DirecTv dropping SPEED Nov 1st

Probably gonna play out the same way that it did with the Versus channel. DirecTV will come out with their story about how they are getting screwed then Fox will come out with theres it will go back and forth for 6 months and then it will be back on.
 
basscatcher89 said:
Probably gonna play out the same way that it did with the Versus channel. DirecTV will come out with their story about how they are getting screwed then Fox will come out with theres it will go back and forth for 6 months and then it will be back on.
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FOX is going to have to give in. FX has two shows that get moderate ratings. SPEED is one of the lowest rated networks on television.

FOX "News" Channel is the only FOX cable network that draws sheeple, er, viewers.
 
I had DISH for many years. Last year they went thru the same thing with FOX. I figured it was because Murdoch was trying to make his own DirecTV less expensive by comparison. I was quite surprised when I heard this cause Rupert is going to war against himself here (at least 34% of himself).
 
I've been following this for a while now. DirecTV has been scrolling this on the bottom of the affected channels. In the end the customer is the one that gets screwed on this. If it were simply SPEED alone, I'd probably wait out the channels 'down time' while they work through their negotiations but since this also includes regional sports networks and the NHL season is starting, I'll be exploring other options. I'm not committed to DirecTV in any manner. If Dish will give me what I want, I'll go there. If it's cable, then it'll be cable.

One thing that really bites me on this is.....

DirecTV Executive Vice President Derek Chang said the company was not against rate increases for channels that were worthy of them. However, he said News Corp. was unwilling to seriously discuss selling its networks on an individual basis.

Welcome to my world Derek Chang! Why does DirecTV force me to by it's bundled packages? I think I have 300+ channels. I say I think because I'm not really sure. I only watch about 10 of them. It burns me that I have to pay for channels that I don't watch.

Years ago I had a BUD. That's a Big Ugly Dish for those of you not in the know. It was one of those 10' big ass dish antennas sitting in my front yard. This was way before DirecTV or Dish. I could buy any individual channels that I wanted. There were many programming choices available. Man, I miss those days. Granted, there weren't as many choices as today but that was the way to go.

So..... bottom line..... if DirecTV goes this route, I believe that they will see a mass exodus of sports fans. Not because of SPEED but because of the regional sports networks. I'll be one of them.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Welcome to my world Derek Chang! Why does DirecTV force me to by it's bundled packages? I think I have 300+ channels. I say I think because I'm not really sure. I only watch about 10 of them. It burns me that I have to pay for channels that I don't watch.
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Several years ago COX moved SPEED to their upper tier programing. That forced us into buying the brazillion useless upper tier channels if we wanted to have SPEED.

Unless I cut down my neighbors trees a dish can't get a clear signal. Fios is a option but moved SPEED to their upper level.

So like DP I'm also paying, an outrageous price I might add, for channels I never watch.
 
I think as far as numbers I heard 19.7 million is how many FOX will have to minus from their figures when selling advertising. Not to mention, they will lose their income from DTV.

If this does go through, IM calling DTV and demanding a discount.
 
I wouldn't switch providers just because of SPEED. I only watch the network once a week, if that. SPEED is a second tier network.

Our regional nets are MASN and CSN. So that also would have no impact.

SST, FIOS ain't great.
 
I wonder if Speed will be able to pay for the Truck series without those 20 million DTV viewers? No Qualifying? Gatorade Duals? All-Star race?

NASCAR has to charge for this, yes? Or is it part of the overall deal between FOX and NASCAR.

Because I will tell you one thing. IF, FOX decides to put all the cup races on SPEED, this is going to be the biggest infraction of "actions detremental to stock car racing" we could ever witness. Brian France could get the biggest fine in NASCAR history for letting this happen.

This would suck beyond epic porportions.
 
I hope to see some sort of last minute deal struck, but again, we DirecTV customers will be the ones that pay for this in the long run.

Can anyone out there on Dish Network give me some feedback on their service? DirecTV and Dish seem to be my only options as I want the capability of moving my equipment from one location to another.
 
