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FenderBumper

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-brad-keselowski-would-change-nascar/1937443/

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"It's about $2.25 million for one of those brand-new Prevosts, and resale value is maybe $800,000 to $1 million," says Keselowski, 29, about his peers' motor homes. "That's ridiculous. They break down all the time."
So with the help of assistant Bill Cole, Keselowski built his home for about a third of the price but with a more spacious interior thanks to two pullout slides."

"Three years ago, a track tried to put in WiFi and was told no because of the Sprint (title sponsorship) agreement. Are you kidding me?"

"For example, now you have NASCAR, who can approach Miller Lite and say, "Hey, why don't you take $5 million of that funding off the No. 2 car and put it on to be the official NASCAR partner?" Whoever works at NASCAR who signs that deal gets a 10% cut and says, "Yes! Nailed it!"

When Danica (Patrick) gets in the car, I don't think, "Oh there's that girl." I think, "Oh, there's that 30th-place driver."
 
EI2IC said:
How can you not like this guy!
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Its against the toadie code of conduct for any of us to like or cheer for a chosen driver of a brother of the toadie clan. Oops that was a clan secret. Oh woe is me, probably shaving cream while I'm asleep time. :oops:
 
Did Brad say this or was it the writer?

When Danica (Patrick) gets in the car, I don't think, "Oh there's that girl." I think, "Oh, there's that 30th-place driver." That's the reality of it. People who talk to me about Danica and say, "Man, you need to give her more of a chance." No, you need to give her less of a chance. You need to treat her equally a
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Johali said:
Its against the toadie code of conduct for any of us to like or cheer for a chosen driver of a brother of the toadie clan. Oops that was a clan secret. Oh woe is me, probably shaving cream while I'm asleep time. :oops:
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Haha thats some mighty harsh penalties you have to deal with for spilling clan secrets :eek:
 
Brad's unfiltered ways are very entertaining but I worry that he's going to cross the line with the wrong people. NASCAR still runs (and owns) the show and they'll be quick to remind Brad that his presence is not required for them to survive.
 
Good for Brad for telling the truth. Nascar should listen to him. Nascar may try to tame or silence him, but they will be the loser for igoring the realities. That wouldnt be crossing the line, there already delusional surrounded by a world of butt kissers.

A lot of people have feared an idioc king that couldnt handle the truth, eventually it led ruin. Crossing the line is the STFU fines. It also tortures their own credibility as the drivers become more cloned. Plastic people are less inspiring, and what we currently have isnt a self sustaining model, in short it can't put the racing in the blood of next generation.

The dumbasses in the suites are just to stupid feel it, they don't have the sense to see the real simple product the real pulp, there just bean counters , who have forgotten that running the best races possibile is everything. You cant screw peope out of the best racing without a cost.
 
Greg said:
Good for Brad for telling the truth. Nascar should listen to him. Nascar may try to tame or silence him, but they will be the loser for igoring the realities. That wouldnt be crossing the line, there already delusional surrounded by a world of butt kissers.

A lot of people have feared an idioc king that couldnt handle the truth, eventually it led ruin. Crossing the line is the STFU fines. It also tortures their own credibility as the drivers become more cloned. Plastic people are less inspiring, and what we currently have isnt a self sustaining model, in short it can't put the racing in the blood of next generation.

The dumbasses in the suites are just to stupid feel it, they don't have the sense to see the real simple product the real pulp, there just bean counters , who have forgotten that running the best races possibile is everything. You cant screw peope out of the best racing without a cost.
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Well said. nascar inc. is so dysfunctional, they had the formula for good plate racing right in front of them in the truck series. Slower cars and lots of rear downforce. So the idiots go in the opposite direction and take away downforce and make the cup cars faster. They want the big one, but I have a feeling all they will get is cautious racing.
 
It's amazing how people with absolutely no behind the scenes knowledge (or business training of any kind) think they can do a better job of running a business than the people that actually run the business. Especially when it's a phenomenally successful multi-billion dollar world class enterprise.:)
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's amazing how people with absolutely no behind the scenes knowledge (or business training of any kind) think they can do a better job of running a business than the people that actually run the business. Especially when it's a phenomenally successful multi-billion dollar world class enterprise.:)
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Just because they are successful doesn't mean there isn't room for major improvements.
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's amazing how people with absolutely no behind the scenes knowledge (or business training of any kind) think they can do a better job of running a business than the people that actually run the business. Especially when it's a phenomenally successful multi-billion dollar world class enterprise.:)
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Dont have a heart attack but "I agree with you" but this is the racing forum matt, its what they do. :D
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's amazing how people with absolutely no behind the scenes knowledge (or business training of any kind) think they can do a better job of running a business than the people that actually run the business. Especially when it's a phenomenally successful multi-billion dollar world class enterprise.
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Tell that to the highly successful bankers and Wallstreet hacks that cost you your job. Just a side note, a business that has lost half their customers in the past 10 years isn't phenomenally successful by any rational standard. Anyone with half a diploma would know that. :)

haha, I stole a smiley from the smart kid.
 
