Design you own dream stock car series.

FenderBumper

FenderBumper

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I'm sitting here watching the full 4 hour version of Casino. Since I have time on my hands, :D, I thought we could talk about changes we would like with offending the nascar stalwarts. So, design your own series from top to bottom. Keep your wish list to on reply by editing any changes you decide as we go along.
 
sloggie said:
I'll start. No qualifying. Instead, 3 heat races and a Last change race determine who makes the 100 lap final
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20 races, season finished by Labor Day, with a mandate that the schedule must include 3 road courses, 10 short tracks and 2 dirt tracks.
 
I like the old school, full contact racing and drivers with attitude. The series would have 30 races per championship season, with an extra 4 non-championship races.

No chase. Whoever scores the most points wins. I'm not going to get into a whole new point system, so we just go back to the old one that rewarded good finishes and allowed drivers a better chance to recover from bad outings. Once the championship is decided, everyones points are set to zero, and the remaining races are run under a free for all format, with the winner getting half the purse. Bring your old cars, and settle some scores while going for the win.

All 30 of these races count toward a drivers career totals.

The other 4 races will be spread throughout the championship season. Exhibition races staged at new tracks in new markets, and could involve playing out car and rule changes.

Stop sanctioning drivers for what they say, even to the media. They are all adults, so let the teams and sponsors handle it.

No more splitter or spoiler. Having aero so important to your speed means you have to avoid contact, or even rubbing. Fix the side pipe tire shredder, and let them rub and bang for the win. Move to a smaller engine, and lose the restrictor plate. Slow the cars down, and use a softer tire. Also, go to a wider rear tire.

Limit the momentum racing by altering many of the 1.5 mile cookie cutters. Force them to brake hard and muscle the damn car around the track.

Go to a digital template, with quick laser measurements for inspection. A rolling assembly could measure any car in 60 seconds to be sure it's within the digital templates provided to every team. This one template fits all has killed the charm of the sport where you could watch YOUR car race on Sunday.

Street car bodies. With digital templates, each manufacturer could bring multiple models whose sections are center-line adjusted to fit the safety frame. nascar used to make fine adjustments to cars that had a big aero advantage. Go back to that formula.

I know it's crazy, but I want stock looking cars being DRIVEN hard each week. Where are the days when a torn up car could still compete? I don't want to watch gentleman racing, I want competition with attitude.

Forgot the master plan. Once new markets have been developed, start a Cup series west. East and West would race the season on tracks in their markets. At the end of the regular season, after East and West champions have been crowned, the top 10 teams from each series would have a 2 race shootout at 1 East track and 1 West track.
 
klemmabyna said:
no provisionals. period. you don't make the show, you buy your seat from someone who did.
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Joe Nemechek would be worth ten times more than what he is now doing a start and park.

I am pretty happy with the racing as it is now but I would not count laps run under yellow.
 
I'd franchise the series and allow an owner to only own and control two cars. No satellite teams. The numbering system would be 1 through 43 and all the teams would be spread around the country to help give every team a big fan base. 20 races a year sounds good and I like the 4 non-points races. The point system would be simple, only the top ten receive points, two points per position. No bonus points. And all cars have to be exact duplicates of what comes off the assembly line, including rear wheel drive. Toyota, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge as well as any other manufacturer must field cars that have rear wheel drive street cars. There was a time when NASCAR required a change in the design must have a minimum number of cars sold on the market with the new design. (Sloped rear window on the older Monte Carlos. That's just a start.
 
buckaroo said:
I'd franchise the series and allow an owner to only own and control two cars. No satellite teams. The numbering system would be 1 through 43 and all the teams would be spread around the country to help give every team a big fan base. 20 races a year sounds good and I like the 4 non-points races. The point system would be simple, only the top ten receive points, two points per position. No bonus points. And all cars have to be exact duplicates of what comes off the assembly line, including rear wheel drive. Toyota, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge as well as any other manufacturer must field cars that have rear wheel drive street cars. There was a time when NASCAR required a change in the design must have a minimum number of cars sold on the market with the new design. (Sloped rear window on the older Monte Carlos. That's just a start.
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Just a few questions from me. How would these franchise licenses be handled and sold? If you spread the teams out over the entire US, who would bear the costs of the added shaker post systems and wind tunnels?

I have more but those two come to mind right away.
 