FOX And DirecTV Battle Set To Affect NASCAR Fans

Some more on this subject.....



It's a scenario cable TV and home satellite dish owners know all too well. A powerful company that provides programming wants more money and the company that must pay to distribute those services says it's a raw deal.

DirecTV has slightly less than 20 million home dish customers in the US. The company is not large, but serves a very distinct market and has been influential in the growth of specialty programming and home satellite services.

The term to remember in this tussle is "bundling." What FOX (and parent company News Corp) wants is a significantly higher fee for providing a group of networks to distribute. DirectTV claims the requested rate hike is almost 40%. FOX called that ridiculous, but will not state a number or percentage.

"We already provide News Corp. nearly a billion dollars a year for their channels and we have no problem continuing to compensate them fairly." DirecTV said in a media release. "The deal being offered is unfair and unwarranted."

The issue is that FOX will not value the company's networks separately. While networks like FX have been on a roll, increasing fees for the likes of SPEED, FUEL and the NatGeo Channel is debatable. There are also Fox Regional Sports Networks in the deal. FOX will not "unbundle" the network package.

New Corp has put in place the keepmynets.com website. The list of all the FOX networks involved in this dispute is featured. The idea is to spin the rate increase as just a fair deal for DirecTV that is in line with the other FOX partners. That is far from the reality.

DirecTV has set November 1 as a date for FOX to get things settled or those network signals will be removed from the home dish service. Needless to say, most consumers are not interested in the broader issues despite the fact that increased costs will be passed along as usual to the end-user. People just want their TV shows.

NASCAR fans have already been emailing with concerns about losing SPEED and that programming at a critical time of the racing season. Featured programming affected would be the Camping World Truck Series, NASCAR shows from the various Sprint Cup Series tracks and the Monday through Thursday RaceHub news and interview program.

One very interesting twist in this equation is the gentleman pictured above. In 2008, at the time of this photo, Chase Carey was the CEO and president of DirecTV. He helped grow the company through strategic partnerships with sports providers. He made his mark and has now moved on.

Today, he is the president of News Corp and leads the bargaining team to the table with detailed knowledge of exactly how DirecTV works and where the company is vulnerable. Imagine having a former CEO as an opponent in a financial dispute.

As usual, it's getting ugly. The keepmynets.com site has lots of anti-DirecTV "news" stories posted and features comments from consumers worried about not seeing different shows or series. DirecTV continues to paint FOX as a money-hungry monster that can't deliver the goods to justify a rate increase of any kind.

All we know is that this weekend things will be fine, but come Tuesday there could be a significant void in the ability of NASCAR to distribute some key programming to a very important segment of the TV marketplace.

We will be updating any news on this topic that happens on the TDP Twitter, Facebook and blog sites. Should this issue press right up to the deadline, we will offer a live blog next Monday of the ongoing negotiations. These things have a history of getting resolved at the last minute, so as they say on TV...stay tuned.
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From here.

Dang..... I wasn't even thinking about losing the Truck Series. :mad:
 
Wonder if DirecTV drops these channels for a time they cut out some of our pricing? I doubt it, but they should since they won't be offering everything they said they would.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Can anyone out there on Dish Network give me some feedback on their service?
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I had DISH Network for over 10 years and was really happy. Even though it was somewhat expensive and I was forced to buy channels I never watched, I liked the picture quality and where I live (SoCal) I never had to worry about weather-related interruptions.

But when they went thru the thing with FOX, they were crying poverty. During the FOX blackout they had the gall to raise my montly rate by $15 (which was more than a 15% increase). I dropped DISH immediately and went to Time Warner Cable.
 
NewsCorp may have to suck it up. SPEED doesn't have the viewership that deserves it being on a primary lineup. The max they get a week is a million for the Truck races. USA, FOX "News", TNT net those kinds of ratings in their worst hours.

The regional sports channels aren't a huge hit for DirecTV.

