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Found this interesting. Bold type is my addition. Gives a glimpse maybe into what the drivers think of the fans and their demands for green/white/checkerd finishes, among other things.




Veteran drivers decry volatile state of NASCAR

Derick Moss
Gazette Sports Reporter



LONG POND, Pa. — Stock car racing, from its roots, has been the epitome of hard-charging, ultra-competitive automobile racing.
Rusty Wallace is as hard a charger as they come. But he’s quite sure that the “Chase for the Nextel Cup” is causing a rash of road rage, particularly for those drivers on the fringe of making the final 10-race playoff.

Today’s Pennsylvania 500 is the 20th race of the season. That means there are seven more races to go before the final 10 that constitute a virtual playoff for the series championship.

What the new format has created is a scenario where the top five drivers in points are looking to play it safe, stay in the race and avoid crashes like the plague. Winning may be secondary to just staying on the track at the finish. Drivers in the bottom half of the top 10 or within striking distance of the playoffs are becoming more aggressive, willing to win at all costs and are driving that way. Those out of contention? They may be looking ti help a teammate who is.

Earlier this week, Wallace lit into the sport’s governing body, blasting the new points system as “stupid” and the new green-white-checkered finish as a “recipe for disaster.”

The fans were flamed last Sunday when he, Kasey Kahne and Dale Jarrett - who are all on the outside looking in on the playoff — wrecked in New Hampshire. The 30th-place finish left Wallace 310 points out of 10th place, the cutoff for the championship playoff.

Wallace, a former series champion, says recent rules changes combined with manic racing make this the most volatile season in NASCAR history.

“I’ve been around this sport a long time and I can tell you it’s the most aggressive atmosphere that I’ve ever seen out there,” he said. “It’s an explosive situation and it will only get worse before it gets any better.”

Wallace says the new points system has made the racing too frenetic, and that drivers are putting track position ahead of sportsmanship, safety and clean racing.

“With the new points deal, you’ve got nine or 10 guys doing everything they can to get back into the top 10 in points, and you have four or five guys doing all they can to stay up there in the top 10,” he said. “There’s so much pressure on these guys and these teams that there’s a lot of stupid stuff going on. When you consider that NASCAR has added this new green-white-checkered rule, it’s definitely a recipe for disaster, if you ask me.”

Veteran Terry Labonte, fresh off the 800th start of his career last week, had a few choice words on the green-white-checkered rule, as well.

“All that does is give the guy that’s running second the opportunity to wreck the guy leading,” he said. “Nothing good is going to come out of it. Nobody wants to see these races end under caution, but you don’t need to add laps to the race.

“True race fans don’t like it. The people who come to watch the wrecks love it.”


Veterans like Wallace and Labonte aren’t shy when it comes to criticizing NASCAR. But even some of the younger drivers see the writing on the wall.

Kahne, who’s 14th in the standings and 162 points out of the top 10, was the person Wallace pointed to in the crash last weekend. He, too, acknowledged that the pressure over the next few weeks is especially intense.

“As we come down to the final 10 (races), every lap of every race counts. We’re starting to fee a lot of pressure,” Kahne said. “I hope other drivers don’t get overly aggressive as we get close to the cutoff for the championship. Guys have been driving pretty hard all year, but if people start taking out other cars in purpose so they - or a teammate - can move up in the points, that will be a bad thing.

“Everybody wants to compete for the title in those last 10 races, but everyone’s still got to play fair.”

That’s easier said than done, given the competitive nature of racers.

Kurt Busch, currently sixth in points, is just 50 ahead of 10th-place Ryan Newman and 150 ahead of 11th-place Jeremy Mayfield. He conceded that the pressure this season is mounting as the season runs its course.

“I think I’ve seen two different types of racing. Early on in the season, guys would have a bad day. We got dumped in Talladega and it was like no big deal it was kind of ho-hum,” he said. “But right now we’re in sixth and we don’t have that much of a cushion. So if we were to have a bad day right now, it wouldn’t feel the same.”

.Looking ahead, Wallace believes the next stretch of races before the final 10 could become virtual demolition derbies.

“I think we’re going to see some of the most weird, ridiculous and controversial situations ever in the next seven races,” he said. “I’m against the green-white-checkered finishes I’ve told NASCAR officials that and I don’t mind being vocal about it.”

Some would dismiss Wallace’s comments as sour grapes —- drivers currently in the top 10 haven’t complained about the new playoff too much. But if the next seven races are full of crashes, controversial finishes or worse, Wallace will be a prophet.
 
