Dover II Thread

Matt just wrecked going into pit road...I guess he is done for the day and very pizzed at himself. :(
 
First Kasey, then Brian, now Matt Kenseth. What is going on?!? :angry: :(
 
They didn't eve know if kenseth had a flat tire, did they?
 
Now it's Jeff Burton. And he's really mad. Plus the car was on fire....
 
Kenseth's back out. From what I saw, the front end looks pretty new... and not all crunched. I guess he learned from Stewart's mishap last weekend...
 
Points as they run....

Rank +/- Points Behind No. Driver Sponsor Make Pos. Laps Led
1 +1 5375 -- #97 Kurt Busch Sharpie/IRWIN Industrial Tools Ford 3 0
2 -1 5365 -10 #8 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Budweiser Chevrolet 5 0
3 -- 5343 -32 #24 Jeff Gordon DuPont Chevrolet 8 0
4 +1 5340 -35 #48 Jimmie Johnson Lowe's Chevrolet 4 0
5 +1 5299 -76 #38 Elliott Sadler M&M's Ford 12 0
6 +1 5277 -98 #6 Mark Martin Viagra Ford 9 0
7 -3 5269 -106 #17 Matt Kenseth DeWalt Power Tools Ford 33 58
8 +1 5264 -111 #12 Ryan Newman ALLTEL Dodge 1 106
9 +1 5214 -161 #19 Jeremy Mayfield Dodge Dealers/UAW Dodge 7 0
10 -2 5204 -171 #20 Tony Stewart The Home Depot Chevrolet 15 0

11 -- 3452 -1923 #42 Jamie McMurray Texaco/Havoline Dodge 14 0
12 +1 3380 -1995 #29 Kevin Harvick GM Goodwrench Chevrolet 17 0
13 +1 3361 -2014 #18 Bobby Labonte MBNA Chevrolet 16 0
14 -2 3360 -2015 #9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Dealers/UAW Dodge 42 0
15 -- 3332 -2043 #88 Dale Jarrett UPS Ford 6 0
16 +1 3066 -2309 #2 Rusty Wallace Miller Lite Dodge 2 0
17 -1 3041 -2334 #15 Michael Waltrip NAPA Auto Parts Chevrolet 21 0
18 -- 3003 -2372 #40 Sterling Marlin Coors Light Dodge 13 0
19 -- 2967 -2408 #30 Jeff Burton America Online Chevrolet 20 0
20 +1 2962 -2413 #16 Greg Biffle National Guard/Subway Ford 10 0
21 -1 2913 -2462 #41 Casey Mears Target Dodge 31 0
22 -- 2854 -2521 #31 Robby
 
And this is only the first half of the race... well, almost the first half.
 
Points as they run...



Rank +/- Points Behind No. Driver Sponsor Make Pos. Laps Led
1 +1 5365 -- #97 Kurt Busch Sharpie/IRWIN Industrial Tools Ford 6 12
2 +1 5361 -4 #24 Jeff Gordon DuPont Chevrolet 5 1
3 -2 5361 -4 #8 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Budweiser Chevrolet 7 1
4 +2 5314 -51 #38 Elliott Sadler M&M's Ford 8 0
5 +2 5309 -56 #6 Mark Martin Viagra Ford 3 2
6 -1 5301 -64 #48 Jimmie Johnson Lowe's Chevrolet 14 0
7 -3 5272 -93 #17 Matt Kenseth DeWalt Power Tools Ford 32 58
8 +1 5264 -101 #12 Ryan Newman ALLTEL Dodge 1 193
9 -1 5216 -149 #20 Tony Stewart The Home Depot Chevrolet 11 0
10 -- 5192 -173 #19 Jeremy Mayfield Dodge Dealers/UAW Dodge 13 0

