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Declining auto industry, job losses have racing teams concerned


By Dustin Long
The Virginian-Pilot
© November 8, 2008
AVONDALE, Ariz.

A cloudless blue sky and temperatures in the 70s made for a seemingly perfect Friday at Phoenix International Raceway.

It was, except for inside the NASCAR garage. There, concern is the prevailing wind and it’s blowing harder.

The sport faces as big a challenge as it has in the past couple of decades with a deteriorating economy making layoffs common among teams. Dale Earnhardt Jr., whose Nationwide team recently cut some employees, says an Internet report predicting as many as 750 crew members will lose their jobs after next week’s season finales in Cup, Nationwide and the Truck Series seems accurate.

Adding to the concern is the floundering auto industry. General Motors reported Friday a net loss of $2.5 billion in the three-month period ending Sept. 30. The auto manufacturer stated its cash level will fall significantly below what is needed to operate unless conditions improve. Ford reported Friday a net loss of $129 million in the third quarter of the year and its cash reserves dropped by $7.7 billion from the end of the second quarter to the end of the third quarter.

“It’s dire right now as far as cash flow, and we’re doing everything we can to help make sure what we’re doing is sensible and is moving us in the right direction,” said Pat Suhy, GM Racing NASCAR Group Manager.

Suhy stressed that GM will honor its contracts and long-term commitments with teams.

Tony Stewart returns to the manufacturer as a Chevrolet team owner next season, and he says the economic conditions are making it easier to find talented workers.

“It’s kind of like going to a buffet,” Stewart said. “You have so many people that are getting released from teams. All of a sudden, there is this huge talent pool. Some of these that are being let go are guys that are really high up in organizations.”

Rusty Wallace, who owns two Nationwide teams, says if he can’t find sponsorship to fully fund both teams, he could be forced to lay off half of his 40-person workforce.

“This thing is spiraling out of control financially,” Wallace said of the sport in general. “End of story. ”

Also this week, Hendrick Motorsports released about a dozen employees. Among those is points leader Jimmie Johnson’s spotter, who will stay on through the season. Teammate Jeff Gordon said the changes were normal end-of-the-year cuts that had nothing to do with the economy.

Things aren’t normal for most teams. Only 44 cars arrived at Phoenix, meaning only one, Joe Nemechek, failed to qualify.

The car count is a sign of the struggles teams have. The bigger issue is with the auto manufacturers. One team executive said while the sport survived years ago when manufacturers backed away, the sport wouldn’t do as well this time because teams rely on the money and resources from GM, Ford, Toyota and Dodge.

That money becomes even more critical as it becomes more difficult to find sponsorship. Only about 30 Cup teams are projected to have full sponsorship for next season as of now.

“I’ve heard everybody’s motorsports stuff is under review and under pressure to save money or not spend money,” Suhy said. “I think it’s going to be a sign of the times. It’s going to continue for some time. It’s not just us. It’s the sponsors, too.

“They’re much bigger than we are ... in the overall cash influx into NASCAR. It’s not just the auto manufacturers you have to worry about, it’s all of us.”
 
When I was in Texas last weekend, someone told me that Chevy will not have their big display at Daytona next year.

It's not going to be a good year.

Fortunately, I do have a deal for next year. Just don't know how busy it will be.
 
When I was in Texas last weekend, someone told me that Chevy will not have their big display at Daytona next year.

It's not going to be a good year.

Fortunately, I do have a deal for next year. Just don't know how busy it will be.
you shoulda said something and we texan's woulda said hi.

I think it may help equalize teams if they lose mfgr backing- the small teams dont really have a whole lot of it, they leach off the big teams. The big teams get gobs of it. Although, at the same time, i say if one or the big 3 all pull out, the 1 other who is doing well should at least cut their support partially in the spirit of competition *cough*toyota*cough*
 
Tony Stewart returns to the manufacturer as a Chevrolet team owner next season, and he says the economic conditions are making it easier to find talented workers.

“It’s kind of like going to a buffet,” Stewart said. “You have so many people that are getting released from teams. All of a sudden, there is this huge talent pool. Some of these that are being let go are guys that are really high up in organizations.”
lol - only tony <g> glad he can see the upside. :)

Remember the dire sponsorship predictions when the tobacco companies were forced out of nascar? Nascar needs to be looking elsewhere again for those big sponsorship $$$. Microsoft, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Apple.... It doesn't matter what car manufacturer billboard is on the hood...it's the same damn COT. :eek:

Enough complaining from them and friggin adjust to current situations. Times are tough. Deal with it and prosper or complain, stagnate and die.
 
