Ford motor company doesn't seem to be too happy with Roush.

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Dustin Long‏@dustinlong Matt Kenseth (via Ford): “In two out of three Chase races something either fell off or broke, so obviously that’s not good.''

@FenderBumper It's via Ford quote sheet sent to media.

Seems odd for Ford to publicly call out their top team.
 
I think that's why they recruited Penske, they gave up on Roush.
 
Just another day in racing, Ford has almost always needing their Kleenexes. In NASCAR the Ford faithful need those Kleenexes dearly, it is one of the few reliable things they can count on. To study the modern day trail of tears would lead you to study Fords racing history in NASCAR. It has been part of the brands culture for well over 40 years. After meeting a Ford fan, and getting past the initial Kleenex times, they will start showing you relics like a carburetor spacer, and tell you how Martin got done dirty. The self-hate and pain is chosen path that has been passed down since their crying over Mopars hemi in the 60s

They truly have been afflicted with long periods of suffering. You have to go back to David Person in a Holman Moody Ford (in a thing called a Torino 1968,69) to see one of their drivers win two consecutive titles in a row, David Pearson is probably considered one the all-time greats because he could consistently do something with a Ford. All while Petty won many for Chrysler, after Mopar fell off in 78, Petty bought a journey mans Chevy from Cecil Gordon and instantly saw his career revived.

If you take the following drivers and measure their record or years in the driving business against the entire Ford Brand it is obvious the each one individually won more titles than all of Ford racing during the same time span.

-Johnson

-Gordon

-Earnhardt

-Petty

-Cale Yarborough

-Darrell Waltrip

In addition to this Ruaty Wallace had won his last title the moment he started racing Fords. Junior Johnson went from a Winston Cup Champ owner (several times with multiple drivers) to giving up on racing after switching to Ford, he even thought Terry Labonte was washed up after watching the former Chevy champ drive a Ford. Thankfully Terry was emancipated from Ford, and able to prove he still could win a title, after returning to a Chevy

So when you encounter a Ford fan be patient with the crying they have the scars and parts falling off their race cars for justification. The term, Screwed and Tattooed (ford) Blue no doubt originated from their racing history.
 
mike honcho said:
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Jack is all washed up. His mentality isn't going to work anymore. They lost Matt, and Jack knows that is a detriment to his company. To bad for him. Have fun fixing the cars that will be wrecked next year.

Matt is going to the top in the 20.
 
This is what I love about the Bow-Tie gang. Once again you have your ties tied to tight and are depriving your brains of oxygen.
 
If it wasn't for the chase, Kenseth and Biffle would still be in competition for the championship. I know that means nothing since the chase is how you win a championship but it's not like they have been bad all year.

Edwards is a different story but I remember hearing a stats somewhere that the runner up for the championship has historically done very poorly since the chase started. I fully expect Edwards to bounce back next year and with Stenhouse on board, if he can compete the way he does in Nationwide, the fire he brings should be a huge boost for them as well.

p.s. I have no allegiance to Ford or any other manufacturer since none of them are truly American anymore.
 
MOEJOE said:
Jack is all washed up. His mentality isn't going to work anymore. They lost Matt, and Jack knows that is a detriment to his company. To bad for him. Have fun fixing the cars that will be wrecked next year.

Matt is going to the top in the 20.
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Carl came along and Jack pushed his best driver aside for cash. I'm sure Carl got a ton of money to resign last year, and I'm sure Jack tried to short change Matt once again, so he walked. I think Jack tried to make Biffle his #1 championship team this year, and it backfired.
 
FenderBumper said:
Carl came along and Jack pushed his best driver aside for cash. I'm sure Carl got a ton of money to resign last year, and I'm sure Jack tried to short change Matt once again, so he walked. I think Jack tried to make Biffle his #1 championship team this year, and it backfired.
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When did he quit, I thought he re-signed. :confused: ;)
 
I have to admit I was just messing around with the smack talk last night.
It would be more accurate to call a generic sprint cup car a Hendricks, Childress, Penske, Gibbs or Rousch today than a Ford, Chevy, Toyota, or Dodge.

I respect Ford for being able to operate without a bailout, and I respect Rousch too. I think Jack is classy, but more technically wired than he is wired to work with people. That is probably the thing that has set Rick Hendrick apart, he has become the successful owner in recent years, because his softer skills or people skills is more polished. Joe Gibbs is probably the only one that comes close in that area, and they have replicated title runs with more than one driver.

And I do realize that Jack won it with two drivers, or with Kurt and Kenseth. But I still think that Jacks ability to win titles suffers more from a lack of the softer personal skills, than his brand identity.

In short I think Hendricks and Rousch would have had similar results in either a Ford or Chevy.
 