Root Sports (Pittsburgh), owned by DirecTV.
NESN (Boston), owned by Fenway Sports Network.
SNY (New York), owned by Time Warner and NBC Sports.
YES Network (New York), owned by the New York Yankees.
MASN Sports (Baltimore, Washington), owned by the Orioles and Nationals.
CSN (Washington, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco), owned by NBC Sports.

I don't think DirecTV is that concerned about the Los Angeles sports networks, because LA don't support their local teams anyways. Some in the NFL are already taking bets on how long it will take for the destined LA football team to fail and end up in London (another team that would fail).

The networks are already overpaying for SPEED and not getting their moneys worth having it on a basic lineup. There are only a few times in the history of the network that SPEED has been a top tier network for ratings -- that's every time they air the All Star Race, the Gatorade Duels at Daytona and when they aired the 2010 ARCA Danicatona 200.
 
It's time for a new law against channel bundles. Each channel should stand on it's own merits and carry it's own price.
 
FenderBumper said:
It's time for a new law against channel bundles. Each channel should stand on it's own merits and carry it's own price.
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Yeah, I get about 50 channels I never watch and don't get 2 I would watch.

I just want:

Local nets
Public Access

ESPN
ESPN2
MASN
MASN2
CSN
NBC Sports Network
SPEED
msnbc
CNN
FOX "News" Channel
FOX Business Channel
CURRENT
USA
TNT
Universal HD
TBS
FX
MavTV
Travel Network
National Geographic
Discovery Channel (Shark Week 3D)
History Channel

I don't need 120 spanish channels, I don't need 10 home shopping networks, I don't need 10 health and beauty networks.
 
And this is also why FOX moving the races to SPEED is a horrible idea. Many cable providers are moving the network to second tier cable.

This is also why I think NASCAR ends up on NBC Sports in a couple years. FOX has already said the only way they keep NASCAR is if there's a steep price decrease and the majority of the races move to SPEED. NBC Sports, which is limited to keeping the IndyCar on NBC Sports Network, has everything to gain since they only have one NFL game a week and the very under-watched NHL.
 
Until consumers say they wont pay for crap, content providers will keep bundeling crap with good to make the high price seem like a good deal. "You get 14 channels for just $15.99 a month".

I only want 1, so how about $7.99 a month? I giving you 13 channels back for just $8.99.
 
I wonder why the idiots at NewsCorp didn't put ClusterFOX in the same carriage agreement as FX, SPEED, and the FOX regional sports networks. :confused:
 
According to Jayski, FOX averaged 8.6 million viewers (households) for their 13 races in 2011.
http://www.jayski.com/pages/tvratings2011.htm

FOX pays NASCAR approximately $17 million per broadcast based upon their current eight-year $1.75 billion contract for television rights (104 races).

If every one of those 8.6 million households sent NASCAR $3.00 per race, NASCAR would receive over $25 Million in direct revenue, which is far more than NASCAR receives from FOX.

So, if we all agree to send NASCAR $108.00 per year (36 races @ $3.00 each) we should be able to see every race commercial-free for only $3.00 per race!!

Who's with me?? :beerbang::beerbang:
 
robbybee said:
According to Jayski, FOX averaged 8.6 million viewers (households) for their 13 races in 2011.
http://www.jayski.com/pages/tvratings2011.htm

FOX pays NASCAR approximately $17 million per broadcast based upon their current eight-year $1.75 billion contract for television rights (104 races).

If every one of those 8.6 million households sent NASCAR $3.00 per race, NASCAR would receive over $25 Million in direct revenue, which is far more than NASCAR receives from FOX.

So, if we all agree to send NASCAR $108.00 per year (36 races @ $3.00 each) we should be able to see every race commercial-free for only $3.00 per race!!

