Cup RACE thread --- Daytona

Steve is a bit of a nerd (positive/negative) sometimes compared to Darrell Waltrip, Larry McReynolds & Kyle Petty.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm glad the race was allowed to end.

We all know how it would've gone if they threw the caution a second sooner. They'd spend 20 minutes cleaning up the track just to line them up, go into overtime, and the race still end up finishing under caution when 15 more cars get junked on the backstretch.
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I’m not complaining about it. The drivers know how much of a crashfest it’s going to be at the end of the race and that they need to be up front.

I don’t recall Byron being a dominant driver in the SpeedDays Duels or qualifying, but he ran well @ Atlanta II last year.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Do you know how much credibility I give to a crapshoot championship format? I don't even watch the finale most years, LMAO. The only reason I watched this past year was because the Jaguars were on a bye week.
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The Championship 4 should rotate like the Super Bowl or NCAA Final 4. Go to most/all track types as possible weather permitting except restrictor plate packages such as Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta.

Since NASCAR (ISC) seem to be in control, it should rotate among Homestead-Miami, Phoenix, California, maybe the spring Darlington race should move to the Final 4 since it’s ISC.
 
They could change the rules and/or cars at Superspeedway tracks to get rid of bumping and/or locking bumpers.

Also ditch the yellow line rule.

Nick Bromberg is a decent reporter sometimes about NASCAR.
 
racingfan7 said:
The Championship 4 should rotate like the Super Bowl or NCAA Final 4. Go to most/all track types as possible weather permitting except restrictor plate packages such as Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta.

Since NASCAR (ISC) seem to be in control, it should rotate among Homestead-Miami, Phoenix, California, maybe the spring Darlington race should move to the Final 4 since it’s ISC.
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Should go to Southern California, Las Vegas, and Homestead Miami.
 
racingfan7 said:
They could change the rules and/or cars at Superspeedway tracks to get rid of bumping and/or locking bumpers.

Also ditch the yellow line rule.

Nick Bromberg is a decent reporter sometimes about NASCAR.
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They could actually start punishing people for aggressive driving. These guys are in the country’s premiere stock car racing series, not playing bumper cars at an amusement park. It’s time they get held to a higher standard.
 
The Nature Boy said:
They could actually start punishing people for aggressive driving.
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How would 'aggressive' be defined in the rules, and how would the call be made? Is pushing another car aggressive? At what point does a lane change become blocking? Do we expect the drivers to just stay in line behind each other for 500 miles, making no attempt to improve or maintain their positions?

There are plenty of engineering or technical solutions =IF= NASCAR was interested in breaking up the packs. It isn't. It passed on the easiest one when Daytona was recently repaved - reducing the banking so the drivers have to use the brakes.
 
The Nature Boy said:
They could actually start punishing people for aggressive driving. These guys are in the country’s premiere stock car racing series, not playing bumper cars at an amusement park. It’s time they get held to a higher standard.
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Plate racing is boring enough, if you took away aggressive driving it would be even worse. I have no interest in the follow the leader 500.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
How would 'aggressive' be defined in the rules, and how would the call be made? Is pushing another car aggressive? At what point does a lane change become blocking? Do we expect the drivers to just stay in line behind each other for 500 miles, making no attempt to improve or maintain their positions?

There are plenty of engineering or technical solutions =IF= NASCAR was interested in breaking up the packs. It isn't. It passed on the easiest one when Daytona was recently repaved - reducing the banking so the drivers have to use the brakes.
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Need to turn your blinker on if you want to change lanes
 
Folks on the socials are upset Willy B won because he isn’t entertaining enough. I don’t know what would he entertaining enough from this kid when he wins….maybe an Irish Jig, a cartwheel, a Dougie, a Bernie, some dirt off the shoulder I don’t know. I find it entertaining he survived 500 miles of hellacious competition and came out the winner. UFC, Boxing and WWE have characters maybe that would get the ol blood flowing.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Folks on the socials are upset Willy B won because he isn’t entertaining enough. I don’t know what would he entertaining enough from this kid when he wins….maybe an Irish Jig, a cartwheel, a Dougie, a Bernie, some dirt off the shoulder I don’t know. I find it entertaining he survived 500 miles of hellacious competition and came out the winner. UFC, Boxing and WWE have characters maybe that would get the ol blood flowing.
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The social media gods won't allow a guy to excel at what he does while keeping his non-professional life to himself. So far, no one has been kept out of the HOF because he couldn't do a backflip or tweet about his breakfast. If the social media disdain is making Byron cry, he has plenty of winner's paychecks to wipe the tears away.

Me, I mostly don't care what they do before the green flag drops or after the checkers wave.
 
Daytripper said:
Plate racing is boring enough, if you took away aggressive driving it would be even worse. I have no interest in the follow the leader 500.
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Did none of you watch a plate race before the last 8-10 years?

This is a completely bad faith argument.

