ever makes the car better for Kurt. Meanwhile, Kurt see's what Paul Wolfe is doing and probably dreams about getting him as his CC.
If this is true, I have to wonder who Kurt has his eye on this time. A bunch of CC's will be available, but I can't think of anyone better than Addington being on the market. Perhaps Kurt will continue the 'get Kyle's CC' routine and grab Jason Ratcliff, who earned a shot at Cup a long time ago.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
He hardly makes it better with Kurt? They won Dover. And, quite honestly, its impossible to adjust a car when the only feedback your getting from the driver is that "you suck" and "the car sucks" (putting it lightly).
I've already gathered that you're a Kurt Busch fan, because you defend him and blame everyone else for his shortcomings. As for Kyle, Addington got shafted because Kyle Busch had a mental meltdown in 2009. Addington didn't cause Kyle to wreck the car at Daytona, and he didn't cause Kyle to wreck the car, intentionally, at Chicago while running in the top-15.
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I think Kyle would have been better off if Addington was still his CC.
I don't know if a Brad/Paul Wolfe envy is existent. But I could see Kurt being that vain or shallow, he obviously doesn't comprehend the needed chemistry between two individuals.
Kurt is a great driver, he has always impressed me as an A1 wheelman. But only a fictional author could offer Nascar a bigger narcissistic jerk.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Wow Andy, do you ever read before you reply? It's as if you jumped off the john while reading Mad magazine and picked a random reply to respond to. How on Earth did you come up with that?
In one chase, Kyle was knocked out of one race by a loose bolt on a hine joint and a second race by a wrapper left on an air filter. Sloppy, sloppy CC and car chief, but it all comes back to the CC. Last year, Kurt ran real well....until the chase started. Then his cars were crap. Time and again, Kurt has a fast car to start the race and he begs Steve to keep up with the track. Steve RARELY does.
If Steve was on the ball, he wouldn't need Kurt to explain that rubber on the track kills their speed week after week, which is what Kurt had to do WHILE driving the car at Dover.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Agreed. It's good to see Kyle really putting in the effort to change. I'm kind of tired of disliking such a talented driver. Kurt has said more than once that Paul helps Steve with adjustments, and they have switched over to the #2's setup more than once. At the other end, Brads car USUALLY gets better as the race goes on.
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robbybee
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I think that a lot of that is that Brad will adjust to the car, whereas Kurt doesn't.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Kurt didn't run well from June on out last year. In fact, Kurt was the same way every other year he's been at Penske -- one good month and the rest of the season is mediocrity. Kurt's had his best year, since 2004, with Steve Addington atop the box.
Face it, Kurt's having a mental meltdown that's costing him the championship. His meltdown began at Richmond when he let Jenna Fryer get in his head and has continued.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Brad tells the crew what's wrong with his car and what adjustments he needs, or explains in detail what the problem is so his CC can make adjustments, whereas Kurt just mouths off about how his team sucks and his car's a piece of ****. Kyle used to be the same way as Kurt, but he's finding out he can't win championships with that general attitude. Kurt, and his fans, genuinely believe "y'all suck" is productive feedback.
Kurt's had the same problem before with other crew chiefs, and will always have that problem. Addington's a top shelf crew chief who's now been with two drivers who have seriously inflated egos.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
If it works in Brad's car, they try it in Kurt's car -- that's teamwork.
Kurt usually unloads faster than Brad. Difference is, again, Brad provides feedback while Kurt acts like an a**hole.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Kurt and Brads driving styles couldn't be more different, but Pauls setup for Brad works better for Kurt than Steves does? Kurt does indeed give feedback. Listen to him on race buddy and you'll see. It's when Steve loses pace that Kurt gets upset and acts like an ass. Before anyone gets confused again, I'm not justifying his attitude. I'm just stating the facts.
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MoMike
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I think Kurt has his own inner demons to exercise. As for Kyle, I'm not sure he's ever won a chase race, with, or without Addington.
Not sure if the pressure gets to him, or if the other 11 teams turn it up a notch.
Steve will do well at SHR, if he ends up there.
MoMike
Not sure if the pressure gets to him, or if the other 11 teams turn it up a notch.
Steve will do well at SHR, if he ends up there.
MoMike
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
I have heard him give good feedback too, but all the haters want to pick the times where Kurt is an ass..which we know he's not the only one.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
It's pretty amazing to hear Andy say things like that. He makes it sound as if Kurt just drives around and gives no info, then throws a tantrum. People sure can spin reality any way they want.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Steve says no.....
This kind of stuff gets started more often than not because there's something to it. I guess we'll all find out soon enough.
As far as the radio chatter, crew bashing rants by drivers go..... Of course when most of us tend to hear these sound bites they're going to be to the extreme. That's the kind of stuff that they replay. I'm sure that Kurt has to be giving good feedback most of the time or he'd never be able to make the Chase. It's just that when he's pissed, he's really pissed and he goes off on a tirade.
Tuning out: Penske Racing's Kurt Busch wants radio chatter to be private. I wonder why.
Kurt Busch's Richmond rant was inappropriate, crossed the line. Interesting thoughts from Ray Evernham in this article.