In the long run, I don't think much will change, the big money teams will continue to win and the low money teams will be like the old independent teams and will be mostly back markers. The difference will be more low money teams.

Racing will continue to be racing and as things go, they cycle now and then. We all have thought that NASCAR has been on the down swing for a few years, and this could be the biggest down fall, meaning that they could lose out on a lot of things, like TV contracts and such. If NASCAR loses it much coveted TV contracts, all else will go with it. I can see the day when only a handful of cars have logs on the side with the rest being bumper stickers of the various parts they use and race only in the south where they are close to their race shops. Maybe someday a driver will hop into a car off the showroom floor and race it to a win. Nah, that would never happen. -_-
 
Although, at the same time, i say if one or the big 3 all pull out, the 1 other who is doing well should at least cut their support partially in the spirit of competition *cough*toyota*cough*

You think that Chevy or Ford would do that?

I honestly think that if it were not for Roush, Ford would get out next year all together.

Since NASCAR likes to control everything, maybe they should look into something along the lines of a salary cap or limit the amount of money a team can spend on R&D. Or like SlowNeasy said earlier, let whoever wants to sponsor come in and sponsor. I say let tobacco back in, let whatever phone company come back in. Or do what Barak Obama **removed by majestyx** wants to do, all the teams pool their money together and spread the wealth so everyone can have an equal amount. That way the drivers that have little or no talent and should not be in the series, can have the same opportunities that JJ, Edwards and Gordon have worked so hard to achieve.

I don't know but something needs to change.:sarcasm:
 
[hands on hips] And you didn't say anything???????? :( [/hands on hips]

Sorry Maj. Would loved to have met again.

But I was doing hospitality among other things and didn't have much free time this year. I didn't do any off site shows other than to help out another coworker with an Allstate deal on Thursday. It has been a crazy year but next year I will be doing a different sponsor. Have to see how that is going to work out as it will be NNS rather than cup. Same employer.

I'm sure I will be through there again and I will give you a shout.
 
Dave Despain brought up an interesting point last night on Wind Tunnel. He asked if the manufacturers still sale cars based off what NASCAR teams do. I would think they sell some, but not like in the old days when Elliott was winning in those Thunderbirds and Earnhardt was winning in those Luminas.
 
Dave Despain brought up an interesting point last night on Wind Tunnel. He asked if the manufacturers still sale cars based off what NASCAR teams do. I would think they sell some, but not like in the old days when Elliott was winning in those Thunderbirds and Earnhardt was winning in those Luminas.

I agree. Plus you never hear of anybody having a sale on Monday after winning on Sunday. Anyone remember that?
 
Dave Despain brought up an interesting point last night on Wind Tunnel. He asked if the manufacturers still sale cars based off what NASCAR teams do. I would think they sell some, but not like in the old days when Elliott was winning in those Thunderbirds and Earnhardt was winning in those Luminas.
Obviously you haven't seen the ricer burners with their stupid wings. :rolleyes:

COT looks a lot like those things.
 
But those are after-market add-ons. And, it's youngsters still watching The Fast and The Furious. Not NASCAR junkies.
I think NASCAR added the wing to appeal to the kids with their ricer-burners.

It's not working, the car's still fugly. :rolleyes:
 
Dave Despain brought up an interesting point last night on Wind Tunnel. He asked if the manufacturers still sale cars based off what NASCAR teams do. I would think they sell some, but not like in the old days when Elliott was winning in those Thunderbirds and Earnhardt was winning in those Luminas.

I had one of those Luminas, now it's a Hyundai Santa Fe.
 
Why don't the executives take some of their hard-earned:sarcasm: money and put it into stock to keep the companies from collapsing?
 
I had one of those Luminas, now it's a Hyundai Santa Fe.
I have a Pontiac G5 :growl:

Just no roads in Maryland with a reasonable speed limit.

Maryland's logic is screwed up - the safer the road, the slower the speed limit. They say it "eliminates congestion" :bsflag: translation: more revenue from speeding tickets when the interstate has a Double Fine variable speed limit set at 35 mph most of the time.
 
Why don't the executives take some of their hard-earned:sarcasm: money and put it into stock to keep the companies from collapsing?

