do certain drivers create drama to maintain bad boy image??

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I look back at last week at the deal with brad and kurt. The whole thing seemed pretty out of character with Brad. We see pit road accidents all the time this just looked like any other we see. no driver is going to wreck themselves on purpose on pit road. So brad freaks out at kurt whom in the past he has complimented and said how good a driver he was to work with. The other is tony stewart, we saw it last year with joey at california. He tried to start a fight with him knowing full well everyone was going to jump in and stop it. The year before we saw Tony throw his helmet at matt kenseth. Come on seriously matt kenseth, matt is a pretty mild mannered guy. If you look at the past tony normally does something each year to created drama with another driver. I am just wondering if we have a few drivers in our sport that do things on purpose to maintain a bad boy image of themselves. This sort of thing helps with sponsorship and sells souvenirs.
 
Just bad timing. Brad (or insert desired name) is alright except for a five day period during the month.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Kevin Harvick probably does
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I'm not sure if they really do, or if it's just their personalities?:cool: One thing about Kyle is, he's seems to have really improved his image, antics, and pre/post races interviews, don't you think so? Some guys like Dale Jr, Jimmie, Kenseth etc, seem to always be respectful win or lose on interviews.:) Other guys like Kurt Busch, Brad K, or even Smoke, you never really know what you're going to get when they're interviewed after a race....:p
 
There is a correlation: whining drama queen drivers are not winning as much.

Denny/Kyle/Kurt/Kevin/Tony/Brad/ etc when they are having their crying time years are not winning titles.

When Tony/Kurt/Brad won their titles they maintained a greater level of emotional intelligence.
 
I think it is a product of competitive frustration. Meaning, the driver believes that he has a car capable of a certain level of success for that race and then another driver somehow negatively affects their projected success. If they weren't passionate about winning, we'd likely be watching a more subdued sport, such as competitive basket weaving.
 
I dunno if I'd go that far, OP.

Like Greg said in a more insulting and humorous way, I think that a particular driver's reaction to an on-track incident mainly just depends on what exactly happened and what type of mood they're in that day. Sure, some drivers are more likely to have a more venomous reaction than others, but I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with drama creation or constructing some kind of bad boy image.
 
PokerRun388 said:
I'm not sure if they really do, or if it's just their personalities?:cool: One thing about Kyle is, he's seems to have really improved his image, antics, and pre/post races interviews, don't you think so? Some guys like Dale Jr, Jimmie, Kenseth etc, seem to always be respectful win or lose on interviews.:) Other guys like Kurt Busch, Brad K, or even Smoke, you never really know what you're going to get when they're interviewed after a race....:p
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Kyle has improved but there is still potential there for an explosion, I hope that never changes. I detest candy assed drivers like JJ and KK
 
Sure....Earnhardt refined this, even if he didn't actually create it. It carried him, made him sort of a legend as much as his record ever did. Currently, Stewart, followed closely by the ridiculous Kevin Havawreck, are the torch bearers that appeal to that trailer parkish demographic that still idolizes such BS.

Hell, Stewart has driven into the pace car in order to emulate Earnhardt---and capture his leftover legion of fans that are just disappointed with the much milder mannered Earnhardt Jr.

Kurt, Kyle, Brad? Nah, different type entirely.

Rule one for that behavior is you HAVE to drive a Chevrolet to really foster--and pull off--- that image.lol
 
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BobbyFord said:
I think it is a product of competitive frustration. Meaning, the driver believes that he has a car capable of a certain level of success for that race and then another driver somehow negatively affects their projected success. If they weren't passionate about winning, we'd likely be watching a more subdued sport, such as competitive basket weaving.
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Post #9 wins.
 
I don't think the busch brothers do this I think at times they are kinda crazy and that is just what comes natural to them. This sport is about maintaining an image. look what happened to matt kenseth the guy lost his ride at roush because they couldn't find enough sponsorship for him. What makes tony all that different than matt?? its personality. lets watch the season play out. I think most drivers have a genuine beef with another driver when they act out. The deal with brad just looked to me like it was well....in basketball we would call it a flop. I bet at some point we see tony go off on some other driver with a seemingly overreaction. all I am saying is just watch and see if you see it.
 
I'm not sure about Kyle Busch... I was around him when he ran Legends cars and he wasn't a "bad boy" then. Maybe a bit aloof but I chalked that up to focus. But when he made the Big Time he seemed to emulate his brother, until getting suspended for a race and almost losing sponsorship. Looks like he cleaned up his act since then. Of course Kurt took some bigger hits (fired from Roush, then Penske) before also cleaning up his act. I'm glad for both of them. I don't want them to become sanitized bland yes-men like too many name drivers today, but I do want to see them able to run good equipment that showcases their talent.

