Ford/Roush...Team 0rders

I also heard that SHR has put out a team order to finish first and second. I just knew this stuff was going on...
 
They have been told to ONLY draft with another FORD.....

http://brusimm.com/if-you-ever-wondered-about-team-orders-watch-the-fords-at-talladega/

10 Fords in the field today...Not sure it's going to make that big of a differance....

In this case, I agree with Jack & Ford (Surely they have a hand in this). Ford has worked long and hard to develop the FR9 engine that runs cooler than the others. That makes them the perfect pusher, and the perfect 2nd place finisher, because nobody is looking to PUSH a Ford. Why pass that hard earned advantage to Chevy, Toyota or Dodge simply because guys like Gilliland are thrilled to work with Tony and get a 2nd place finish?
 
DON'T expect to see Hendrick CHEVYS drafting with anyone else either...including the Stewart-Haas teams.
 
Well hopefully if two fords aren't near each other near the end of the race they get hung out to dry. This can really come back to bite them so it's kinda dumb thing for them to do. They should tell them IF you're near a ford then yes draft with them but what if there isn't a ford near by? what are you suppose to do then just not draft.
 
It won't matter because its going to be the 4 and the 83 crossing the line 1-2
 
Lots of talk after the race about the Ford orders. Jeff Gordon was unhappy with Bayne for dropping him at the end of the race. Bayne says he was instructed to, everyone with Roush is denying it.
 
I wish these drivers were free to race with who ever they felt comfortable racing with. IMO the team orders thing sucks. Whether it was Roush not wanting the Fords working with any other manufacturer or the Hendrick, work only with our own, I don't like it. I believe Bayne in this story.
 
Lots of talk after the race about the Ford orders. Jeff Gordon was unhappy with Bayne for dropping him at the end of the race. Bayne says he was instructed to, everyone with Roush is denying it.

Way I heard it was Bayne asked Jeff to push some and Jeff said No, so Bayne looked for someone else to draft with just happened that Kenseth was behind him for the last restart. Can you blame Bayne for going for the Win verses running second to Gordon? Gordon had already stated he would not push Bayne.
Did the hendrick cars push Anyone other than hendrick cars or Hendrick affiliated cars? Not to my knowledge.
 
Way I heard it was Bayne asked Jeff to push some and Jeff said No, so Bayne looked for someone else to draft with just happened that Kenseth was behind him for the last restart. Can you blame Bayne for going for the Win verses running second to Gordon? Gordon had already stated he would not push Bayne.
Did the hendrick cars push Anyone other than hendrick cars or Hendrick affiliated cars? Not to my knowledge.

What was said during the broadcast was that the 24 was looking for a partner after the #5 dropped out. From there the 24 team asked the 21. The 21's reply was "you have to push us if you want to stay up to speed." They stated this is the only way they would work with the 24. When the lined up for the restart the 21 was right behind the 24. It was said during the broad cast that Bayne stated that he remember the way Gordon helped him learn the new style drafting by working with him throughout the Gatorade Duel races, and that he was going to return the favor and push Gordon since they lined up that way. From there the 17 drove in and Gordon was dropped.

I for one am not against "team orders" and working with your team mates...I think that only makes logical sense. However, when it gets down to the end of the race I think you work with who gives you the best shot at a good finish....but that is just me.
 
I for one am not against "team orders" and working with your team mates...I think that only makes logical sense. However, when it gets down to the end of the race I think you work with who gives you the best shot at a good finish....but that is just me.

Exactly! And the 17 was willing to push the 21 where as the 24 was not willing to push the 21.....I can't blame Bayne for going with the 17 at all!
 
Exactly! And the 17 was willing to push the 21 where as the 24 was not willing to push the 21.....I can't blame Bayne for going with the 17 at all!

Gordons only problem was being told yes before the restart, and that kept him from working with another car. I don't think anyone else knew that Ragan blew up and Matt had to go with Bayne. Gordon would have done the same thing for a teammate still in the hunt for a championship.

It didn't turn out so well for Matt, because Bayne couldn't make the moves at the end.
 
Good posting on this from Dave Moody, MRN Radio.....

"Team Orders" Threaten NASCAR

It’s been a tumultuous season for Trevor Bayne.

In February, the 20-year old driver authored one of the biggest upsets in NASCAR history, winning the 2011 Daytona 500 for Wood Brothers Racing. Just a few weeks later, Bayne found himself sidelined by a mysterious ailment that sapped his strength, compromised his eyesight and threatened to end his racing career. Sunday, Bayne found himself an unwitting pawn in a bizarre, “team orders” controversy that earned him the ire of four-time series champion Jeff Gordon and Gordon’s highly vocal fan base.

The dispute stemmed from an edict handed down by Ford Motor Company and Roush Fenway Racing majority owner Jack Roush that prohibited Ford drivers from drafting with non-Ford driving championship contenders Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway. After daylong drafting partner Robby Gordon fell by the wayside late in Sunday’s race, Bayne found himself on Jeff Gordon’s front bumper for the final restart. After first pledging to work with his childhood hero down the stretch, Bayne then abandoned the Hendrick Motorsports driver in favor of fellow Ford pilot Matt Kenseth; a move that relegated Gordon to a 27th place finish and snuffed out his flickering hopes for the 2011 championship.