Let these over paid union workers take a pay cut!

Everyone should be willing to give up something if you want your job to survive.

Besides being behind the times in their designs, the auto industry has been held hostage by union demands for decades. Only a matter of time before it all caught up with everyone.
 
Why should the workers take a pay cut. If GM closes they'll just go on welfare like the union backed president elect promised that he would take care of them if they voted for him...
 
God forgive me, but I'm going to agree with Andy on something here. :eek: I do believe that NASCAR has put the wing on the cars to help sell the sport to a much younger generation. They have been trying to capture this audience now for quite a few years. It really began with Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Matt Kenseth moving up to the Cup series. That and Brian France taking over from his father.

Interesting article in the paper today (Winston Salem Journal) talked of this very subject. What to do with the declining interesting in NASCAR. But they seem to think that it's only in the lower series, not Cup. They talk about getting together with sponsors, track owners and the media to find the answer. Funny but they don't seem to want any imput from the fans.
 
Brian also made the point that unlike other sports which have franchises in which the leagues and teams share in the TV revenue Na$car has independant contractors. He was quoted as saying "It's mine, mine, all mine":D
 
Brian still thinlks that everything is ok. He is living in a fantasy world.

I can't beleive that he would make a statement that Nascar would still be ok if the Big 3 automakers left.
 
Its interesting that 11/10/2008 (this past Monday) GM opened a brand new plant just outside St. Petersburg Russia. The plant cost $300,000,000.00. But yet they hold their hand out for money...
 
Let these over paid union workers take a pay cut!

"over paid union workers"? Define that please. :confused:

They're not the reason the companies are folding - piss poor management is the reason. It's the executives' jobs to make sure those companies stay afloat.
 
"over paid union workers"? Define that please. :confused:

They're not the reason the companies are folding - piss poor management is the reason. It's the executives' jobs to make sure those companies stay afloat.

Oh, you mean like these 2007 salaries:
G. R. Wagoner, Jr., CEO $14,415,914
F. A. Henderson, CFO $7,608,011
R. A. Lutz, Global Product Development $6,894,024
G. L. Cowger, Group Vice President $5,092,856
T. G. Stephens, Group Vice President $4,944,167
 
"over paid union workers"? Define that please. :confused:


Getting $70 an hour to assemble automobiles is overpaid in my book!

The excessive union pension plans are also part of it. The unions are just as much at fault as the executives. Greed it greed!
 
Getting $70 an hour to assemble automobiles is overpaid in my book!

The excessive union pension plans are also part of it. The unions are just as much at fault as the executives. Greed it greed!

Please show me where they're making $70/hour - and give me a credible source and not some Michelle Malkin talking points memo. TIA.




Now, I know people who have been laid off from work and weren't part of the unions. They were laid off because their employer decided to move overseas.

I guess that's their fault for not working 20 hours a day for $2/hour. :rolleyes:



You know damn well if there weren't unions, regulation and minimum wage, that'd be EXACTLY what was expected of those employees. Yes, some unions are asinene. In fact, I believe I criticized the Maryland State Teacher's Association for ... expecting everyone else to take a huge paycut and pay higher taxes so the teachers could start off making $100,000/year.
 
Oh, you mean like these 2007 salaries:
G. R. Wagoner, Jr., CEO $14,415,914
F. A. Henderson, CFO $7,608,011
R. A. Lutz, Global Product Development $6,894,024
G. L. Cowger, Group Vice President $5,092,856
T. G. Stephens, Group Vice President $4,944,167

but, but, but, they get paid that much for their expertise. Not everyone can run a Company into the ground.
 
Please show me where they're making $70/hour - and give me a credible source and not some Michelle Malkin talking points memo. TIA.
Andy, as a union member for nearly 30 years, I do believe that I can be a source for that. First off, when someone is hired, everything that the company has to pay for is part of that persons income, whether it's in the form of cash (paycheck) or any other benefit. If you take away any of those benefits, that money goes right back to the company. Start adding in vacation time, paid holidays, health benefits and it all adds up. General Motors has always had one of the very best contracts for workers and it costs a lot of money period. I won't give all the blame on the unions for GM's demise, and yes, management is a big part of it as well. But there are auto plants in the south who aren't unionized and they aren't working for $2 an hour and are on par with the union plants of FM, Ford and Chrysler.
 
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