Brad and Joey are young and may need to mature some more. A lot of kids their age have macho image problems, especially while trying to establish themselves in a very competitive world. Both of them seem to be coming to terms though.

Tony has always been a hot-head. Sort-a like, "you can take a driver out of the small tracks but you can't take the small tracks out of the driver"? But he's also very good at not going over the line and ending up in the NASCAR trailer. I'd say it's not a bad-boy image, but real stones, considering he became a multi-car team owner at such a young age and at today's expenses.

Today's "bad boys" have nothing on yesterday's "bad boys". Most of them weigh less than 200 pounds and don't know how to throw a punch. For example, put Kurt Busch up against Jimmy Spencer... oh wait, that already happened, and it didn't end to well for Kurt.
 
I think in the past, thats who the drivers were. Put big E in the wall, and he will do the same to you and maybe punch you in the head after. Theres a reason he was the intimidator. Today it seems thats what they protray. Its almost like they all really like each other even if they get into it on the track. In the past, That did not seem to be the case, maybe Im wrong......
 
Didn't Spencer punch Kurt while he was still in his car?
 
gone said:
I'm not sure about Kyle Busch... I was around him when he ran Legends cars and he wasn't a "bad boy" then. Maybe a bit aloof but I chalked that up to focus. But when he made the Big Time he seemed to emulate his brother, until getting suspended for a race and almost losing sponsorship. Looks like he cleaned up his act since then. Of course Kurt took some bigger hits (fired from Roush, then Penske) before also cleaning up his act. I'm glad for both of them. I don't want them to become sanitized bland yes-men like too many name drivers today, but I do want to see them able to run good equipment that showcases their talent.

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Unfortunately , it IS all about the clean cut , professional image that the sponsors want to project . There really isn't any sponsor who wants to be on the bad boys' cars . They will try real hard to stay with a guy who is winning races like Kyle , but ,in the end , he had to change or lose them.
 
I think drivers react differently during the heat of the moment. Tony has usually says something stupid when he gets mad. Kyle used to but he has been trained to deal with the media differently now. Carl used to always blame the other guy but I've noticed he now says he hasn't seen the replay yet - reserving his comments.

Some just spout off not caring about what they say while others treat the media in a special way knowing they might end up on a race promo for years to come.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I think drivers react differently during the heat of the moment. Tony has usually says something stupid when he gets mad. Kyle used to but he has been trained to deal with the media differently now. Carl used to always blame the other guy but I've noticed he now says he hasn't seen the replay yet - reserving his comments.

Some just spout off not caring about what they say while others treat the media in a special way knowing they might end up on a race promo for years to come.
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Zerkfitting I think your wrong about one driver now I might be wrong with name but when Logan flipped Edwards and he flew up in the air last lap of race Carl said afterwards that it was a racing incident. Some drivers man up and say crap happens, but others look at it that this was on purpose. I guess just like the song there's a time to hold them and a time to fold them.
 
Zerkfitting I think your wrong about one driver now I might be wrong with name but when Logan flipped Edwards and he flew up in the air last lap of race Carl said afterwards that it was a racing incident. Some drivers man up and say crap happens, but others look at it that this was on purpose. I guess just like the song there's a time to hold them and a time to fold them.
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You are right. I think most drivers were quick to blame the other guy until replays called them out. I used Carl as an example because I noticed him mentioning replays before others started using that line.
 
I think it's really easy to say drivers are acting if you're on the outside looking in. If you grew up in the pits of a local dirt short track... you might think of it in another way. I've seen some really good people turn into lunatics because of the passion and frustration involved in this sport.
 
jdbrew said:
I think it's really easy to say drivers are acting if you're on the outside looking in. If you grew up in the pits of a local dirt short track... you might think of it in another way. I've seen some really good people turn into lunatics because of the passion and frustration involved in this sport.
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Well said. These guys constantly have hot mics around them.

It has to be frustrating to get taken out, even when self inflicted.
Wrecks happen fast and a mic is there as soon as you leave the care center.
Unless you train yourself to be some type of robot, or cyborg venting is going to naturally happen.

If folks considered their own personal work experiences they could probably relate.
There is a guy at work who thinks he is the baddest dog around, a real egotistical slob.
We talk like adversaries and sheet talk each other face to face often.
(We currently have a truce, but if tried to run my business again, it would all be back on).

Even so if either has a personal problem, we are the first to help each other out. Kind of like two brothers that constantly fight but are still willing to help each other out when he sees the other one having a problem. He is a good guy, good to his family etc, we just bump heads, or have friction at work, I think most foks have experienced something similar.
Sometimes the two messing with each other understand each other, and others who dont keep own over hyping things.
 
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