Cup - Owners points question

dpkimmel2001

dpkimmel2001

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We were tossing this question around over the weekend when it came up that in the Nationwide series the owner of the series winning car did not take home the Owners championship in that series. Roush vs. Gibbs.

Is the separation of Owners points vs. Driver points a moot point now with the Chase in the Cup Series?

It seems that the owner of the winning Chase car is always going to win the Owners championship because the Chase has changed the points distribution. Why bother with it in the Cup series any more?

Yeah, I know that this is way out there but think about this scenario for a minute. Say the combination of Michael Waltrip, Mark Martin & Brian Vickers had split up the season into each running twelve weeks in the the car. Now this is really out there but I'm going to use this to prove my point..... Each of these three drivers wins half the races that they run in that #55 car for a total of 18 wins over the duration of the season for the #55. Because none of the three drivers could possibly make the Chase only running a third of the season, the bonus points for making the Chase are lost thus eliminating the car owner from winning the Owners Championship. Below is the final 2012 Owners Standings that clearly shows how unless you are in the Chase you may as well forget the Owners Championship. I know the fans don't really celebrate the accomplishment by the owners but I'd bet they do. Something just doesn't seem right about that to me. :confused:

Yeah, I know..... It's going to be a long off season.

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I just wonder why some teams are listed with different owners. Rob Kauffman "owns" the #15 but Michael Waltrip owns the #56:confused:
 
That's a good question. With the scenario you gave, I'd have to think the 55 would be in the top 12 in owner points, so they would qualify for the chase in owner points and have a shot to win it. If they were outside the top 12 they'd have no chance cause owner and driver standings are reset, difference would be the 55 in owner points qualifies for owners reset/Chase.

Does that make sense?
 
Do the owners get something for their point standing? I'm not aware of any reward. It would seem there is no point for the Chase to affect the owner points since the premiss of the Chase is a playoff style format to generate fan interest and the Chase is based on driver points not owner points. Owner points should reward a full season of participation without bonus points.
 
Stewart Fan said:
I just wonder why some teams are listed with different owners. Rob Kauffman "owns" the #15 but Michael Waltrip owns the #56:confused:
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You can only own one car. The other owners listed are usually spouses and relatives of the team owner or investors or team members.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
You can only own one car. The other owners listed are usually spouses and relatives of the team owner or investors or team members.
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I'm not sure that's the case. Many of these owners are listed on more than one car.

Heck, Childress is listed as owner on all three of his.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Unless it changed after this 2012 season that still appears to be the case. Did you even look at the list I posted or are you just saying that the wrong information is posted? :confused:
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No, I'm saying what I said used to be the case. Sorry for not making that clear.
 
Is there any sense in owner's points any more? The Top 35 rule is being dropped next year.

Or maybe the thing to do is drop driver points. That way the #55 could make it into the Chase.
No, forget I said that. It would lead to the revival of 'road course ringers'.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
You can only own one car. The other owners listed are usually spouses and relatives of the team owner or investors or team members.
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No, you can only own (be entrant) up to TWO cars for owners points MONEY. As far as I can recall Childress is only one who has forfeited the money for a 3rd car by putting his name on all his cars.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Is there any sense in owner's points any more? The Top 35 rule is being dropped next year.

Or maybe the thing to do is drop driver points. That way the #55 could make it into the Chase.
No, forget I said that. It would lead to the revival of 'road course ringers'.
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Yes, it's about the money. There's $millions in the Owner's points fund that the owners don't have to split with driver & crew.
 
Jonesi said:
No, you can only own (be entrant) up to TWO cars for owners points MONEY. As far as I can recall Childress is only one who has forfeited the money for a 3rd car by putting his name on all his cars.
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Do you have a link for that info? I've never heard that before. I can't believe that any owner is going to pass up a monetary payout just to have his/her name attached to a car. o_O
 
Also, in regards to the number of cars that can be owned. It is the same as the number of cars allowed on a team, four. You can only be the owner or part owner in up to four entries.
 
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