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dsdjtlts

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Martin Truex was fined $10,000, penalized 25 points and put on probation til Dec 31/05 for flipping the bird---right???? But, here's what I'm curious about...Why was Theresa Earnhardt, car owner, also penalized 25 owner points???? :confused: I disagree with all of the above....
 
yeah that's messed up, but i think NASCAR'S OFFICIALS took away points from the team because she is responsible for his behavior on the track.
 
shadowflames said:
yeah that's messed up, but i think NASCAR'S OFFICIALS took away points from the team because she is responsible for his behavior on the track.
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I see. It still makes no sense...oh well. Glad it's Theresa that is responsible for his actions and not me.....he looks to be quite a handful. ;)
 
honestly, theresa ain't doing nothing at all, or so it seens, she doesn't even go to races..:wink:
 
i think its cause, what if martin loses the championship by 10 points, but then since theresa wasnt fined 25 points she would be win the owners points and the owner of the driver who won the championship would not...
 
Everytime this year and past that a driver has been docked points, so has the car owner. It's a TEAM sport, as I was told a week or so ago on this forum, and the owner is part of the team. It's no different when the driver (like Reed Sorenson) had nothing to do with the infraction the TEAM (crew chief) is being penalized for gets docked points as does the team owner.
 
shadowflames said:
honestly, theresa ain't doing nothing at all, or so it seens, she doesn't even go to races..:wink:
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hahahaha..that's the truth. Seriously though not sure my heart would be in a sport that took the life of a loved one. Guess it's time she turned the reigns over to somebody else.
 
majestyx said:
Everytime this year and past that a driver has been docked points, so has the car owner. It's a TEAM sport, as I was told a week or so ago on this forum, and the owner is part of the team. It's no different when the driver (like Reed Sorenson) had nothing to do with the infraction the TEAM (crew chief) is being penalized for gets docked points as does the team owner.
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I fully understand, but don't agree, with the deduction of points for racing infractions, it makes no sense to deduct owner points for flipping the bird which is clearly the action of an individual and a personal opinion. That section 12-4-A needs to be more clearly defined.How is flipping the bird "actions detrimental to stock car racing?" Nascar needs to quit trying to control the actions/behavior of drivers. I am against deduction of points for anything.
 
I fully understand, but don't agree, with the deduction of points for racing infractions, it makes no sense to deduct owner points for flipping the bird which is clearly the action of an individual and a personal opinion. That section 12-4-A needs to be more clearly defined.How is flipping the bird "actions detrimental to stock car racing?" Nascar needs to quit trying to control the actions/behavior of drivers. I am against deduction of points for anything.
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i agree with taking points away if you are found to have been cheating DURING the race.....i dont agree with taking points away if youve been found cheating before the race starts or for behavior during the race. No other sport takes points off the board once they have been earned...MLB, NFL, and NBA would not take points off the scoreboard if one of their players flipped another player off...sure they might suspend them a game or two...but NA$CAR should not take points away unless the team cheated in order to gain those points.
 
dsdjtlts said:
I am against deduction of points for anything.
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Then you'd be okay with rampent cheating because that is what would happen if all the teams knew they would only be fined monitarily.
 
Taking away points is better than suspending a driver. If a driver doesn't race he loses X number of points. As was stated, sometimes fines don't get their attention. And, the fines are redistributed anyway among the wrong doers. What's a fine of $25,000 when the purse is far more than that. Probation has been proven not to work. Racing is supposed to be a family sport. You don't see many baseball or football players flipping off each other. Broadcast TV could get in trouble for airing some of the things the driver's do.
So how do you get them to stop?
 
Truex was a total tool for flipping him off, anyhow. Just putting on a show for the crowd and cost his team for his immatuity. Clearly, Wallace didn't know he was there, he's not gonna run him into the stands intentionally, people. I'm sure his team told him it was bad communication by a spotter & still Truex made a stupid remark on camera after the fact. I think he needs his ego checked a little...he's run over plenty of drivers this year, himself.
 
I think he needs his ego checked a little...he's run over plenty of drivers this year, himself.
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Truex---DEI---Lil'E---DEI---Mikey---DEI

I think I see a common theme there...
 
and whats the common theme you are seeing?

you mean to tell me you wouldnt be pissed if someone put your car on two wheels..real bone head move on Wallace's part...Truex is trying to win a championship and you have someone make a bonehead move that almost flips your car.
 
I wonder who paid Wallace how much money to take out the point leader?

Naw, that wouldn't happen in a "sport" like NASCAR.

