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TonyB

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I've been trying to find thid info to no avail. Hopefully some of veterans around here know it...

Of course the first cars in NASCAR were purchased of the show room floors. now the cars are customed built rockets.

When did this change occur? When were the cars build completely from scratch?
 
Tony,

As far back as the earliest "stock car" races before the formation of NASCAR, most of the winning cars had been completely torn down, frames rewelded, springs rebuilt, and other parts replaced with "heavy duty" replacement parts. Things like axles, brakes, spindles, etc. were either "police/taxi" or "export" parts.
Engines were torn down and reciprocating assemblies balanced, all internal clearances optimized (blue-printed) and then reassembled.

NASCAR's first races were not for "moonshine cars" as so many folks would have the fans believe. They were for either modified or sportsman cars; the strictly stock class came only in NASCAR's second year. This is when all the hoopla about the whiskey runner's cars came into being and this is the very short period that the race cars might be driven off the street and onto the track with some chance of being competitive.
During the 1950's it became apparent the "strictly stock" parts were not only not adequate, in many cases they were the cause of severe crashes.

During the 1960's, with the advent of uni-body construction by Chrysler (actually Hudson had used this type of construction much earlier, but before the advent of things like rollcages or even rollbars) and higher speeds, teams of necessity started to build a roll cage which reinforced the body structure. By this time the race cars, even those with full frames, were being build from the ground up, either from a stock, off the showroom floor car which was completely disassembled, or from the component parts.

With the demise of full frame, rear wheel drive cars from the General Motors line up in the 1980's, NASCAR allowed teams to use the sheet metal from approved models in the GM line up, mounted on what had become over the years, a purpose built chassis. When Ford discontinued the Thunderbird, the best selling vehicle in their passenger car line up was the Taurus and NASCAR approved that body style to become the replacement. When Damiler - Chrysler wished to re-enter competition once again, NASCAR approved what at the time was the most popular selling vehicle in their Dodge line, the Intrepid.

With all the complaints from the fans about the current race cars not being stock, one would think that it is only in recent years that this situation has come into being, but those cars have not been off the showroom floor stock for quite some number of years. Forty or more at least, probably closer to fifty.

As for the complaints about the cars not looking stock, all being look alike, etc.; I guess no one has taken a very close look at what's running up and down the highway today.

And the complaints about the aerodynamics; this is just about the only area where what is learned on the race track in NASCAR racing can be applied directly to future production models.

NASCAR certainly seems to have been able to produce a pretty good product to sell to not only the fans, but to the big businesses which provide the dollars to drive the show.
 
Thanks boB.

I was aware of most of what you provided.

I understand that cars became to be more and more heavily modified as time passed.

In the early years they basically took a stock car and modified it to various extents. Hek event the cars in 1949 in the "Strickly Stock" division weren't strictly stock as the front right wheels were reinforced with a plate and straps were added to hold the doors, hoods, and trunk lids in place.

But as some point, the cars stopped being purchase as stock cars and were complete blueprint constructions from the ground up. Not a stock car torn apart and reassmebled, byt a complete fabrication from the ground up.

I'd like to pinpoint when that was.
 
Tony,

I believe that it is impossible to point to one specific date, season, or year.
The whole deal sort of just grew over as the seasons passed. One team would come up with something that worked, someone else copied it, pretty soon everyone was doing it.
As early as the 1949 the teams were finding weaknesses in the design and construction of parts and the factories were developing those heavy duty replacements. Rear axle shafts in the Hudsons come to mind; they were notorious for breaking the rear axle shafts letting the wheels come out into the sheetmetal of the fenders, folding under and flipping the cars.
Thicker leafs in leaf springs could stiffen up the suspension. Doubling up the centers the right side wheels along with larger studs and lugnuts from a pickup truck prevented wheels from pulling off over the studs or breaking the centers out of them.
There's hundreds more of these little things which were common over the years, but as I said, I don't believe there was one certain time when cars changed from stock to purpose built.
The transformation was more of an ongoing thing since the earliest days of automobile racing.
 
"Tony,

I believe that it is impossible to point to one specific date, season, or year."

Unless it was the Holman Moody "half chassis" Fairlanes. That was the first really big step away from "sell what you race". All the other stuff was mostly just bolt-on stuff. I used the top a-frame support off a '63 Ford Grand National car on my '64 Galaxie street car. Had to grind off the welds on the bushings so I could change them, safety wires and all, but it fit my a-frame just as good as it did the shortened race car one. In the early days there were some very unsophisticated parts doing some very awesome deeds.
 
Luke,

Even before the Fairlane and Comet, Chrysler products were using the unit body construction as far back as what? 1960 or so?
I remember seeing both Ray Nichols and Petty cars from that era (early 1960's) which used the rollcage with a front hoop supporting the front suspension, nose sheet metal along with the radiator and rear bars extended to a point about even with the rear shackle mounts, to reinforce, and for all practical purposes, become, the chassis of the car.

As I've said, I don't believe there is any one specific point in time when all of the teams stopped using a modified factory frame and sheet metal and went to purpose built components.
It was a gradual change over quite a period of time.
Actually, doesn't NASCAR still require the use of a stock hood, roof and trunk panel?

How about Smokey's little Chevelle? The one that he built with the frame inside the floorpan? Couldn't that possibly be considered a forerunner of the chassis designs of today as well?

I most certainly don't have the experience around those older cars which you do, but the two early builders who impressed me the most with the quality of build were Lee Petty and Smokey.
Most of the rest simply built racecars.
Those two used their race cars to express the art of building racecars.

Thankfully I had the good fortune to have been able to see and appreciate their artworks first hand.
 
Here's one I've either forgotten or never knew. Why have the chassis contiuned to be constructed of mild steel, rather than chrome moly? I know the mild steel is less rigid and may dampen impact, but isn't that idea thrown out the window with the amount of steel used these days?...maybe mig welding is considered quicker/easier tha tig?
 
Henry,

I think you hit the nail pretty square with that one!

Actually, NASCAR did originally require mild steel DOM tubing because TIG equipment was nearly non-existant outside of the aircraft industry and priced well beyond the reach of about all of the race teams of the day. The other alternative with chrome moly is to gas weld it and then heat treat it. And if either the welds or the heat treating are not just about perfect, chrome moly gets pretty brittle.

Mild steel, even welded with the old fashioned buzz box welders, was affordable, easy to work with, just about every farm boy in America had access to one of those old welders and could stick two pieces together and have them stay stuck, and it got the job done.

Most of the time. Too well at other times.
 
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