Who's with me?? :beerbang::beerbang:
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I always wondered why NASCAR doesn't have their own network. I wouldn't pay $108 a year. That would be almost double what NASCAR makes now, and they would probably double that again with ad revenue. IMO, all pay channels that have advertising should charge a small fee to viewers. I would pay $45 a year to see ALL nascar sanctioned races and shows.
 
robbybee said:
According to Jayski, FOX averaged 8.6 million viewers (households) for their 13 races in 2011.
http://www.jayski.com/pages/tvratings2011.htm

FOX pays NASCAR approximately $17 million per broadcast based upon their current eight-year $1.75 billion contract for television rights (104 races).

If every one of those 8.6 million households sent NASCAR $3.00 per race, NASCAR would receive over $25 Million in direct revenue, which is far more than NASCAR receives from FOX.

So, if we all agree to send NASCAR $108.00 per year (36 races @ $3.00 each) we should be able to see every race commercial-free for only $3.00 per race!!

Who's with me?? :beerbang::beerbang:
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Who would air it commercial free?

BTW, this isn't FOX. FOX TV Network and Fixed Noise are not affected by this.

The solution is simple, put NASCAR back on FX. But, since FOX destroyed SPEED by turning it in to a reality TV network, they're simply using NASCAR to blackmail cable providers in to keeping the network on basic cable. It won't work.

NASCAR was pissed when ESPN moved all their races to cable. If FOX moves their races to SPEED (especially if SPEED is destined for second-tier), say hello to "NBC Sports presents NASCAR" or "CBS Sports presents The Daytona 500".
 
FenderBumper said:
I always wondered why NASCAR doesn't have their own network. I wouldn't pay $108 a year. That would be almost double what NASCAR makes now, and they would probably double that again with ad revenue. IMO, all pay channels that have advertising should charge a small fee to viewers. I would pay $45 a year to see ALL nascar sanctioned races and shows.
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NASCAR doesn't need its own network. The only thing they'd need it for is to air the big Whelen late model races. As of now, the only time NASCAR puts those races on radio is when they want to put someone out of business.

They aired the Hamlin race because they managed to have it overshadowed by K&N. This is one thing I give Steve Britt credit for, having the balls to tell NASCAR to keep SPEED and the K&N Series AWAY from Old Dominion during our biggest race of the year.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Who would air it commercial free?
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Why do they air commercials? Answer: to repay the costs of televising races and paying the contract to NASCAR.

This $3.00 per race would not cover all of the production costs, so some sponsorship would still be required but if NASCAR could cut the financial requirements in half, it would be a good thing! Right now, with ABC/ESPN carrying the races, the number and length of commercial interruptions is quite annoying.

And not too long ago, ESPN carried the entire CUP season with Bob, Ned and Benny in the booth. Maybe the best TV period for NASCAR, although I really liked the TNN coverage from back in the day as well.
 
I have cable and it doesn't come with nearly as many channels as satellite does. I still have many channels I've never even watched and could do without.
 
robbybee said:
Why do they air commercials? Answer: to repay the costs of televising races and paying the contract to NASCAR.

This $3.00 per race would not cover all of the production costs, so some sponsorship would still be required but if NASCAR could cut the financial requirements in half, it would be a good thing! Right now, with ABC/ESPN carrying the races, the number and length of commercial interruptions is quite annoying.

And not too long ago, ESPN carried the entire CUP season with Bob, Ned and Benny in the booth. Maybe the best TV period for NASCAR, although I really liked the TNN coverage from back in the day as well.
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ESPN never carried the entire season.

They're not just repaying the cost to air the race, they've also got to pay to stay alive. Even if the fans paid the cost to air the race, the network still takes a loss. This is the problem I have with NASCAR fans, they expect the networks to lose money to provide commercial free coverage on their terms. Hell, go over to Daly's blog and you'll see them complaining about NASCAR NONSTOP because "the screen the race airs on is too small". They complained about Wide Open coverage on TNT because the commercials (in a small box) were too intrusive.

The only way to get commercial free NASCAR coverage on TV is to go PPV, and that was a miserable failure when NASCAR tried it. Sorry, I don't want to pay money to watch the race because some stuck up whiny fans can't deal with commercials on the side of the screen WHILE THEY CAN STILL SEE THE RACE.

