DC Solar

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by tclarson, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. tclarson

    tclarson Car Chief



    Hopefully this doesn’t amount to anything but honestly not shocked.
     
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  2. Barbara Charles

    Barbara Charles Team Owner

    Why are you not shocked?
     
  3. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    In the movies the alternative energy guys are usually scumbags.

    That's all I got.
     
  4. tclarson

    tclarson Car Chief

    I don’t know; I might just be ignorant to how big the solar business is getting but he just seemed to be spending a lot of money and not just in NASCAR.
     
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  5. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    It’s like a James Bond movie lmao
     
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  6. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

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  7. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I wonder.................................................... if the law suit has anything to do with the search warrant. Wouldn't surprise me if baseball isn't the culprit. :sarcasm:

    Of course Nascar team owners have been known to break the law, just like CC's are expected to cross the line. It is the way competitive people get ahead. :D
     
  8. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    I Believe Gene Haas's home, or maybe the business was raided in a similar fashion.
     
  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  10. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    I hope this doesn't end up screwing Chastain
     
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  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    The Gov freezes everything but the money in your back pocket usually.
     
  12. wi_racefan

    wi_racefan Crew Chief

    I guess I didn't recall the Haas case, but a quick search and man did he do some shady stuff.
     
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  13. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    It wouldn't surprise me if the allegations go well beyond an old tax dispute. Hoping for the best in this situation, but fearful of charges for investor fraud or something similar. As posted above, a lot of money has been spent.
     
  14. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I hope Chip got his check, but even if he did I think they can freeze CGR from spending it
     
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  15. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

    Not shocking with the amount of money going towards CGR and all sorts of racing and baseball and whatever else. It has defo been suspect but who would we be to question it lol.
     
  16. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

    FBI doesn't get a go ahead for a massive raid over a simple tax dispute. I'm with you
     
  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    If Federal loans are involved they do it all the time
     
  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  19. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    looking more like Taxes

     
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  20. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I try to commit tax evasion everytime I pay my taxes.
     
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  21. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Avoidance, I would hope...
     
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  22. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    This is not ideal. They've put a lot of money into NASCAR and the possibility of having the rug pulled out from beneath CGR this late...ouch.
     
  23. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Tounge planted firmly in my cheek
     
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  24. mack

    mack Team Owner

    My guess is there's a lot going on here. And, ain't none of it good. The IRS resorts to these tactics when all else fails. I'm thinking someone may have thumbed their nose at the feds. Basically took the approach of " I have money, and lawyers, so there." And I'm not certain the FIB raids property for tax disputes. Which leads me to believe this is more criminal in nature. Tax fraud is criminal in nature, but raiding private and business properties tends to make me think this is bad for those involved. And, I could be out in left field also. Time will tell.
     
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  25. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I like to give a man the benefit of doubt when ever FBI and or tax people involved.
    A lot of men have tried to make their career on the backs of some of these cases.
    Enough have failed which makes me doubt their motives.
     
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  26. mack

    mack Team Owner

    Exactly. Us commoners have no idea of what motives are at play, or who the players are. The appearances aren't good, but that's what they are, appearances. Time will tell.
     
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  27. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    As the saying goes “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”
     
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  28. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I worked for an electrical company who got audited. A year later they found a receipt for a golf bag
    marked gift. The book keeper was suppose to make an entree to shareholders account. marked it as advertising. $5000. dollar fine and they spent a million dollars on the audit.
    yep, them peoples work for the tax payers.
     
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  29. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    Wind and Solar are boondoggles at this point in time. Any time the US Government gives incentives to go a certain direction it ends up costing us taxpayers big money over time. Heck, anytime the Government gets into anything it costs us taxpayers a fortune.
    Follow the money folks.
     
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  30. DIDIT

    DIDIT Old School Fan

    I understand what you are saying. There are always bad apples in every bushel. Before retiring I worked closely with the IRS for many years. They have very limited resources when it comes to enforcement in comparison to the amount of tax fraud that occurs in this country. Generally, they will only focus on the most egregious cases. I am not saying the IRS is your best friend, but in cases like this, in my opinion, the taxpayer is more than likely at fault.
    They might also be looking for money laundering.
     
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  31. rd45usa

    rd45usa Team Owner

  32. gone

    gone Team Owner

    One, or even a few, bad apples does not mean the whole industry is no good. The early automobile industry was full of these characters too.
    Agree about government incentives, but the government gives out a lot of incentives to a lot of companies - not just alternate energy companies. The oil industry has enjoyed government incentives for decades and in amounts much higher than alternate energy companies receive. Does that hurt taxpayers? Probably not since gasoline prices could be much higher without those subsidies.
     
  33. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Since the government pays those subsidies to the oil industry with our tax dollars, the total price of gas remains the same either way. I'd prefer to pay it directly in the cost of the gas instead of having the decision made for me. I have some control over the amount of gas I buy; I have no control over the amount of subsidy I pay.
     
  34. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

  35. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    OOOPS.
     
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  36. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    Dang I hate it for Ross. :(

    Hopefully something will work out for him.
     
  37. MRM

    MRM Team Owner

    Hate it for Chastain. Maybe we'll finally see some of the Cup teams get out of the Xfinity series with 2 already gone.
     
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  38. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think JGR dropped a car and so did Penske. I would say they have enough drivers developed for the cup series and will be able to keep the salaries down. With the age of the drivers, we are looking at none needed for the next 10 years.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I haven't seen this posted. Sure looks like tax non payments

    “More recently, on November 6, the IRS released a lien of $2,441,500 that it filed on August 3 against the Carpoffs,” the Phoenix New Times reported. “The state of California also filed a lien against the Carpoffs in August, for about $1 million. As of this writing, that lien had not been released.”
    https://racer.com/2019/01/04/ganassi-team-cuts-xfinity-program-amid-sponsors-issues/
     
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  40. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    It's looking like CGR may not have done their due diligence on this one.
     
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