Greg said:
In short I think Hendricks and Rousch would have had similar results in either a Ford or Chevy.
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Chevy has always shown an edge in horsepower over Ford. I've never heard it explained. When HMS nabbed Gordon and Ray, Ricks success was assured. That decision leads directly to getting JJ, Jr (money) and Kasey (future). Rick sure knows how to build an organization, and he has way more resources than Jack. But Roger is a multi-Billionaire with a hot young driver and CC. We may learn some things about Chevy vs Ford in the next few years.
 
be9ak7ts16 said:
This is what I love about the Bow-Tie gang. Once again you have your ties tied to tight and are depriving your brains of oxygen.
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Let's look at some numbers and see how deprived we are:)

699 Wins - Most in NASCAR History
35 - Manufacturers Titles - Most in NASCAR history
Car with most wins in NASCAR history- Chevrolet Monte Carlo

More wins, more championships.

As for the For*d camp and Roush, there is no other team building For*d motors or chassis, nobody to compare to or work with. If Roush is missing something, they all are. Dodge has 2 cars and more wins than For*d this year. Brad Keselowski in a Dodge has single handenly out performed the Fo*d camp this year. Chevrolet has won the manufacturers title since 2003 and has a healthy lead this year. That'll put it at a decade since For*d has beat them. I'd be upset to if I was them.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
As for the For*d camp and Roush, there is no other team building For*d motors or chassis, nobody to compare to or work with. If Roush is missing something, they all are. Dodge has 2 cars and more wins than For*d this year. Brad Keselowski in a Dodge has single handenly out performed the Fo*d camp this year. Chevrolet has won the manufacturers title since 2003 and has a healthy lead this year. That'll put it at a decade since For*d has beat them. I'd be upset to if I was them.
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This is why I found Ford's public shot at Roush so interesting. I think Roger will rule the roost in no time. We'll see Penske frames being sold to Ford teams, and Penske-Yates engines within 2 years. Jacks eye is going to pop out and roll across the track.
 
FenderBumper said:
This is why I found Ford's public shot at Roush so interesting. I think Roger will rule the roost in no time. We'll see Penske frames being sold to Ford teams, and Penske-Yates engines within 2 years. Jacks eye is going to pop out and roll across the track.
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Roush hasn't been real stable either. A merger with Fenway to stay a float years ago, sponsorship issues, performance issues and now For*d unhappy:eek:
 
I keep hearing from my Ford friends that Stenhouse is going to be a big help to Roush. I think he will in time , but right now he is racing Elliott Sadler and Austin Dillon . Hardly top Sprint Cup calibur.
 
FenderBumper said:
Chevy has always shown an edge in horsepower over Ford. I've never heard it explained. When HMS nabbed Gordon and Ray, Ricks success was assured. That decision leads directly to getting JJ, Jr (money) and Kasey (future). Rick sure knows how to build an organization, and he has way more resources than Jack. But Roger is a multi-Billionaire with a hot young driver and CC. We may learn some things about Chevy vs Ford in the next few years.
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Lot's of unfounded "facts" in this post. I won't ask that you post sources for your assertions regarding horsepower because you'll get mad.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Lot's of unfounded "facts" in this post. I won't ask that you post sources for your assertions regarding horsepower because you'll get mad.
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Chevy has always shown an edge in horsepower over Ford. I've never heard it explained

Sorry, I was referring to street cars there. In nascar, they are all held close to each other.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Lot's of unfounded "facts" in this post. I won't ask that you post sources for your assertions regarding horsepower because you'll get mad.
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Perhaps it would lessen his blow if you were to post "sources" furthering your declaration that his facts are unfounded. Not a request, just a thought.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Lot's of unfounded "facts" in this post. I won't ask that you post sources for your assertions regarding horsepower because you'll get mad.
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It's hard to have any reliable "sources" on this topic because no manufacturer releases it and it comes from third parties or annonymous sources when it does come out. Last year there was quite a few comments about For*d's new motor. Tony Stewart said after he seen some unreleased #'s it was like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I'm sure they're all pretty close but with the advantages and concessions given to Toy*ta they still probably hold a slight advantage.
 
Roush does a lot of R & D work for ford and other companies, the roof flaps came from Roush. I think racing comes secondary to his other ventures. YMMV

HP being equal fords torque curve used to come in several hundred RPM before a chevys. So why did most short trackers run/ran Chevys?
1) Chevy runs deep:)
2) Performance parts were more readily available, and cheaper, for a Chev vs a Ford
 
mike honcho said:
Has Roger sold the engine shop?
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No. He says he wont close it just yet. I think they may provide engines for Dodge's other series, and possibly truck and NW. I think Roger may have a plan to keep things up and running until he can make his own cup engines.
 
My facts are not straight because my facts machine needs to be cleaned.
 
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