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the r-f experts say it isn't the equipment so for sure we have to rule that out.

It’s worth noting that she’s not racing for an upper-tier, big-money operation. The Gilliland team, in nearly five seasons, has four Truck Series victories in a combined 235 starts with a wide variety of drivers.
 

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the r-f experts say it isn't the equipment so for sure we have to rule that out.

It’s worth noting that she’s not racing for an upper-tier, big-money operation. The Gilliland team, in nearly five seasons, has four Truck Series victories in a combined 235 starts with a wide variety of drivers.
Preece seems to run pretty well.
 

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Preece seems to run pretty well.

Oh no man, we're supposed to admit that the equipment sucks and that every other driver is out to crash Hailie on purpose because "she's a girl" and "they're scared that if she finishes, she'll win." 🙄

What's funny is that many of Hailie's fans hated Danica, sees Hailie as the anti-Danica, yet they do the exact same stuff Danica apologists did.
 

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Haley just doesn't have a talent to make it in NASCAR, not as a top-tier driver in a top-tier team.

I'm not certain that she has a path to cup, but I think running top 15 in the truck series is her ceiling. She's marketed herself to this point and maybe that will take her beyond the truck series. Maybe she needs to take her career as a race car driver a bit more seriously, or maybe she should drop to another level of racing and develop further

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Oh no man, we're supposed to admit that the equipment sucks and that every other driver is out to crash Hailie on purpose because "she's a girl" and "they're scared that if she finishes, she'll win." 🙄

What's funny is that many of Hailie's fans hated Danica, sees Hailie as the anti-Danica, yet they do the exact same stuff Danica apologists did.

You can pretend that female drivers don't get wrecked because they are females all you want, but I have witnessed it firsthand and and I have actually HEARD a driver on the local level saying "There is no way in hell some F*****G woman going to outrun ME". Twenty minutes later he used that woman up on the track so bad she had to pit with BOTH left side tires flat. The fact that she was the daughter of one of the regular male competitors bought her no favor with some of the guys there.
 

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You can pretend that female drivers don't get wrecked because they are females all you want, but I have witnessed it firsthand and and I have actually HEARD a driver on the local level saying "There is no way in hell some F*****G woman going to outrun ME". Twenty minutes later he used that woman up on the track so bad she had to pit with BOTH left side tires flat. The fact that she was the daughter of one of the regular male competitors bought her no favor with some of the guys there.

Am I pretending that it doesn't happen?

By the way, every race Hailie Deegan has ever won in asphalt racing, she's done so by wrecking someone on purpose. While girls get wrecked out because they're girls, I've seen it happen, Hailie went out of her way to carve out a reputation as someone who "won't take **** from the boys" and "isn't afraid to race rough."

But if she gets wrecked, it absolutely has to be because of "misogyny."

I called Todd Bodine out for driving through her. When Hailie wrecked him, I said he had it coming. I call it as I see it. Most of her wrecks are because she's running in 25th place around squirrels and gets caught up in that mess. The easy way to avoid that is to run in 5th place instead.
 

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You know what's misogynistic?

Lowering expectations for a female driver and setting them up for long-term failure.

Accepting and embracing the notion that female drivers have to be hot first and foremost and the talent level is secondary.

Saying that we all need to embrace Hailie Deegan because of her Instagram following, and using her Instagram followers count as a metric of success instead of on track results.
 

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Am I pretending that it doesn't happen?

By the way, every race Hailie Deegan has ever won in asphalt racing, she's done so by wrecking someone on purpose. While girls get wrecked out because they're girls, I've seen it happen, Hailie went out of her way to carve out a reputation as someone who "won't take **** from the boys" and "isn't afraid to race rough."

But if she gets wrecked, it absolutely has to be because of "misogyny."

I called Todd Bodine out for driving through her. When Hailie wrecked him, I said he had it coming. I call it as I see it. Most of her wrecks are because she's running in 25th place around squirrels and gets caught up in that mess. The easy way to avoid that is to run in 5th place instead.
Danica had the same problem complaining that they keep getting wrecked, but in reality given the equipment she was in she shouldn't even have been back there racing with those guys in the first place.

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As with most things, there are multiple things that can be and I think are true.

1. Deegan is a talented driver
2. She was probably rushed to Trucks too quickly
3. She isn't in the best equipment
4. She is in equipment capable of running much higher
5. She has been taken out of races an awful lot that weren't her problem.
 

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Danica had the same problem complaining that they keep getting wrecked, but in reality given the equipment she was in she shouldn't even have been back there racing with those guys in the first place.

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Danica has whole reels of her wrecking herself with nobody around. No so in this case
 

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What's to rip apart?

Just proof that, contrary to what Hailie's fans are saying, DGR is committed to getting her up front and contending for wins.
I'm sure some of her haters will try to find something. Some have proven they live for that.
 

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As with most things, there are multiple things that can be and I think are true.

