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It has been the focus of many of the drivers of late, but I hadn't noticed it much until this race. It almost appeared the Sam Hornish's car was running sideways down the straights and some of the other cars were just about as crooked. Maybe it was the heightened attention to this that made me look at it more, so I don't know if this was anything other than what's been the norm. Did anyone else notice it more?
 
same here. Hornish's car was crooked as it was- after he hit the wall, it looked to me like he had the rear axle cranked 30 degrees off kilter.

Also, noticed he got faster after the hit, likely said reason. Obviously there's something to be had in the side force. The side panel is only what, 4 inches longer and 2 inches higher, and forced out that much further?
 
'Crabby' cars may be scaled back by NASCAR: Expect NASCAR to tell Sprint Cup teams that they've gone far enough - and in some cases, too far - with making crooked cars. Sprint Cup Series director John Darby said Saturday that teams will get a memo, likely this week, telling them to "clean up" the way they're turning their wheels to help the cars handle better. "They need some of that, but there are some of them that have pushed it," Darby said. The rear wheels on some of the cars were turned to the point that some were having difficulty being pushed onto the scales used in inspection.(Charlotte Observer)(5-18-2008) Comment here
 
I noticed it a lot last week at Darlington. Seems like most of the cars looked a little sideways down the straights. But Hornish, jeez, They went a little overboard.
 
There's also the problem the Rousch cars have been having with their wheels. Perhaps a little too much downforce on those cars on the side? I know there's been a lot of comments about it on air and in articles.
 
This has already been talked about for a few weeks. It started with Jeff Gordon talking about Carl Edwards' car doing that and possibly having an advantage. More teams started doing it at Darlington, now teams are taking it to the extreme. You had to figure NASCAR would step in.
 
VaDirt said:
I noticed it a lot last week at Darlington. Seems like most of the cars looked a little sideways down the straights. But Hornish, jeez, They went a little overboard.
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Wasn't to over board, he made the big show. Duane
 
MRM said:
This has already been talked about for a few weeks. It started with Jeff Gordon talking about Carl Edwards' car doing that and possibly having an advantage. More teams started doing it at Darlington, now teams are taking it to the extreme. You had to figure NASCAR would step in.
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NASCAR's showing favoritism to Roush. Now that other teams have figured it out and are trying it out themselves, NASCAR steps in.

:rolleyes:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
NASCAR's showing favoritism to Roush. Now that other teams have figured it out and are trying it out themselves, NASCAR steps in.

:rolleyes:
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At least it's not Hendrick. We all know they break the rules for THEM! It was clearly evident when they gave Chad and Steve a nice little vacation last year. :rolleyes: ;) :lol2:
 
WNY24Fan said:
At least it's not Hendrick. We all know they break the rules for THEM! It was clearly evident when they gave Chad and Steve a nice little vacation last year. :rolleyes: ;) :lol2:
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I notice the Hendrick-haters have been quiet this year. :confused:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
NASCAR's showing favoritism to Roush. Now that other teams have figured it out and are trying it out themselves, NASCAR steps in.

:rolleyes:
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I disagree. When one team figures something out that's within the rules, it's okay. When another team takes it a step farther and makes it more obvious, that's when NASCAR slams on the brakes.
 
MRM said:
I disagree. When one team figures something out that's within the rules, it's okay. When another team takes it a step farther and makes it more obvious, that's when NASCAR slams on the brakes.
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What rule has been broken?
 
I believe that I read somewhere that there is a limit of 3 degrees to the rear steer in the cars. One can see that has been bypassed considerably.
 
buckaroo said:
I believe that I read somewhere that there is a limit of 3 degrees to the rear steer in the cars. One can see that has been bypassed considerably.
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Show me the rule book. :)

Yeah, I know that can't be done because it's written in pencil. :rolleyes:
 
Did MRM mean someone violated the rules ?? My interpretation was MRM mentioned a team working within the rules and another pushing what might be an extreme but that doesn't mean the extreme is in violation of the rules.

Of course, this doesn't mean there are teams who haven't found a loophole but NASCAR has stated they will rein in violators who push the limit of the rules so, doubtful anyone is going beyond the limit imposed by NASCAR. To much is at stake since NASCAR has already imposed stiff penalties such as points taken and six figure fines.
If anything, it would be more along the lines of NASCAR not liking the way the off center cars look as they do not have a "stock appearance" when crabbing.
 
Whizzer said:
Did MRM mean someone violated the rules ??
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No.

But if Sam Hornish's team didn't break any rules, why should they stop?

:confused:

Sounds to me like NASCAR's writing a new rule in lead on their paper rulebook. ;)

:D
 
Whizzer said:
If anything, it would be more along the lines of NASCAR not liking the way the off center cars look as they do not have a "stock appearance" when crabbing.
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Did you just use the words "NASCAR" and "stock" in the same sentence? :eek:

Brian France is not going to like that one. You, my friend, might get banned from going to the races or watching them on your local TNT station. ;)
 
Magnethead said:
NASCAR looking stock? That ended many decades ago.
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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Did you just use the words "NASCAR" and "stock" in the same sentence? :eek:
Brian France is not going to like that one. You, my friend, might get banned from going to the races or watching them on your local TNT station. ;)
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BOY !!! Ya got me there. Let me do it this way.

:rolleyes:"If anything, it would be more along the lines of NASCAR not liking the way the off center cars look as they do not have a, quote, unquote, stock appearance when crabbing." :rolleyes:
 
Whiz, what makes what you said funny, at least to me, is that NASCAR has said all along that the COT is more "stock" appearing than the older cars. What with that wing, it makes me think of the cars in the barrios. :eek:
 
buckaroo said:
Whiz, what makes what you said funny, at least to me, is that NASCAR has said all along that the COT is more "stock" appearing than the older cars. What with that wing, it makes me think of the cars in the barrios. :eek:
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The COT looks more like most of the new cars they're selling than the Car of Yesterday cars do to me. :idunno:
 
Magnethead said:
only cuz na$car is probably paying off the mfgr's to make the car models look closer to the CoT, not the other way around :p
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Mag, you probably don't remember this, hell, you weren't even born then, but go back and see what the late 70's Monte Carlos looked like, then look to see what they looked like on the track. Because NASCAR has, or at least had a rule that the cars that run on the track must resemble the cars in the showrooms of the dealers. Because of that rule, GM was forced to make a limited supply of Monte Carlos with the rear window sloped rather than nearly straight up and down. So maybe it's the mfgr's that are doing the payoff!
 
NASCAR sent a memo to Sprint Cup teams this week putting a limit on the amount of rear adjustment being made to create more sideforce. The adjustment basically has the back tires turned to the right with a rear toe adjustment, allowing the car to enter the turns with more speed. It's not visibly noticeable on the turns, but on the straightaways the car appears to be crabbing down the track sideways. Darby said teams have been adjusting the rear end in excess of two degrees. NASCAR limited the adjustment to one degree.(ESPN.com)m this rule takes effect as of the race at Dover next weekend.(5-22-2008)
 
I think it's because they wanted to be so strict about what could and couldn't be done to the COT. They've given fines and suspensions over things that were much smaller than this. In those cases, had they let it go, the other teams could have done the same thing, as well. It sort of makes them seem like hypocrites to have made a stink about something minute in the past and yet they're letting this go which is so obvious.
 
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