Charlie Spencer said:
How would 'aggressive' be defined in the rules, and how would the call be made? Is pushing another car aggressive? At what point does a lane change become blocking? Do we expect the drivers to just stay in line behind each other for 500 miles, making no attempt to improve or maintain their positions?

There are plenty of engineering or technical solutions =IF= NASCAR was interested in breaking up the packs. It isn't. It passed on the easiest one when Daytona was recently repaved - reducing the banking so the drivers have to use the brakes.
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The obvious thing is stopping some of the absurd blocks we've started seeing in the last few years. Tony Stewart called it out a few years ago and nothing really happened. Any professional race car driver should have the smarts to know that throwing a block on a line that is rapidly coming is going to result in a big wreck. Make the spotters do their jobs and tell the driver that a lane is coming quick and he needs to hold his line. Plate racing is a chess game, you have to know what line to be in and position yourself to move forward.

Some of you just accept piss poor driving because "it's plate racing." That's just ridiculous. I'm not a fan of giving NASCAR more room to make judgment calls (because they aren't good at it) but they also shouldn't tolerate ****** driving. The fans deserve better. This is an area where NASCAR can step in.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Did none of you watch a plate race before the last 8-10 years?

This is a completely bad faith argument.



The obvious thing is stopping some of the absurd blocks we've started seeing in the last few years. Tony Stewart called it out a few years ago and nothing really happened. Any professional race car driver should have the smarts to know that throwing a block on a line that is rapidly coming is going to result in a big wreck. Make the spotters do their jobs and tell the driver that a lane is coming quick and he needs to hold his line. Plate racing is a chess game, you have to know what line to be in and position yourself to move forward.

Some of you just accept piss poor driving because "it's plate racing." That's just ridiculous. I'm not a fan of giving NASCAR more room to make judgment calls (because they aren't good at it) but they also shouldn't tolerate ****** driving. The fans deserve better. This is an area where NASCAR can step in.
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Nobody is going to make anybody do anything but stay above the yellow line. Boys....have at it.
 
Funny that the people with it all on the line don't have a problem but some people in the recliners do lol.

 
The Nature Boy said:
Did none of you watch a plate race before the last 8-10 years?

This is a completely bad faith argument.



The obvious thing is stopping some of the absurd blocks we've started seeing in the last few years. Tony Stewart called it out a few years ago and nothing really happened. Any professional race car driver should have the smarts to know that throwing a block on a line that is rapidly coming is going to result in a big wreck. Make the spotters do their jobs and tell the driver that a lane is coming quick and he needs to hold his line. Plate racing is a chess game, you have to know what line to be in and position yourself to move forward.

Some of you just accept piss poor driving because "it's plate racing." That's just ridiculous. I'm not a fan of giving NASCAR more room to make judgment calls (because they aren't good at it) but they also shouldn't tolerate ****** driving. The fans deserve better. This is an area where NASCAR can step in.
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They’ve accepted piss poor driving.
 
2 Sweet said:
It used to happen quite a bit. Not advocating for guys to be penalized, but it was fairly common 20+ years ago. Just sayin



Sonoma 1991
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winner I meant was Daytona, sold out in like June of over 100 thousand people? It's not broke, doesn't need fixing or tweaking.
And I wonder why they don't do that anymore...because it was one big cluster puck.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Good luck with that. Moving in front of an advancing line is one of the few ways to improve your position in pack racing.
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There's a world of difference between switching lanes to get into a faster line (which drivers do without incident all the time) and jumping in front of a rapidly approaching line. I would hope that professional race car drivers and their spotters can tell the difference.
 
Gosh, I thought were were back to cars just riding around and don't ever pass. BTW most of the wrecks occur when somebody is getting the hell pushed out of them at 180 MPH. Just think how that would feel in your 180 mile recliner.
 
The Nature Boy said:
There's a world of difference between switching lanes to get into a faster line (which drivers do without incident all the time) and jumping in front of a rapidly approaching line. I would hope that professional race car drivers and their spotters can tell the difference.
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We just have posters that want to smooch smooch to restrictor plate wrecks & accept that this style of wrecking is ok.

Like Tony Stewart said, “it’s not fair to these fans to have half the field destroyed.”
 
racingfan7 said:
We just have posters that want to smooch smooch to restrictor plate wrecks & accept that this style of wrecking is ok.

Like Tony Stewart said, “it’s not fair to these fans to have half the field destroyed.”
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Yeah all 100,000 + at the race turned and went screaming for the parking lot when they wreck.
 
The Nature Boy said:
There's a world of difference between switching lanes to get into a faster line (which drivers do without incident all the time) and jumping in front of a rapidly approaching line. I would hope that professional race car drivers and their spotters can tell the difference.
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So what criteria are we using to judge if its an acceptable move or not? The spotter up on top, sorry the limit to jump in front of a car is 5mph and that guys coming at 6mph? I think the less we force Nascar to make judgement calls the better.
 
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