11 -- 3469 -1896 #42 Jamie McMurray Texaco/Havoline Dodge 9 0
12 +1 3380 -1985 #29 Kevin Harvick GM Goodwrench Chevrolet 17 0
13 -1 3360 -2005 #9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Dealers/UAW Dodge 42 0
14 -- 3349 -2016 #18 Bobby Labonte MBNA Chevrolet 20 0
15 -- 3309 -2056 #88 Dale Jarrett UPS Ford 12 0
16 +1 3066 -2299 #2 Rusty Wallace Miller Lite Dodge 2 0
17 -1 3047 -2318 #15 Michael Waltrip NAPA Auto Parts Chevrolet 19 0
18 +3 2988 -2377 #16 Greg Biffle National Guard/Subway Ford 4 0
19 -1 2988 -2377 #40 Sterling Marlin Coors Light Dodge 18 0
20 -1 2928 -2437 #30 Jeff Burton America Online Chevrolet 33 0
 
newman looks really strong today. mark doesnt look too bad either

jr, dj, and mcmurry sure could use a caution. there's got to be some debris out there somewhere....
 
What the H@@L was that caution for. Couldn't have been cause Jr. was about to go 1 lap down. Funny the guys in the booth couldn't even say what caused the caution :angry: :angry:
 
Originally posted by Mrs.Nascar20@Sep 26 2004, 04:31 PM
What the H@@L was that caution for. Couldn't have been cause Jr. was about to go 1 lap down. Funny the guys in the booth couldn't even say what caused the caution :angry: :angry:
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they did, it was because robby gordon's engine blew and there was oil out there.
 
Originally posted by DirtyMo1381529+Sep 26 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DirtyMo1381529 @ Sep 26 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mrs.Nascar20@Sep 26 2004, 04:31 PM
What the H@@L was that caution for. Couldn't have been cause Jr. was about to go 1 lap down. Funny&nbsp; the guys in the booth couldn't even say what caused the caution&nbsp; :angry:&nbsp; :angry:
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they did, it was because robby gordon's engine blew and there was oil out there. [/b][/quote]
Guess Hubby and I both missed that one
 
Kenseth just went to the garage and Sadler had to serve a penalty for speeding on pit road :(
 
Sounds like Tony is still po'ed at Robby. He didn't want to say much. :lol:
 
Originally posted by DirtyMo1381529+Sep 26 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DirtyMo1381529 @ Sep 26 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mrs.Nascar20@Sep 26 2004, 04:31 PM
What the H@@L was that caution for. Couldn't have been cause Jr. was about to go 1 lap down. Funny&nbsp; the guys in the booth couldn't even say what caused the caution&nbsp; :angry:&nbsp; :angry:
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they did, it was because robby gordon's engine blew and there was oil out there. [/b][/quote]
Just find out that Gordon was going to change shocks, he was still running at the end of the race, so why was that caution called? I know, move on Mrs. Nascar 20 :D
 
Originally posted by Gollum@Sep 26 2004, 05:07 PM
Sounds like Tony is still po'ed at Robby. He didn't want to say much. :lol:
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That's why I like Tony, he's not afraid to speak his mind.
 
Originally posted by Mrs.Nascar20+Sep 26 2004, 04:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mrs.Nascar20 @ Sep 26 2004, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by DirtyMo1381529@Sep 26 2004, 04:39 PM
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@Sep 26 2004, 04:31 PM
What the H@@L was that caution for. Couldn't have been cause Jr. was about to go 1 lap down. Funny  the guys in the booth couldn't even say what caused the caution &nbsp; :angry: &nbsp; :angry:
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they did, it was because robby gordon's engine blew and there was oil out there.
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Just find out that Gordon was going to change shocks, he was still running at the end of the race, so why was that caution called? I know, move on Mrs. Nascar 20 :D [/b][/quote]
What I thought I heard was that there was 'debris' in turn 4 that they had been discussing for several laps and that there was a 'possibility' of oil in turn 4.
 