1. Deegan is a talented driver
2. She was probably rushed to Trucks too quickly
3. She isn't in the best equipment
4. She is in equipment capable of running much higher
5. She has been taken out of races an awful lot that weren't her problem.

Personally, I think Hailie Deegan would be better off trying Dirt Late Models out or going back to off road racing. There's nothing wrong with that. With her looks and her marketing abilities, she could still bring in the endorsements and money and potentially even grow whatever discipline she's in.

She just might not be cut out for NASCAR racing. It's not just that she hasn't performed to expectations, it's that she seems to be regressing.
 

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SRX is a circus act. JMO, of course.

On a more positive note, Jerry Baxter is a very capable guy who has had success with a pretty wide variety of driver types. This change can only help her.
 

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Am I pretending that it doesn't happen?

By the way, every race Hailie Deegan has ever won in asphalt racing, she's done so by wrecking someone on purpose. While girls get wrecked out because they're girls, I've seen it happen, Hailie went out of her way to carve out a reputation as someone who "won't take **** from the boys" and "isn't afraid to race rough."

But if she gets wrecked, it absolutely has to be because of "misogyny."

I called Todd Bodine out for driving through her. When Hailie wrecked him, I said he had it coming. I call it as I see it. Most of her wrecks are because she's running in 25th place around squirrels and gets caught up in that mess. The easy way to avoid that is to run in 5th place instead.
The one thing I would say to that is that by design or circumstances, she has left behind that rough and tumble reputation she got in Late Models, and it has gotten her nowhere. She has driven with amazing restraint in the Truck Series and doesn’t seem to get ANY respect for it on the track. I agree that a lot of the wrecks aren’t just because she is a female, but she IS racing around a lot of useless idiots that don’t have any respect for ANYONE, especially her. If somebody wants to make the case that she doesn’t belong in Trucks, well fine, but then lets also admit that at LEAST a third of the field deserves to be there even less than she does.
 

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The one thing I would say to that is that by design or circumstances, she has left behind that rough and tumble reputation she got in Late Models, and it has gotten her nowhere. She has driven with amazing restraint in the Truck Series and doesn’t seem to get ANY respect for it on the track. I agree that a lot of the wrecks aren’t just because she is a female, but she IS racing around a lot of useless idiots that don’t have any respect for ANYONE, especially her. If somebody wants to make the case that she doesn’t belong in Trucks, well fine, but then lets also admit that at LEAST a third of the field deserves to be there even less than she does.

Given that many of those squirrels around her are in inferior equipment, that's the worrying part of her being back there. A lot of those guys don't have trucks capable of finishing in the top-10 or contending for wins regardless of their talent level. But she does.

She wasn't any better than drivers of that caliber in Pro Late Models either.
 

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Given that many of those squirrels around her are in inferior equipment, that's the worrying part of her being back there. A lot of those guys don't have trucks capable of finishing in the top-10 or contending for wins regardless of their talent level. But she does.

She wasn't any better than drivers of that caliber in Pro Late Models either.
I don't disagree with you, I was concerned about her results against the EXTREMELY weak ARCA fields, BUT, sometimes I think you become a product of the group you hang out with. That's one reason I DO want to see her in an Xfinity car and see if she can up her game hanging out with a better crowd.
 

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I don't disagree with you, I was concerned about her results against the EXTREMELY weak ARCA fields, BUT, sometimes I think you become a product of the group you hang out with. That's one reason I DO want to see her in an Xfinity car and see if she can up her game hanging out with a better crowd.
This is what I mean about low expectations and low bars.

If she was a man, we’d be saying she hasn’t proven she’s good enough to move up and complaining about the system that allows ride buying or whatever. But in Hailie’s case, it’s that she needs to move up because it’s literally everyone else’s fault she hasn’t won yet.
 

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I don't disagree with you, I was concerned about her results against the EXTREMELY weak ARCA fields, BUT, sometimes I think you become a product of the group you hang out with. That's one reason I DO want to see her in an Xfinity car and see if she can up her game hanging out with a better crowd.
Yep I think you have it. She hung out with the wrong crowd
 

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This is what I mean about low expectations and low bars.

If she was a man, we’d be saying she hasn’t proven she’s good enough to move up and complaining about the system that allows ride buying or whatever. But in Hailie’s case, it’s that she needs to move up because it’s literally everyone else’s fault she hasn’t won yet.
Just to be clear, I'm not necessarily advocating for her to get a full time Xfinity ride, just a few starts, if nothing else to see if the cars might better suit her driving style. (think Jimmie Johnson) Whether you agree with the decision or not, a lot of effort (and money) has been expended on her career so far and they might as well find out for SURE that there is nothing there to work with. At least she is not a menace on the track like like about half of her fellow truck racers. At IRP, she was in the middle of a hornet's nest all night with a poor handling truck, and I didn't really see a scratch on her truck after the race. That may not count for a LOT, but I think it should count for SOMETHING.
 
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