Danica vs Logano

Is it time for Danica to get aggressive in the Nationwide series?

  • Hell no! Be sliced bread safe and all of your competitors will love you long time.

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No connection, right?

Wrong.

Their path to aggressive driving is much the same. When I say aggressive, I'm not talking about smashing others out of the way like Jerk Sillymueve. I mean aggressive with the car, pushing it to it's absolute limits to get a win. This means a driver has to have a mentality behind the wheel that isn't too afraid of making a mistake and ruining the car.

If we use Ricky Stenhouse or a young Kyle Busch as benchmarks, Logano fell well short early in his career. He rode around safe, and constantly gave Denny, Kyle and other veterans what they wanted. (Joey gave up a win to Denny on the final restart in the spring of 2010 at Martinsville when he had the fastest car, but gave way to Denny when he forced his way in front of him and into the low line. When Joey got clear of traffic, he was catching Denny real fast, but he ran out of laps.)

How often did Logano push his car too far and spin out or slap the wall? Rarely. Where did that safety first attitude get him? One rain win and an unhappy sponsor. Compare his career to Brad, and it's clear that being aggressive is what it takes to win in cup. With his new found aggression, I think Logano could be a huge cup success in the making.

Now Danica. We all know she doesn't have to worry about sponsorship. If GoDaddy went bust tomorrow, she would have her pick of half a dozen sponsors before the next race. I saw some aggressive driving from her at Road America, but she was giving way too much to Papis and some others. She wasn't attacking the corners like she needed to late in the race, and she was driving herself out of her line to give Max a ton of room to keep harassing her while JV caught up.

IMO, when we start seeing Danica spin and slap the wall during practice and qualifying, we'll know she is being aggressive and finding the edge of what she and her car can do. After her performance at RA, she could benefit from a 'who cares' attitude toward what fans will say when she goes too far and bends her car up once in awhile.
 
Danica needs to push back really hard on the track for a few races to let it be known that she means business then settle in with enough aggressiveness to be left alone by the ones trying to get free publicity, for some wrecking her or another headliner is the only way they will ever get on the highlight reels. Re: It's been awhile since JVs ugly mug has been plastered all over the screen.
 
Premature: Good race at RA, but she needs to master the basics, hit her marks etc on the ovals before trying this kind of stuff.


Its more about the car and track, perfect those techniques first, then focus on the competition.
 
Premature: Good race at RA, but she needs to master the basics, hit her marks etc on the ovals before trying this kind of stuff.


Its more about the car and track, perfect those techniques first, then focus on the competition.

I'm with Greg ..premature . Danica needs seat time , finishing races , respect the other drivers and learn .She is still a rookie in my books and she doesn't need to start pushin and shovin . Right now , while she is learning , she is in the top ten and moving up . She isn't annoying her competitors and she isn't tearing up race cars .
 
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ted@economy, post: 524966, member: 5037[/EMAIL]] She isn't annoying her competitors and she isn't tearing up race cars .

I agree. She's as boring as hell to watch. :D
 
Danica needs seat time and needs to play it safe to get experience, but at the same time, she needs to push back a little bit. Seems to me some of these Cup drivers come in to Nationwide and think, because someone's trying to get experience, they can bully their war around them. How many times have we seen Cup drivers in Nationwide or Trucks bully inexperienced drivers and proclaim that the inexperienced drivers shouldn't race them hard because "I'm a Sprint Cup Series driver"?
 
Premature: Good race at RA, but she needs to master the basics, hit her marks etc on the ovals before trying this kind of stuff.


Its more about the car and track, perfect those techniques first, then focus on the competition.

Difference of opinion; she cannot get experience and develop and master a technique with would be- wanna bees always trying to wreck her ass.
Try to show them the "Light" while developing her skills, then go all out.
 
I'm not buying in to this Danica gets disrespected business. I don't see it. As far as Saturday's race, it could've been anybody and JV would've hit them. As far as what Eury was saying, I don't see it. I think if she tries to play rough, it'll slow down her devolopement even more. She had a good run Saturday. Best race I feel she's put together. She needs to do more of that and she'll earn respect.
 
I watch Danica quite a bit on Race Buddy and the guys race Danica much harder than they do others. They pinch her down in the corners and stick their noses under her to try to get her to spin out. There is a tremendous amount of jealousy and resentment directed at her so its really no surprise. But this will all pay off and make her a better racer down the road.
 
Difference of opinion; she cannot get experience and develop and master a technique with would be- wanna bees always trying to wreck her ass.
Try to show them the "Light" while developing her skills, then go all out.


