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Ok, I wasnt going to open this can of worms, but seriously? An empty water bottle? Does anyone else think that is a ridiculous reason for a caution? What will stop drivers from throwing water bottles out to cause their own cautions?
 
Sometimes they pick up water bottles if they are near the debris for which the caution was thrown.

Source: Me seeing it first hand.
 
A water bottle is the only thing that they showed on the screen. That doesn't necessarily indicate what the caution was called for. If you listen to the officials scanner, and you can from the comfort of your couch, most often there are several things being picked up off of the track each time a caution is thrown. Even when there's a wreck in turn #1, other safety workers are on other areas of the track picking up crap.
 
I dunno Im just over debris cautions. I cant remember the last time Ive seen a debris caution that was actually a substantial piece of debris. Its normally a water bottle or a 6" piece of brake ducting or something insignificant
 
Some of the little pieces of, whatever, they were picking up off the track yesterday seemed kinda ridiculous to me. If somebody is that far up the track to begin with, they're gonna end up in the wall.
 
Didn't matter at the end of the day. The dude who was dominant dominated.
 
Nothing is preventing them from doing that.

Pemberton said drivers are allowed to toss plastic water bottles out of the window during the race and that it is a common practice.

"We understand that they do (throw bottles)," Pemberton said. "Normally, they'll wind up falling to the inside of the track or the apron or something like that. Occasionally, we've seen in past years where they throw out a big drink bottle and we can't tell what it is (and it prompts a caution), but that's been awhile. We don't hit anybody (with a penalty) for throwing a plastic water bottle out."

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012...12-kevin-harvick-brad-keselowski-water-bottle
 
Seems especially these last couple weeks that NASCAR gets a case of yellow fever when the stars are in trouble. It was Danica and Dale Jr at Daytona, yesterday Danica and Gordon were the benefactors. I don't see this kind of thing going away anytime soon though.
 
I was watching the safety truck through binoculars. I couldn't see anything being picked up. Not saying there wasn't any debris, but if I can't see it and I'm looking through binoculars than it probably wasn't a dangerous piece (unless its metal).
 
Shoot, sometimes they'll throw a debris caution for a piece of rollbar padding. Used to be Darrell Waltrip's favorite ploy when he needed a caution.
Other times a whole back bumper can be laying on the track, but no caution. They claim "it's out of the groove and not in a dangerous position".

I realize it's a judgment call. But for several years people have been wondering... and accusing NASCAR of using it to manipulate the race.
TV used to try to zoom in on the debris to prove to viewers that it really existed, but they're not doing that so much anymore.
 
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The conveniently planned debri cautions would be more tolerable if nascar had cheerleaders to cut too prior to the commercials.

Note: Not the Mikey and DW type ot cheerleaders, talking about the real genuine sacrad short skirted types.
 
They don't do that anymore, Greg. Under developed females in fire suits is all ya get.

Debris caution free pass recipents yesterday. Lap 113, #43. Lap 154, #66. Lap 178, #3. Lap 250 #38.

Wave arounds are harder to figure unless one is watching some sort of live scoring.
 
NASCAR wants to race on a clean race track. From radiators to wrapping paper - yellow flag will be thrown.
 
The running Joke of Nascar is the debris cautions. The drivers, The teams, the media, and NASCAR officials know that most are of the debris flags are unnecessary. You either accept that it's a part of the sport or you don't.
 
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ChexOrWrex said:
NASCAR wants to race on a clean race track. From radiators to wrapping paper - yellow flag will be thrown.
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NASCAR also likes close bunched up fields, so they will throw debris cautions for exciting finishes! Hey, they just signed a big TV contract.
 
KevinWI said:
NASCAR also likes close bunched up fields, so they will throw debris cautions for exciting finishes! Hey, they just signed a big TV contract.
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It's for safety! They started doing it right when Earnhardt died.

But the biggest one-year increases in debris cautions were from 2003-2004 and 2004-2005. Everyone knows what else came into NASCAR right in the middle of that.