No qualifying. Pull a pill to determine starting line up. 2 heat races, first one for inside line, second to determine outside lane. Shorter type races with the last 10 laps must be green flag laps. Also double file restarts with the "choose" rule in affect on all restarts.
 
Smoke14 said:
Just a few questions from me. How would these franchise licenses be handled and sold? If you spread the teams out over the entire US, who would bear the costs of the added shaker post systems and wind tunnels?

I have more but those two come to mind right away.
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Good questions. The franchises would be put up for bid. Current owners would be factored in, but there might have to be a lottery as to where to house the teams. High tech gadgets are part of the problems that have steered the sport to where it is today, so no shaker post systems or wind tunnels. However, traction control would be allowed.
 
buckaroo said:
Good questions. The franchises would be put up for bid. Current owners would be factored in, but there might have to be a lottery as to where to house the teams. High tech gadgets are part of the problems that have steered the sport to where it is today, so no shaker post systems or wind tunnels. However, traction control would be allowed.
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OK! Accountability of funds would be a nightmare. If I paid 250 million for a franchise and I had a spending cap, I could find several ways to sweep things under the rug. Because of the lack of "high tech gadgets", smaller teams would not be able to compete against the bigger teams who still used those gadgets.
 
Smoke14 said:
OK! Accountability of funds would be a nightmare. If I paid 250 million for a franchise and I had a spending cap, I could find several ways to sweep things under the rug. Because of the lack of "high tech gadgets", smaller teams would not be able to compete against the bigger teams who still used those gadgets.
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Bigger teams couldn't use those high tech gadgets period.
 
buckaroo said:
Bigger teams couldn't use those high tech gadgets period.
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I just made you the president of NASCAR. How would you police the funds that are spent?

No shaker posts in NASCAR? If I were to spend a quarter of a billion dollars for a franchise I would certainly come up with a way to test.

Honestly, I think franchising the sport would kill it.
 
1. 1 car teams
2. Stock appearing cars.
3. Qualify on speed, no provisionals.
4. No restrictor plates.
5. No aero crapp.
6. Carburetors.
7. 3 dirt track races per season.
8. Cookie cutter tracks are off the schedule.
 
I wouldn't make it too complicated. The current point system I like, I'd keep it. The chase has to go, just not worth all the gimmicky hoopla. The cars need identity back, definetly make them more stock, make them look almost like the cars that roll off the assembly line. They would of course have to have all the safety features. I wouldn't change the tire, to me Good Year has finally come up with a tire that is durable and quite safe. Definetly go with a smaller engine package, no plate, change the aero package no splitter, smaller spoiler,but give the crews more to play around with as far as spoiler angle. Also let them have a height limit on the spoiler, but if they want to run a smaller one let them have something to play around here. Let them tinker with suspenion components more. As far as the season goes I'd say 28 races would be cool, no gimmicky non paying races. Run from Feb 14 - Oct 1 so as not to compete with NFL and NCAA football as much. I'd incorporate a few more road courses, Road Atlanta comes to mind, and maybe a few more short tracks and not just short tracks that can seat over 60,000 fans, maybe alternate short tracks each year so you bring the "big boys" to your local area once in awhile. I think that would generate a lot of interest, and so what if only 15,000 fans can fit, I think it would be a hoot. Bring down ticket prices, make the purses a little smaller to accomodate this if you have to. Probably last thing I would do is have all broadcasts have madatory side by side when they go to commercial.
 
Shorten the races by 20%. Current races are simply too long .
Qualifying trim would be exactly the same as race trim . No more special set-ups and extra tape just for qualifying .
Allow only two door stock bodies with spoilers . The car companies would have to start designing good looking cars again if they wanted to compete in NASCAR .
The championship would consist of all of the races , not just ten . Driver with the most points is the champion .
Bonus points would be awarded at several times during each race , the higher in the order you're running , the more bonus points you receive . No more riding around waiting for the final 20 laps , give the fans the show they paid to see .
No more wave arounds , no more lucky dogs . If you're down a lap , you need to pass the leader to get back on the lead lap .
Invert the field for the start of every race . The field wouldn't be strung out after only a few laps making for follow the leader racing , the fans would get a show watching the fast guys come up through the field , and as Tony Stewart showed Saturday night a driver can come from the back with no damage to his car .
 