Actually Jimmie Johnson doesn't appear to be too keen on the new point system either. Which is understandable. Those who would still be in the hunt under the old system and those excluded from the C4C would be against this travesty to racing.
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Aug 2 2004, 09:53 AM
Actually Jimmie Johnson doesn't appear to be too keen on the new point system either. Which is understandable. Those who would still be in the hunt under the old system and those excluded from the C4C would be against this travesty to racing.
He'll run out into a big points lead just to have it taken away from him for the last 10 races, it just doesn't seem fair to me either.
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Aug 2 2004, 08:53 AM
Actually Jimmie Johnson doesn't appear to be too keen on the new point system either. Which is understandable. Those who would still be in the hunt under the old system and those excluded from the C4C would be against this travesty to racing.
Especially with this last win, it looks like he would hard pressed to lose the title under the old system, so he litterally has the most to lose from this deal. :(
 
But remember y'all...consistency doesn't really count anymore. Everybody raised 40 kinds of Hell because of what Kenseth did last year, and all we could hear was how unfair it was. So now we get this. Deal with it. Welcome to the new NASCAR.

Starting to see why I hated it back then?
 
But I'm pretty sure JJ would still win if you took just about any ten race stretch this year...so it's really up to the 48 team to stay consistant.

Like I mentioned in some other post, I think 10 races is enough to equalized a really bad-luck race or really good luck race and still let the 'dominate' racer win.

This thing is Jimmie's to lose in my opinion. Concentrate on those last ten now. Make SURE your stuff is the best NOW for the last 10, rather than scrambling just to make the shootout. Save your stuff and blow em outta the water...Different stategy now.
 
It's Jimmie's to lose under the old system. As is, all he has to lose is 5 points.

You're preaching to the choir here. I despise the system and have since day one. It's completely unfair. But the clamor raised by a certain vocal segment of fandom over last year's outcome got through to the powers that be, and now this is what we have. They wanted Matt to share the rookie of the year award when he won it fair and square. They wanted to cheat him out of the title when he won it fair and square. So now, we have this mess of a system.

NASCAR wants to cater to the new fan. Pretty soon, they and their short attention span will be all they'll have left.
 
EMP, I do believe you just hit that dern nail right on it's head again!!!!!
 
I was insulted by Terry saying I wasn't a true race fan.

I personally think it is pretty weak when you have to result to insults in order to make your point.

I called for a supported g/w/c finishes and I am a TRUE race fan. And Rusty can bite my rear end if he doesn't think so.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Aug 2 2004, 12:17 PM
That was Terry Labonte, not Rusty. For the record.
Thanks. Fixed it. Rusty has been whining about this so much, it just seemed natural.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Aug 2 2004, 12:17 PM
That was Terry Labonte, not Rusty. For the record.
Bold type is my addition................................................................

“True race fans don’t like it. The people who come to watch the wrecks love it.”


So, if the above is correct, then neither Terry nor Rusty said that. :blink:
 
I only made the quote bold type. It remains Terry's qote.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Aug 2 2004, 01:57 PM
I only made the quote bold type. It remains Terry's qote.
Sorry. I just read your statement wrong. ^_^
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Aug 2 2004, 02:57 PM
I only made the quote bold type. It remains Terry's qote.
what's a qote? :lol: :D
 
I mean if you keep within 400 points or the top 10 in the first 20 races fine. but i'd hate to be 1st or 2nd place in th epoints and just see all the people that have a chance now. I mean NASCAR is trying to make it more interesting but it's like the first 20 races were just regular season. and with having so little amount of points between 1st and 10th with 10 races to go if Jimmie johnson wrecks once or twice, his hopes for a championship are done. The new points system is bogus. It should be a 36 race strectch without a stupid 'playoff' in the last 10 races. And the green white checker rule is something NASCAR did for those damn #8 fans when Gordon won under caution at tallegdega i believe. they threw there damn beer cans out onto the track because Dale Jr. didnt win. Rusty is past his prime. I wonder how much longer Penske will keep Rusty instead of getting a up-and coming USAC or truck driver or BUCSH driver.
 
Originally posted by 24thunder+Aug 2 2004, 09:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (24thunder @ Aug 2 2004, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--EatMorePossum@Aug 2 2004, 02:57 PM
I only made the quote bold type.&nbsp; It remains Terry's qote.
what's a qote? :lol: :D [/b][/quote]
tell me i cant spell? :XXROFL: :lol:
 
I personally don't see what the big deal is about this new system. Hey, Jimmie liked it at first, and now he doesn't. Why? ...because he's the points leader. Sure, the leader will hate it, but the rest will love it. Just think... Jimmie was one of the "rest" before he took the point lead, so someone ought to stick their foot in his mouth cause he has no room to talk.