Never mind that the tracks with the most contact (short tracks and road courses) produce the fewest debris cautions.
 
FLRacingFan said:
It's for safety! They started doing it right when Earnhardt died.

But the biggest one-year increases in debris cautions were from 2003-2004 and 2004-2005. Everyone knows what else came into NASCAR right in the middle of that.

Never mind that the tracks with the most contact (short tracks and road courses) produce the fewest debris cautions.
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There was some F1 race where they showed a shot of one corner and there were literally hundreds of thousands of marbles off the racing line and @StandOnIt said something like "Oh, about a thousand debris cautions right there." Made me ROFL.
 
sloggie said:
The running Joke of Nascar is the debris cautions. The drivers, The teams, the media, and NASCAR officials know that most are of the debris flags are unnecessary. You either accept that it's a part of the sport or you don't.
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I haven't accepted it 4 times this year and it's cost me 2 tvs and a window. It's cheaper just to accept it I guess.
 
BenzTech99 said:
Ok, I wasnt going to open this can of worms, but seriously? An empty water bottle? Does anyone else think that is a ridiculous reason for a caution? What will stop drivers from throwing water bottles out to cause their own cautions?
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Roll bar padding is more common.
KevinWI said:
There was some F1 race where they showed a shot of one corner and there were literally hundreds of thousands of marbles off the racing line and @StandOnIt said something like "Oh, about a thousand debris cautions right there." Made me ROFL.
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hell, there was about half a car laying there too. Rubber and car pieces everywhere, It would of took Nascar 30 minutes to clean up that corner. F 1's blasting right thru there. don't even think about a drop of water or a weeper on the track. ewwwww eeek

freakin Nascars are built like tanks when you think about it. they hit that stupid cable wide open, and not one driver had a scratch and very little car damage, and they stop a race for a plastic cup rolling around? marbles never have a chance to hit the track, the blowers get them every caution for the cups. now they won't stop the race for a hot dog wrapper, but a cup? that's different. "Throw it out" debris in turn two.
 
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Ok so here's another question. Nascar says debris cautions are for safety reasons, big and small. Whats more dangerous to the driver's and spectators, a plastic water bottle? Or a car running around the track way off the pace, out for a sunday drive? (Morgan Sheppard)
 
Well Morgan probably threw that water bottle out, hoping the drivers would slip on it like a banana peel in Mario Kart, then he could go on and be the oldest driver to win a cup race at 70 mph. So I'd say probably the water bottle.
 
BenzTech99 said:
Ok so here's another question. Nascar says debris cautions are for safety reasons, big and small. Whats more dangerous to the driver's and spectators, a plastic water bottle? Or a car running around the track way off the pace, out for a sunday drive? (Morgan Sheppard)
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What if you can't identify what that piece of debris is that's moving around on the track as cars run by or it's hit by cars as they circle the track? It['s pretty easy to identify something that is stationary on the track or something that is being picked up by a track worker but that may not be the case under race conditions.
 
My point was, both brought out the yellow. But only after the second place car was sent to the garage.
 
BenzTech99 said:
Ok so here's another question. Nascar says debris cautions are for safety reasons, big and small. Whats more dangerous to the driver's and spectators, a plastic water bottle? Or a car running around the track way off the pace, out for a sunday drive? (Morgan Sheppard)
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you can't make sense out of it, it is impossible, don't go there, your head will explode, we have lost too many members going down that road, the psych ward is full of them and they won't let them have the internet in there.
 
BenzTech99 said:
Ok so here's another question. Nascar says debris cautions are for safety reasons, big and small. Whats more dangerous to the driver's and spectators, a plastic water bottle? Or a car running around the track way off the pace, out for a sunday drive? (Morgan Sheppard)
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The safety excuse is BS. If they really cared so much about safety they wouldn't have so many unnecessary cautions since restarts are the most dangerous parts of the race most of the time.
 
There weren't so many phantom debris cautions until Brian France came along. Come to think of it, we didn't have the stupid Chase format until he came along either. I'm seeing a pattern here.
 
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