FenderBumper said:
Tell that to the highly successful bankers and Wallstreet hacks that cost you your job. Just a side note, a business that has lost half their customers in the past 10 years isn't phenomenally successful by any rational standard. Anyone with half a diploma would know that. :)

haha, I stole a smiley from the smart kid.
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FB send me a fishing emoticon please, I cant find one.:D
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's amazing how people with absolutely no behind the scenes knowledge (or business training of any kind) think they can do a better job of running a business than the people that actually run the business. Especially when it's a phenomenally successful multi-billion dollar world class enterprise.:)
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Have you ever seen a good race. Thats the product, without it your breifcase is loaded with crap. BTW , the question isnt rhetorical. Do you get the passion? Have you ever woke up on monday morning burning for the next race, and have it rule your thoughts all week. Have you ever counted all your money and all you could borrow to try driving your self? In short have you ever been a racing freak?

Now go ahead and dismiss my lack of business knowledge, I cant blame you. But Nascar isnt connecting with kids (the future). There is no path for self made drivers, the independent types like a Bobby Allison , or Earnhardt to dig there way in past their 25th birthday. Nascar at its best is blue color and redneck, embrace it, we are not F1 or the dried up country club crap . The masses love the good old boy, and there a lot more intersting than the selected chosen few. Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question, a boring disgusting lot.

Brad drove his way in, and unlike me he does have the credibility and knowledge to address the disconnect. Your inabilty to comprehend does not dismiss those points.
 
Greg said:
Brad drove his way in, and unlike me he does have the credibility and knowledge to address the disconnect. Your inabilty to comprehend does not dismiss those points.
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Flawless logic shoots down a horribly flawed argument. :cheers:
 
Greg said:
Have you ever seen a good race. Thats the product, without it your breifcase is loaded with crap. BTW , the question isnt rhetorical. Do you get the passion? Have you ever woke up on monday morning burning for the next race, and have it rule your thoughts all week. Have you ever counted all your money and all you could borrow to try driving your self? In short have you ever been a racing freak?

Now go ahead and dismiss my lack of business knowledge, I cant blame you. But Nascar isnt connecting with kids (the future). There is no path for self made drivers, the independent types like a Bobby Allison , or Earnhardt to dig there way in past their 25th birthday. Nascar at its best is blue color and redneck, embrace it, we are not F1 or the dried up country club crap . The masses love the good old boy, and there a lot more intersting than the selected chosen few. Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question, a boring disgusting lot.

Brad drove his way in, and unlike me he does have the credibility and knowledge to address the disconnect. Your inabilty to comprehend does not dismiss those points.
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The only logic I see in this is logically inconsistant illogical folderol. Found a place to use that word, yahoo. :D
 
Johali said:
...folderol. Found a place to use that word, yahoo. :D
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I love that word! Almost as much as I love the words HORSEPUCKY and OBVIOSITY.

Greg said:
Nascar at its best is blue color and redneck, embrace it, we are not F1 or the dried up country club crap . The masses love the good old boy, and there a lot more intersting than the selected chosen few. Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question, a boring disgusting lot.
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So, you would dismiss drivers such as Kyle and Kurt Busch (Las Vegas), Kevin Harvick (Bakersfield), Tony Stewart (Indiana) and Tim Richmond (California) as being irrelevant because they ain't "good ol' boys" from Hicksville? I certainly would not classify any of these drivers as being "Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question..."

That thing got a HEMI??
 
I can't believe that anyone on here can possibly hate the product as much as they say they do unless they're simply trolling. Maybe I have lower expectations than others but I've seen many great races over my lifetime. There are some that will stand out in my mind forever and others that won't, just like every other sport in existence. Not every race has a moment like the 1979 Daytona 500 or the 2003 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400 @ Darlington finish or the 2012 race @ Watkins Glen. Those are the type of moments that I watch this sport for. It seems most want those kind of events every week. It ain't happening. As far as looking forward to the next weeks race every week, damn right I do. :cool:
 
robbybee said:
I love that word! Almost as much as I love the words HORSEPUCKY and OBVIOSITY.



So, you would dismiss drivers such as Kyle and Kurt Busch (Las Vegas), Kevin Harvick (Bakersfield), Tony Stewart (Indiana) and Tim Richmond (California) as being irrelevant because they ain't "good ol' boys" from Hicksville? I certainly would not classify any of these drivers as being "Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question..."

That thing got a HEMI??
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" Nascar at its best is blue color and redneck, embrace it, we are not F1 or the dried up country club crap . The masses love the good old boy, and there a lot more intersting than the selected chosen few. Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question, a boring disgusting lot."

How can anyone argue with this? All the best stories are from back in the day when it was redneck racing. It's sad that right now the best show in the series is Keselowski, and he pales in comparison to personalities like Dale, Cale, Roberts, Pearson, etc. Why do you think Tony loves that Brad speaks his mind, but he's so nervous for his future when the nascar/corporate hammer falls? nascar never tried to shut the old timers up because they knew they would have a war on their hands if they did.