Here's some Kurt Busch radio chatter for you listening pleasure. Listen @ your own risk.....
This kind of stuff gets started more often than not because there's something to it. I guess we'll all find out soon enough.
As far as the radio chatter, crew bashing rants by drivers go..... Of course when most of us tend to hear these sound bites they're going to be to the extreme. That's the kind of stuff that they replay. I'm sure that Kurt has to be giving good feedback most of the time or he'd never be able to make the Chase. It's just that when he's pissed, he's really pissed and he goes off on a tirade.
Tuning out: Penske Racing's Kurt Busch wants radio chatter to be private. I wonder why.
Kurt Busch's Richmond rant was inappropriate, crossed the line. Interesting thoughts from Ray Evernham in this article.
Here's some Kurt Busch radio chatter for you listening pleasure. Listen @ your own risk.....
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MOEJOE
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Kurt B has no class. And he is incapable of being humble.
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#17D500winner
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I guess Kurt Busch is only an example.
So, let me ask anyone this: if you were on a "team" would you speak to your teammates or permit yourself to be spoken to in the manner in which some of these drivers speak to their teammates?
I can tell you that I'm not a member of a team professionally as I have people that work for me and can't even comprehend treating any of those people in such a manner.
I have also been an equal member on various recreational, school and voluntary teams and simply would never be a part of such vileness .
I suppose that people put themselves in the situation to be subjected to those things but those who are dishing it out still are what they are.
So, let me ask anyone this: if you were on a "team" would you speak to your teammates or permit yourself to be spoken to in the manner in which some of these drivers speak to their teammates?
I can tell you that I'm not a member of a team professionally as I have people that work for me and can't even comprehend treating any of those people in such a manner.
I have also been an equal member on various recreational, school and voluntary teams and simply would never be a part of such vileness .
I suppose that people put themselves in the situation to be subjected to those things but those who are dishing it out still are what they are.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Sure, it's not just Kurt but he's certainly a glaring example of showing a total lack of respect for his crew. IMO, he's completely out of line. I don't understand how anyone would want to work with the guy. Could you imagine if anyone in the crew treated him in the same manner over the radio. I'd be willing to bet they'd be gone in a heartbeat.
Kurt is not the only one to get really, really mad ---
One of the best I ever heard was Big E discussing the ancestry of each member of the crew at Daytona --- right after he'd hit a tire leaving the pit box. He started with Richard and worked his way right down the team -- thoroughly, and in great detail.
The way I see it, Addington can't give back what he gets over the radio because that could cause a greater disruption. Someone HAS to keep cool, or it could become a real verbal pissing match --- then nobody wins. The driver is on his own little island out on the track --- trying to wrestle a 3400lb beast that doesn't want to do what he wants. He's got to vent, somehow -- and the radio is the only option.
I do hope that they "discuss" things in private and out of earshot.
One of the best I ever heard was Big E discussing the ancestry of each member of the crew at Daytona --- right after he'd hit a tire leaving the pit box. He started with Richard and worked his way right down the team -- thoroughly, and in great detail.
The way I see it, Addington can't give back what he gets over the radio because that could cause a greater disruption. Someone HAS to keep cool, or it could become a real verbal pissing match --- then nobody wins. The driver is on his own little island out on the track --- trying to wrestle a 3400lb beast that doesn't want to do what he wants. He's got to vent, somehow -- and the radio is the only option.
I do hope that they "discuss" things in private and out of earshot.
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FlFlash
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After reading several of these post I can't hardly help thinking that the vast majority of posters have never worked in a male dominated profession or pro sports. Don't be so thin skinned people.
lisa
Kurt Busch fan
http://www.nascar.com/news/111014/kbusch-saddington-denies-leaving-penske/index.html
I do wish Kurt would treat his people with more respect. His temper has been out of control the past few months.
I do wish Kurt would treat his people with more respect. His temper has been out of control the past few months.
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robbybee
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Being a crew chief is like being a closer in baseball. One must have thick skin and a short memory in order to be able to focus on the immediate goal.
I would NOT be a good CC for Kurt Busch cause I would tell him, in front of Dog and Country, just what an azzhole I think he is. And that would probably be the end of my CC career...
I would NOT be a good CC for Kurt Busch cause I would tell him, in front of Dog and Country, just what an azzhole I think he is. And that would probably be the end of my CC career...
I did. Worked in the pits at the dirt track, years ago---after they finally decided that women could come in. Heard a lot --- in one ear, and out the other.
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FlFlash
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To many peple take things to heart and don't realize things are said in the heat of the moment and later on it's laughed about by the people involved. Some of the discussions between my friends an I sound to someone who hasnt been around us that we hate each other but in actuality there's a bond that allows us to talk to each other that way without hurting or offending each other.
I also beleive the media has a tendency to Highlight these episodes for the drama and seldom replay clips in context or unedited. It's also surprising to me they seem to pick out certain individuals and Ignore the same thing from others.
From a mans perspective I enjoy the good natured bantering among freinds and fellow workers sometimes it gets a little over the top butt hell it's all in good fun!
lisa
Kurt Busch fan
I guess no one reads my posts. *sigh*
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FlFlash
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Read it and Agree with you, Kurt's a Jack Ass!