You maybe right and different opinions make the world go around or something like that.....



I don't have a problem with aggressiveness, if she slaps the wall trying to get all the speed possible that's a positive. You have to push limits.



Now here comes the part that many will not agree with or appreciate. I think Danica is still in the full developmental mode on the ovals. She hasn't reached the confidence to run it on the ragged edge yet, and she is conservative. I think most will agree with my conservative assessment, but they will be less than appreciative about my opinion of why (lack of confidence).



I don't think compelling Danica (if was possible) to get aggressive with competitors would help, in fact I think it would translate to a well intentioned disservice. The confidence is something that has to be realized or achieved at an individual pace.



As a wind bagging cybor driving coach, I would have her running the East Series, ARCA, trucks etc on the open NWS dates. Be the big fish in a smaller pond and get that attitude, the thirst, lust, whatever for winning, in short an attitude that expects to win.



While just getting aggressive or combative would only yeild a pretty Steven Wallace. He had the aggression with a skulls deficit, I am glad Danica has not chosen the same path.



She has to get the speed first, the racing on the edge down first, then she can cherry pick some moments to pull a Logano, or rattle a cage like Earnhardt Sr. (But thats a slippery slope, most folks knew Dale crossed the line in that case) .



Getting the speed is the real MOEJOE, that can't be substituted.
 
I watch Danica quite a bit on Race Buddy and the guys race Danica much harder than they do others. They pinch her down in the corners and stick their noses under her to try to get her to spin out. There is a tremendous amount of jealousy and resentment directed at her so its really no surprise. But this will all pay off and make her a better racer down the road.

I have to call BS on that. Even Eury didn't say anything about guys trying to spin her out. Also, could we please end this 'everyone hates the girl' crap? Anyone with 2 good eyes and ears can see that Danica has recieved way more help and support from other drivers than any rookie in NASCAR history.

EVERY rookie gets taken advantage of by veterans on the track. Period. Every rookie goes through the hazing where they get held down on exit by a veteran, or run up the track on entry. They get squeezed to the apron so the veteran can make the pass on the outside, but they better not do it back until they are ready to battle a veteran for racing room. Danica gives that room, and a lot more, to the big names in NW. Some of the less accomplished drivers see this and expect the same favors. See Sam and Danica for a prime example.

When I talk about Danica being more aggressive with the car, I'm talking about pushing it to it's edge. She doesn't do this, and it's part of the reason JV caught her in that turn. Use logic and you'll see what I mean. Papis and JV slam each other, JV goes in the dirt, and Danica can't get away from them? She didn't deserve what JV did, but it sure wasn't a good time to ease it into the turn as wide as she did. If JV had talent racing side by side, he would have dove to the inside and made a clean pass easily.
 
I have to call BS on that. Even Eury didn't say anything about guys trying to spin her out. Also, could we please end this 'everyone hates the girl' crap? Anyone with 2 good eyes and ears can see that Danica has recieved way more help and support from other drivers than any rookie in NASCAR history.

EVERY rookie gets taken advantage of by veterans on the track. Period. Every rookie goes through the hazing where they get held down on exit by a veteran, or run up the track on entry. They get squeezed to the apron so the veteran can make the pass on the outside, but they better not do it back until they are ready to battle a veteran for racing room. Danica gives that room, and a lot more, to the big names in NW. Some of the less accomplished drivers see this and expect the same favors. See Sam and Danica for a prime example.

When I talk about Danica being more aggressive with the car, I'm talking about pushing it to it's edge. She doesn't do this, and it's part of the reason JV caught her in that turn. Use logic and you'll see what I mean. Papis and JV slam each other, JV goes in the dirt, and Danica can't get away from them? She didn't deserve what JV did, but it sure wasn't a good time to ease it into the turn as wide as she did. If JV had talent racing side by side, he would have dove to the inside and made a clean pass easily.

It's hard to say either way. Most of the drivers that I've seen wreck her out or race her the way Matthew described do that to everyone. Villeneuve is a world class prick. Someone mentioned to me about when Buescher took her out -- Buescher's a dick, I've very rarely seen him race clean even in his ARCA days.
 
It's hard to say either way. Most of the drivers that I've seen wreck her out or race her the way Matthew described do that to everyone. Villeneuve is a world class prick. Someone mentioned to me about when Buescher took her out -- Buescher's a dick, I've very rarely seen him race clean even in his ARCA days.

I have a feeling JV felt Danica was holding him up from passing Max, so he punted her. The problem is, he hit her a little too hard and Max got on his right quarter so he couldn't finish the turn.
 