Cheers to Greg and his very wise doggies. :cheers:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I can't believe that anyone on here can possibly hate the product as much as they say they do unless they're simply trolling. Maybe I have lower expectations than others but I've seen many great races over my lifetime. There are some that will stand out in my mind forever and others that won't, just like every other sport in existence. Not every race has a moment like the 1979 Daytona 500 or the 2003 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400 @ Darlington finish or the 2012 race @ Watkins Glen. Those are the type of moments that I watch this sport for. It seems most want those kind of events every week. It ain't happening. As far as looking forward to the next weeks race every week, damn right I do. :cool:
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Once again, criticism is intrepreted as hate. Nobody here said they hate anything. This isn't a black and white issue that can be overly simplified as 'love it or hate it'. I would argue that TRUE fans will embrace what needs to be done to help the sport thrive rather than fade away riding the back of a sheep. nascar was magical when they raced a consumer based block, but we can't do that today because of the traditionalist living in the past. If nascar had a problem with anything Kez said, they should take a close look at how they do business. If Brad had the facts wrong, nascar would surely have come out with the correct info. I'll wait to see what else they have to say. I really want to see some REAL reporting and tough questions from the media, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
FenderBumper said:
Once again, criticism is intrepreted as hate. Nobody here said they hate anything. This isn't a black and white issue that can be overly simplified as 'love it or hate it'. I would argue that TRUE fans will embrace what needs to be done to help the sport thrive rather than fade away riding the back of a sheep. nascar was magical when they raced a consumer based block, but we can't do that today because of the traditionalist living in the past. If nascar had a problem with anything Kez said, they should take a close look at how they do business. If Brad had the facts wrong, nascar would surely have come out with the correct info. I'll wait to see what else they have to say. I really want to see some REAL reporting and tough questions from the media, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Holy smokes, calm down Fender they just slapped his wrist, they didnt ban him. :p
 
A good post and questions
One at a time:

Kyle and Kurt are just idiots. Tons of talent and I sympathize with Kyle some, but a lot of immaturity.
Harvick has been toned down, he is long past the in your face times with Biffle a lot of immaturity as well. He is probably my favorite but he also had some lean years, and times.
Tony is a genuine cinsistent bad boy type but he is in the minority.

The drivers are talented today, maybe more than ever before. But the Nascar leash is heavier than ever, and you don't dare challange them, there a bunch controll freaks.

You couldn't muzzle Bobby Allison he was back talking Nascar routinely. Petty didnt but that wasnt his nature, he certainly wasnt on a leash. He led the crowd that left Talladega on a Saturday night prior to the ingural event. According to Bobby Allison, LeeRoy Yarborough punched Bill France out on that day as well. They were an untamed crowd, they ran their own buisness and Nascar couldnt control them like they do drivers today. That point should be obvious to any honest person. If anybody doubts me just study how many people Bobby Allison drove for, I am convinced he was his own boss.

You just dont have as many self made men in racing today, Bobby didnt depend who's butt he was kissing, and the thought of controlling his type wasnt even a credibile thought. Penske needed Allison more than Allison needed Penske.

FF to 2013 and now its how dare this Brad having his own ideas and talking, and just look at the disaproval from some fans. If Brads wrong then I am content to be wrong with thoughts too.
If I am troll, it isnt intentional, but its the same approch I have to racing since 71, no apologies , no changes, but they are my honest thiughts. And I have been aware of being full of sheet, really full for quite some time.






robbybee said:
I love that word! Almost as much as I love the words HORSEPUCKY and OBVIOSITY.



So, you would dismiss drivers such as Kyle and Kurt Busch (Las Vegas), Kevin Harvick (Bakersfield), Tony Stewart (Indiana) and Tim Richmond (California) as being irrelevant because they ain't "good ol' boys" from Hicksville? I certainly would not classify any of these drivers as being "Corporate teet panseys who have no balls to question..."

That thing got a HEMI??
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Greg said:
A good post and questions
One at a time:
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All I can say is that it's a different world today.

Back in the Good Old Days there were 15,000 seats at Bristol Motor Speedway. Just sayin...

To say that all of today's drivers are corporate shills does hold some truth based upon the fact that in order to get and keep their rides, they must acknowledge their sponsors and make their appearances.

You say that Kurt and Kyle are idiots. I think that your opinion may have more to do with the fact that they do not toe the line, so to speak, as do drivers like Eddie Haskell, for example.

My point is that the sport has grown way beyond a south-eastern special interest type of organization, and as times change, personalities (and expectations) must as well!

BTW, didn't Bobby Allison promote his Miller High Life brand in victory lane? Didn't Richard Petty promote Goody's and STP at every opportunity? Acknowledging the entities that allow a driver to race ain't nothing new...
 
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