How's this? If YOU want to see the race commercial free, and think we should all pay to see the races, how about you drive your ass to the racetrack and purchase tickets.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Yep, those 36 minutes of full screen commercials during a four hour race were quite annoying. :rolleyes:
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The Piicture in Picture process is better than full screen breakaways but it seems to give license to air even more commercials. I was payiong attention and during the first half of the race from Dega, the average number of green flag laps shown between commercial breaks was EIGHT! I don't care who you are. That's ridiculous. ABC is the worst, IMO. ESPN is a close second.

And Andy, I attend on average 6 CUP races per year. In fact, I am going to Texas next month!
 
robbybee said:
The Piicture in Picture process is better than full screen breakaways but it seems to give license to air even more commercials. I was payiong attention and during the first half of the race from Dega, the average number of green flag laps shown between commercial breaks was EIGHT! I don't care who you are. That's ridiculous. ABC is the worst, IMO. ESPN is a close second.
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Also, statistically incorrect. There are fewer commercials during NASCAR NONSTOP.

ESPN had 28 minutes of full screen commercials. TNT averaged over an hour of commercials and FOX averaging some 45-50 minutes of full screen commercials.

Also, statistically, EVERY network airs more commercials in the first half of the race than the second half. Although, having read your posts here, it seems your mind is made up and ESPN's the worst thing to ever happen to NASCAR. Sorry, I'd rather have ESPN air the races than do it your way and have to spend $100/year (which, btw, is totally unrealistic, it would be more like $720/year or more) on PPV.
 
It's not that ESPN is the worst thing. Capital Cities (Disney) is the worst thing to happen to NASCAR television coverage.

And I agree that PPV for NASCAR races is not viable. But I really dislike the way that the networks handle the broadcasts. I am not alone in my sentiments on the fact that there are far too many commercial interruptions during nationally televised races - not matter who televises it. It's the price we have to pay, I guess...

Here is a breakdown of race coverage vs commercial time on a race-by-race basis over the years. If you look at Talladega 2011, you will see that 30% of the broadcast was commercials (traditional and side-by-side).

http://www.jayski.com/pages/commercials.htm

If you look back to Talladega 2008, for example, 25% of the broadcast was commercials. Not a huge increase but still an increase.

BTW, I hate the Studio Host thingie as much as the commercials...
 
robbybee said:
It's not that ESPN is the worst thing. Capital Cities (Disney) is the worst thing to happen to NASCAR television coverage.

And I agree that PPV for NASCAR races is not viable. But I really dislike the way that the networks handle the broadcasts. I am not alone in my sentiments on the fact that there are far too many commercial interruptions during nationally televised races - not matter who televises it. It's the price we have to pay, I guess...

Here is a breakdown of race coverage vs commercial time on a race-by-race basis over the years. If you look at Talladega 2011, you will see that 30% of the broadcast was commercials (traditional and side-by-side).

http://www.jayski.com/pages/commercials.htm

If you look back to Talladega 2008, for example, 25% of the broadcast was commercials. Not a huge increase but still an increase.

BTW, I hate the Studio Host thingie as much as the commercials...
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Obviously, you give the fans the side by side coverage they've been "demanding" for years and they're still not happy.

I'm done with this stuff. NASCAR fans can't be satisfied, period.
 
I never asked for P-in-P but as compared to the alternative, it is preferable. P-in-P or not, there are still way too many effen commercials during the course of a race telecast. But that's just MY opinion...
 
They call it NASCAR Nonstop. My wife calls it Nonstop commercials. It's friggen annoying.

Just for the fun of messing with Andy, hey buddy, who said it was your job to satisfy NASCAR fans?

As to the original topic, I guess it sucks to be with DirecTV. I have COX cable and all is good.
 
Anyone know if DirecTv's dropping of Speed will also effect Century Link customers? I beleive they are affiliated?
 
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