I have a feeling JV felt Danica was holding him up from passing Max, so he punted her. The problem is, he hit her a little too hard and Max got on his right quarter so he couldn't finish the turn.

Nah, that was Villeneuve just being a dick. He was frustrated about McDowell returning an overdue favor and got aggressive. He didn't apply the brakes at all.... that's just how he races in Nationwide.
 
If someone doesn't believe that there isn't jealousy and resentment directed toward Danica and that these guys aren't occasionally trying to make her look bad I'd have to call them out for being either naive or just stupid.
 
The other drivers are no different than the general public , some like Danica , some don't have any strong opinions one way or the other , and some dislike her tremendously . The drivers who dislike her ( or resent her ) are going to make things difficult for her any time the opportunity arises . JV is one of those , he saw an opportunity and took it . And no , it was not an accident .
 
If someone doesn't believe that there isn't jealousy and resentment directed toward Danica and that these guys aren't occasionally trying to make her look bad I'd have to call them out for being either naive or just stupid.

Of course you would, because that's what stupid people do.
 
The other drivers are no different than the general public , some like Danica , some don't have any strong opinions one way or the other , and some dislike her tremendously . The drivers who dislike her ( or resent her ) are going to make things difficult for her any time the opportunity arises . JV is one of those , he saw an opportunity and took it . And no , it was not an accident .

JV has done far, far, far worse to drivers NOT named Danica. To blame JV's retarded choices on some imagined jealousy toward Danica is just silly.
 
If someone doesn't believe that there isn't jealousy and resentment directed toward Danica and that these guys aren't occasionally trying to make her look bad I'd have to call them out for being either naive or just stupid.

Of course you would have to call them something, that's what you do. They race her. No different from anybody else.
 
JV has done far, far, far worse to drivers NOT named Danica. To blame JV's retarded choices on some imagined jealousy toward Danica is just silly.

Thanks for the critique . I agree he has a history of dumb moves , but this particular dumb move was aimed at a female . A female that he feels has no right being on the same racetrack as the male drivers .
As i said , the racers are no different than the general public . There are some that don't feel a woman has any right to race against the guys . Or god forbid possibly beat the guys , as she was doing before being shoved out of the way .
 
I really haven't seen her taken out that often . I thought she was doing a great job of finishing races with the fenders intact . JV is definitely an equal opportunity wrecker , he doesn't seem to care if they are male or female. Back in the day when Mike Wallace was giving Shawna Robinson the fender , that was because she was female . Now that Chrissy is racing , he is learning about gender discrimination.
 
Thanks for the critique . I agree he has a history of dumb moves , but this particular dumb move was aimed at a female . A female that he feels has no right being on the same racetrack as the male drivers .

I'll wait for you to post some proof to back up what you say about how Jac feels about Danica. If you don't have any, I'll just assume you are hating on poor ole' Jacques.
 
I'll wait for you to post some proof to back up what you say about how Jac feels about Danica. If you don't have any, I'll just assume you are hating on poor ole' Jacques.
Kinda funny..... Not everyone on here can even agree as to whether there was even intent yet some are as specific as reading the minds of the competitors. o_O
 
I'll call him and see if he's willing to go on the record . Meanwhile , you'll just have to assume .
 
Of course you would, because that's what stupid people do.

LOL

Says the guy who wants to remove the rear window from Cup cars.

Since you have never been to a race and observed how these guys race Danica, and you've never scanned her competitors and heard the things they say when they race around her and you've never followed her on Race Buddy it's obvious you are very qualified to critique and discredit someone who has.

Now go back to your woman hating corner of the basement and enjoy some Funions.:p
 
I'll call him and see if he's willing to go on the record . Meanwhile , you'll just have to assume .

Croley, be sure to speak French. I know for a fact that JV hates anyone who speaks English even more than he hates woman racers. :p
 
LOL

Says the guy who wants to remove the rear window from Cup cars.

Since you have never been to a race and observed how these guys race Danica, and you've never scanned her competitors and heard the things they say when they race around her and you've never followed her on Race Buddy it's obvious you are very qualified to critique and discredit someone who has.

Now go back to your woman hating corner of the basement and enjoy some Funions.:p

And the guy who has all that fun equiptment, yet failed to hear Danica's CC telling her to attack the corners more at Darlington is an expert? :p
 
Heh Fender , do you mind if I put a pick in for you on Spike's pool. I think there is a quality driver not picked yet who can get you out of 39th place.:D
 
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