That's what I heard too Maj. It was a legitimate caution if for no other reason than to check out the "possible" oil on the track........I'm sure everyone remembers Kasey Kahne and his hitting oil while leading earlier this season!! :) Seems NASCAR took a hit for not throwing the yellow then.......now, we might be hitting NASCAR for throwing the yellow under similar circumstances! :) We all pipe in with "better to err on the side of caution" but when it turns out to an error we jump all over NASCAR for trying to tighten the field or protect some driver from going down a lap with little comments like:
Couldn't have been cause Jr. was about to go 1 lap down. Funny the guys in the booth couldn't even say what caused the caution&nbsp;
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It never ends, I guess.
 
Agreed DE, and I think the only reason Tony didn't say anything was to avoid further sanctions.
 
Did Tony Rub Robby in the race and make him lose a few positions? That's what I heard...I didn't see it though. Can anyone verify it for me?
 
I believe Tony was irked because Robby actually passed him and Robby was several laps down. Tony loosened him up a bit and went back by him slightly damaging his front fender in the process. I guess in the new Nascar you aren't supposed to race hard. I guess Robby will have to just ride around in 30th place the rest of the year since he is on probation and not in the top ten. Robby should just wave folks by him I guess.

Now that that's outta the way, Tony is probably still steaming from last week. We'll have to hear about it for probably another month. Remember the 3 week bashing Andretti took earlier in the year and that situation wasn't nearly as bad.

I'm sick of this top ten thing already. I think it has further separated the haves and have nots. It seems like nobody matters except the top 10. It seems to be implied (by drivers and announcers) that the other drivers should just get out of the way. It's only going to get worse as the races dwindle and the stress level rises. Did anyone notice Casey Mears in a pack of about 3 chasers and he just pulled up high and let them all by. This was after he got his car right and was running competetive speeds and able to hold the low groove. It was plain as day and the announcers didn't utter a peep. It made me want to puke.
 
well if tony tapped robby, got him loose, whatever, then, according to jeff gordon, he should have been parked. I don't hear anyone raising hell about that after robby wasd nearly crucified last weekend and the whole last week. This is a ridiculous double standard, Tony Stewart retaliated for a week old incident and then commented that he wanted to physically harm robby after the race...I think someone needs to be put on probation himself...
 
It never ends, I guess.
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It will never end as long as there is an appearance of favortism from NASCAR to their boy Lil'E. As was stated there had been talk for several laps of debris, and it was Turn 3 not 4, and a possibility of oil. They didn't call a caution until Ryan was eating up Lil'E's bumper. Maybe it is all on the up and up but the appearance is that they may have called it to benefit Lil'E. NASCAR has to be aware of how a lot of fans feel. They are just pandering to all of the Lil'E fans at the detriment of the integrity of the sport. They should have called it sooner, before Lil'E was in the TV frame, much later, or maybe not at all.
 
Originally posted by majestyx@Sep 27 2004, 07:59 AM

And, just why does Jeff Gordon need to be brought into this...........&nbsp; :huh:
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Jeff Gordon needs to be brought into this because he spent all week explaining that cars that act in retaliation need to be parked...he made a big point (this is all at NASCAR.com) last week to dig up ancient history and say that he HIMSELF should have been parked after he retaliated against Robby however many years ago during the season finale...I'm not saying Jeff did anything wrong or am even trying to say anything negative about him, I'm just saying that he makes a good point. If this were the case, then Tony would fall into this category having retaliated against robby for last week...of course, if this were the case as well, then you would have to stop the race and look through thehistory books, old films and all of that crap to find out what any tap could be in retaliation for...I think Jeff's just worried about the same kind of thing happening to him...but, the point is, everyone calling for Robby's blood last week should be calling for Tony's as well...the did the same thing essentially, itjust didn't have the same consequences...but the problem is this, you can't judge on an act based on the consequences because they all have potentially the same outcome, so its a pretty damn ridiculous in my book.
click here for Jeff's comments on parking
 
I don't think Tony was retaliating. I think it was just enough of a bump to get back by him. If Tony wanted to he could have punted him and ended his race. That being said I think it's overkill the abuse Robby is taking. I agree about the double standards.
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Sep 27 2004, 09:09 AM
I don't think Tony was retaliating. I think it was just enough of a bump to get back by him.
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Isn't that retaliation? I agree with what you're saying though...but once you get into something like this it becomes a slippery slope kind of argument...you have to look at intent and all that good stuff.
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Sep 27 2004, 08:48 AM
I believe Tony was irked because Robby actually passed him and Robby was several laps down. Tony loosened him up a bit and went back by him slightly damaging his front fender in the process. I guess in the new Nascar you aren't supposed to race hard. I guess Robby will have to just ride around in 30th place the rest of the year since he is on probation and not in the top ten. Robby should just wave folks by him I guess.