Yeah, he's worked his ass off to get to the top, but lord... either like it or not.

And as far as G/W/C finishes go... I'm all for it expect at Daytona and Talladega. It works in the Truck series, so why wouldn't it work in the Cup series?
 
If Nascar presented Johnson with the cup today he'd still find something to complain about. Rusty Wallaces' youth and better racing days are behind him - he's needs to get used to it.

The point system applies to everyone equally as far as know, so how is not fair?

As for fans who go to races to see wrecks...if they enjoy seeing wrecks - good for them, they paid their money and it's not like they CAUSED the wreck. Last time I watched a race it was the drivers causing the accidents.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever+Aug 3 2004, 01:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lap3Forever @ Aug 3 2004, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -24thunder@Aug 2 2004, 09:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--EatMorePossum
@Aug 2 2004, 02:57 PM
I only made the quote bold type.  It remains Terry's qote.

what's a qote? :lol: :D
tell me i cant spell? :XXROFL: :lol: [/b][/quote]
Nah,I wouldn't do that,I make mistaces all the time :lol: :lol:
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Aug 3 2004, 12:26 AM
I personally don't see what the big deal is about this new system. Hey, Jimmie liked it at first, and now he doesn't. Why? ...because he's the points leader.
That is not a true statement. Actually, Jimmie has not liked the new points system and has said so numerous times.

"I would put the overall points chase back to the way it was last year," said Johnson, who is second in the standings, 58 points behind Dale Earnhardt Jr., heading into Sunday's race at Michigan International Speedway.

Also if this were true then Jimmie would have had plenty of reasons to be for the new points system because

2003 -- Jimmie Johnson instead of Matt Kenseth. Kenseth finishes a distant sixth, 401 points behind Johnson.
 
Originally posted by barelypure+Aug 3 2004, 09:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (barelypure @ Aug 3 2004, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--slick-nick@Aug 3 2004, 12:26 AM
I personally don't see what the big deal is about this new system.&nbsp; Hey, Jimmie liked it at first, and now he doesn't.&nbsp; Why? ...because he's the points leader.
That is not a true statement. Actually, Jimmie has not liked the new points system and has said so numerous times. [/b][/quote]
He was all for it at the beginning of the year.
 
Originally posted by Patrick9999@Aug 3 2004, 07:55 AM
Rusty Wallace's youth and better racing days are behind him - he's needs to get used to it.

The point system applies to everyone equally as far as know, so how is not fair?

Last time I watched a race it was the drivers causing the accidents.
I agree.
1) Rusty needs to let a younger guy take over. You get older and lose some of your skills. They also get rich and that causes them to be less aggressive on the track and in the garage.

2) Everyone knew the new rules before the season. if they didn't like them, why not go to another series? Or retire? They seem like spoiled millionaires to me, sometimes. They fly around in their jets while the fan has to drive in traffic and spend hundreds for admission. I don't feel sorry for 'em.

3) Most incidents are caused by driver error. Some are caused by parts/tire failure.
:ph34r:
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Aug 4 2004, 10:46 AM
If ya watched Speedweeks, you would of seen it.
Since you didn't/can't provide any proof, ponder on this...

Before the CocaCola 600 Jimmie was asked
“DOES THE NEW POINT SYSTEM ALLOW YOU TO TAKE MORE CHANCES?”
“Yeah, it depends on where you’re at in the points. If you’re 400 points out, or around that 400-mark, you’ve got a different race to play. You need to play defense. But with the situation we’re in right now, I feel like we’ve got a little bit of a cushion. I just need to be within 400 and we can take some chances. I guess that’s the way the system was designed. I still believe our sport is based on consistency and I still favor the old point system . But I’m going to take advantage and try to beat the system while I can and while this one’s in place. If it does stick around, I’ll have a good head start on things.”

Link to the article

Now he has said...
ON NEW POINTS SYSTEM -- "I've mentioned this other times. It depends on what angle you're coming from. On the entertainment side, you love this point system and it's going to be interesting all the way to the end. On the competition side, I believe people aren't in favor of it. You race for 36 races a year to determine a champion - long races, long events, and a long season. But then you have a system that really only reflects 10 races. It doesn't make sense to me. I'm not totally in favor of it but it's what it is and I've got to do everything I can to win the championship regardless of the point structure that's in effect."

So as to your statement I'm still calling you out to show me something different... :huh:
 
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