This is a good thread FB but The only thing I can think of that hasnt been covered is not really nascar controlled but they could put in the contract with the media about not having people on air that has a contract with a certain sponsor like it is now with 80% having a contract with one car manufacturer. The other thing has been mentioned, yellow flag laps dont count. I really like your plan but need to study it more.
 
And when this is done I'll put these all together to make the series fans clearly want, and prove that fans have no idea.
 
Nascar needs a stretch period about three quarters of the way through the race . Cars would stop on track , drivers would get out of their cars and join the fans in the stands in a sing song . Maybe "Baby You Can Drive My Car " by the Beatles .
 
I like the short and dirt track idea, along with heat races (just to set the lineup) and no champ pos. Getting rid of the top 35 crap would also be nice.
 
If I only had one change that I could make it would be the elimination of the Chase. If my choices were unlimited, I'd turn back time.
 
FenderBumper said:
Is that why you're searching for an exact 'back in the day' date?
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No, I'm just trying to get a feel for when that cutoff day was. I always hear it mentioned but I think it kind of a variable date for all of us. It probably depends on when we all became fans of the sport. To some it may mean just prior to the COT. Others the 90's. Someone like me, the 70's when I first started paying attention to the sport.
 
I wish we could go back to the 70's when it was just racing with attitude, but have the level of competition we have today. I would say the late 80's and early 90's was a good mix for me, but I didn't watch many races until 99.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
No, I'm just trying to get a feel for when that cutoff day was. I always hear it mentioned but I think it kind of a variable date for all of us. It probably depends on when we all became fans of the sport. To some it may mean just prior to the COT. Others the 90's. Someone like me, the 70's when I first started paying attention to the sport.
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All I know is they are getting further and further away.
 
FenderBumper said:
All I know is they are getting further and further away.
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And fast.

There are a bunch of things that I miss about watching and attending the races of years ago. Most of that are the lost personalities in the sport. I do have to say though I have a lot more fun going to races today than I ever had 30 years ago. There is so much more to do at the track then there was a long, long time ago.
 
Most of my friends date the change back to the death of Senior . I go back a little further to the start of the Jeff Gordon era . Nascar became more about sponsors and money than drivers and cars . Fans who were coming into the sport were just about one driver , not about the racing . You could tell a Gordon fan because they couldn't name another driver in the sport . Gradually the commercialization took over . Jimmy Johnson fans ,Kyle Busch fans , Bad Brad fans , now Danica fans and Pastrana fans . Are there really any new race fans ? And sponsors started running the show . Old school drivers weren't very pretty and didn't speak very well in front of the camera . They had to go and younger ,prettier, drivers were mandated by sponsors . Still , racing is racing and ,once the cars are on track , I am glued to the set .
 
Give me the 80s. I was a fan in the 60s and 70s, but living in Oklahoma I didn't exactly have a lot of connections to the sport. But beginning in 1984, I was able to see more and more of the sport and threw my support to Bill Elliott. Those days the cars on the track looked like the cars off the showroom and were different! Also, the drivers were more of a "gear head" than the drivers today. Most of these guys couldn't change a head gasket let alone tear one down and rebuild. But hey, today's engines need engineers to do any of that. And that brings back the idea of technology. What a difference and it isn't going to end any time soon.
 
I would have one provision. Highest driver in points. But if 46 cars showed up then 46 cars would start. Bigger the track the more cars would start.

Heat races, cmain, bmain, feature.

Yellow flags do not count

More short tracks, road courses, add 3 or 4 dirt tracks.

20-32 total point races.

Stock bodies.

Carb or efi

Any fuel

Any tires as long as they fit a size.

No CI limits (bring back the big blocks)

I'd just open it up.
 
buckaroo said:
Give me the 80s. I was a fan in the 60s and 70s, but living in Oklahoma I didn't exactly have a lot of connections to the sport. But beginning in 1984, I was able to see more and more of the sport and threw my support to Bill Elliott. Those days the cars on the track looked like the cars off the showroom and were different! Also, the drivers were more of a "gear head" than the drivers today. Most of these guys couldn't change a head gasket let alone tear one down and rebuild. But hey, today's engines need engineers to do any of that. And that brings back the idea of technology. What a difference and it isn't going to end any time soon.
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SB2 heads are a nightmare to change and. Pain in the ass to take on and off a motor. A buddy has an NASCAR motor and its just a pain. Needs to go back to more simple times
 
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