Now that that's outta the way, Tony is probably still steaming from last week. We'll have to hear about it for probably another month. Remember the 3 week bashing Andretti took earlier in the year and that situation wasn't nearly as bad.

I'm sick of this top ten thing already. I think it has further separated the haves and have nots. It seems like nobody matters except the top 10. It seems to be implied (by drivers and announcers) that the other drivers should just get out of the way. It's only going to get worse as the races dwindle and the stress level rises. Did anyone notice Casey Mears in a pack of about 3 chasers and he just pulled up high and let them all by. This was after he got his car right and was running competetive speeds and able to hold the low groove. It was plain as day and the announcers didn't utter a peep. It made me want to puke.
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100% agreed.
 
Originally posted by esorlxaw+Sep 27 2004, 09:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (esorlxaw @ Sep 27 2004, 09:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-majestyx@Sep 27 2004, 07:59 AM

And, just why does Jeff Gordon need to be brought into this...........  :huh:
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Jeff Gordon needs to be brought into this because he spent all week explaining that cars that act in retaliation need to be parked...he made a big point (this is all at NASCAR.com) last week to dig up ancient history and say that he HIMSELF should have been parked after he retaliated against Robby however many years ago during the season finale...I'm not saying Jeff did anything wrong or am even trying to say anything negative about him, I'm just saying that he makes a good point. If this were the case, then Tony would fall into this category having retaliated against robby for last week...of course, if this were the case as well, then you would have to stop the race and look through thehistory books, old films and all of that crap to find out what any tap could be in retaliation for...I think Jeff's just worried about the same kind of thing happening to him...but, the point is, everyone calling for Robby's blood last week should be calling for Tony's as well...the did the same thing essentially, itjust didn't have the same consequences...but the problem is this, you can't judge on an act based on the consequences because they all have potentially the same outcome, so its a pretty damn ridiculous in my book.
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Two things I have learned throughout the years:

Jeff Gordon = hypocrite
Tony Stewart = babied by Nascar


After everything Tony has been through, and looking at what other drivers (Harvick, Robby Gordon, Spencer come to mind) have done and been parked or suspended for, Tony should have been suspended for at least a month by now.

Double standard.

Otherwise known as the "LiL E" rule.
 
Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Sep 28 2004, 09:35 AM




After everything Tony has been through, and looking at what other drivers (Harvick, Robby Gordon, Spencer come to mind) have done and been parked or suspended for, Tony should have been suspended for at least a month by now.

Double standard.

Otherwise known as the "LiL E" rule.
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"Lil E" should have been suspended?

I love how everything turn into an Earnhardt thread. :XXROFL:
 
I think his response had more to do with preferential treatment as opposed to Lil E being suspended. Junior hasn't done anything to warrant suspension. Unless of course you count the intentional spin, which he publicly admitted to. Hmmmmm.....that's not much different than announcing what you are going to do over the radio. Interesting.
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Sep 28 2004, 10:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Sep 28 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RobbyG Fan@Sep 28 2004, 09:35 AM




After everything Tony has been through, and looking at what other drivers (Harvick, Robby Gordon, Spencer come to mind) have done and been parked or suspended for, Tony should have been suspended for at least a month by now.

Double standard.

Otherwise known as the "LiL E" rule.
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"Lil E" should have been suspended?

I love how everything turn into an Earnhardt thread. :XXROFL: [/b][/quote]
Really, people....you'd think this board was the Speed Channel or something <_<
 
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