Surely it was just an oversight on the spotter's part, not telling Wallace that there was a car outside him?

BUT then again...
 
This Buds For Me said:
and whats the common theme you are seeing?

you mean to tell me you wouldnt be pissed if someone put your car on two wheels..real bone head move on Wallace's part...Truex is trying to win a championship and you have someone make a bonehead move that almost flips your car.
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Hmmmmm....... coming up off the 2nd corner and drifting to the wall is a bonehead move? In a racers mind that is the preferred move. Allows you to carry your momentum out of the corner and down the back straight away. I am sure you've seen the safety equipment in these cars the essentially gives you tunnel vision with little help from a mirror and A LOT of help from your spotter. But hey, Wallace is the bonehead. :rolleyes:
 
I'm sure there's some Truex fans on here & have the old DEI glasses on, but come on. If you truly believe that Wallace saw him coming & decided to destroy his own car & run Truex up the wall onto his side, more power to ya.As far as running for the championship goes, Martin must not care too much about losing points, he knew he'd be docked for that juvenile move.
 
if he was docked even more points than that he would still win the championship
 
I'm sure there's some Truex fans on here & have the old DEI glasses on, but come on. If you truly believe that Wallace saw him coming & decided to destroy his own car & run Truex up the wall onto his side, more power to ya.As far as running for the championship goes, Martin must not care too much about losing points, he knew he'd be docked for that juvenile move.
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did i ever say wallace did it on purpose NO...i said it was a bone head move...it WAS....you guys love twisting words....truex got caught up in the emotion....ever flipped someone off going down the interstate?
 
This Buds For Me said:
i agree with taking points away if you are found to have been cheating DURING the race.....i dont agree with taking points away if youve been found cheating before the race starts or for behavior during the race. No other sport takes points off the board once they have been earned...MLB, NFL, and NBA would not take points off the scoreboard if one of their players flipped another player off...sure they might suspend them a game or two...but NA$CAR should not take points away unless the team cheated in order to gain those points.
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Seems to me Nascar is in violation of section 12-4-A..their actions are clearly "detrimental".
Another thought....points up til the time of the infraction are points "already" earned...never take away what is already legally earned. Drivers should never be penalized for illegal actions by his crew chief, the crew chief alone should suck that up. And owner points deductions, sure, cause the owner is responsible for the actions of his team...the driver is not. Maybe taking points away from the owner would slow down the "cheating.....???
 
No because the money and prestige is with the drivers points. By the way TBFM the meaning of "Bonehead" is a person lacking intelligence or common sense. Rediculous for anyone to refer to Mike Wallace as a Bonehead. Also if I knew I was going to get fined for flipping off someone on the freeway then I would not be a "Bonehead" and do it anyway.
 
dsdjtlts said:
Seems to me Nascar is in violation of section 12-4-A..their actions are clearly "detrimental".
Another thought....points up til the time of the infraction are points "already" earned...never take away what is already legally earned. Drivers should never be penalized for illegal actions by his crew chief, the crew chief alone should suck that up. And owner points deductions, sure, cause the owner is responsible for the actions of his team...the driver is not. Maybe taking points away from the owner would slow down the "cheating.....???
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What if the driver is involved in the so called cheating?
 
This Buds For Me said:
did i ever say wallace did it on purpose NO...i said it was a bone head move...it WAS....you guys love twisting words....truex got caught up in the emotion....ever flipped someone off going down the interstate?
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Don't want to twist your words there, pal. So...why don't you enlighten me as to what made this a bonehead move since you didn't think it was intentional.Bonehead move on the spotters part, maybe. But, on Wallace's..I don't see it. He didn't know flippy was out there in lala land.
 
Do you follow other sports at all?
When it's a TEAM, everybody gets penalized, as in football. Offside? 5 yards back. Clipping or Face mask? 15 yards. Fighting? ejection.
There is NO ROOM in racing for road rage reactions, no matter who does it.
 
The entire reason I'm not a fan of Truex Jr is because early on last season, he got very aggressive with Mike Wallace for no apparent reason and essentially wrecked him out of the way. Whether Wallace knew he was there or not, it just seems like the chickens are coming home to roost on that boy.
 
Bucky Badger said:
What if the driver is involved in the so called cheating?
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I personally think if drivers cheat...they need to sit out a race--a time out, if you will.
If the penalty is stiff enough--the cheating should stop. If you take the points away from the owner and make the driver sit out one race ...that should do it. Harsh-I know...but might be the only way to level the playing field.
 
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