"I didn't expect him to commit to me on the radio," said Gordon after the race. "I expected him to say, ‘Man, I'm sorry. I can't.' So when he said, ‘Yeah, I'm pushing you. We're good," I believed him.

"I was going to go with (Casey Mears)," added the four-time series champion, "but when Trevor lined up behind me and agreed to (work together), I said, `He's got a fast race car and we have a history of working well together.' I thought it was a no-brainer, but I probably should have known better."

Gordon said Bayne approached him after the race and apologized, saying, "Hey, it wasn't me. That's what I'm being told to do."

"I just think it could have been handled better," Gordon said. "If somebody is going to screw you, you'd like them to say it to your face."

Tony Stewart, who lost preferred drafting partner David Gilliland to the Roush/Ford edict, said the move may produce an unexpected backlash for championship-contending Ford drivers. “Jack Roush went a little crazy… and I think that decision could come back to haunt him,” said Stewart. “There are a lot of guys thinking that if that’s the game he wants to play, we can make his life pretty miserable over the next five weeks, too.”

While Gordon and his fans are rightly upset with Bayne, Ford drivers were not the only ones looking out for their own Sunday. Gordon carried out his own version of “team orders” at Talladega, repeatedly remaining on track under caution in an attempt to prevent point leader (and Roush Fenway Ford driver) Carl Edwards from leading a lap. Fellow Hendrick Motorsports driver Mark Martin did the same.

While NASCAR “team orders” still fall well short of Formula 1 -- where drivers have pulled over and handed victories to championship-contending teammates -- it is clear that Sunday’s race ushered in a new and unsavory era of team and manufacturer collusion.

Bayne displayed his usual candor after the race, saying via Twitter that he was “strong armed” into abandoning Gordon in the final laps. “I would have rather pulled over and finished last than tell (Gordon) I would work with him and then be strong armed into bailing,” he said. “I'm not happy about what this has become. It's too premeditated. We should be able to go with whoever is around.”

After being criticized by fans on the social networking site, Bayne tweeted, “I agree. That's why I'm so sick about all this. I won't race restrictor plate races next year before I'm put in that situation (again).”

NASCAR is the only professional sport where teammates regularly compete against each other. It is also the only sport where opponents assist each other on the field of play. With tens of millions of dollars on the line, it is not surprising that savvy team owners like Jack Roush and Rick Hendrick have adopted an “us first” mentality in an attempt to win.

If only there was a way to make it seem a little less contrived.

From here.
 
After being criticized by fans on the social networking site, Bayne tweeted, “I agree. That's why I'm so sick about all this. I won't race restrictor plate races next year before I'm put in that situation (again).”

That quote speaks highly for this kids integrity.
 
I'm thinking jeff needs more cheese to go with his whine.

I don't care for the team orders either.
 
Exactly! And the 17 was willing to push the 21 where as the 24 was not willing to push the 21.....I can't blame Bayne for going with the 17 at all!

Ok, so either you are alot brighter than me or I missed in that where Gordon said he wouldn't push Bayne. From what they said on TV Bayne decided he would push Gordon based on where they lined up and to "return the favor"....nothing was ever said that Gordon said he wouldn't push Bayne...

On a side note, Bayne admits he was strong armed into what he did..he never said "The 24 wouldn't push me"...so I really don't see where you are getting your side of this story other than twisting it to your liking...
 
I'm thinking jeff needs more cheese to go with his whine.

I don't care for the team orders either.

Yeah like anyone wouldn't be upset if that happened to them....I say all the drivers turn "vanilla" and forget it! lol
 
There's one problem with Gordon's story. He could not talk to Bayne on the radio.

I'm surprised these team orders didn't come out a lot sooner. In watching the last few of these races on plate tracks, that was one of the first things I would think of.
 
Ok, so either you are alot brighter than me or I missed in that where Gordon said he wouldn't push Bayne. From what they said on TV Bayne decided he would push Gordon based on where they lined up and to "return the favor"....nothing was ever said that Gordon said he wouldn't push Bayne...

On a side note, Bayne admits he was strong armed into what he did..he never said "The 24 wouldn't push me"...so I really don't see where you are getting your side of this story other than twisting it to your liking...

I'n conversations between the crewchiefs of the 21 and 24 car well before the last restart Gordon asked for Bayne's help the response from Baynes crewchief was If you'll push us we will help you the 24 crews response was No.
I don't know what was said by the heads in the booth I was listening to scanner traffic. I'll watch the tape tonight and have a better idea what the booth said.
 
I understand you need a partner but why should jeff even expect a Ford to push him?? Weren't there other Chevys nearby? Or was he hoping the rookie would be in awe of him for asking? We're missing something in this story
 
Trevor had pushed Gordon in the spring race and got him up front before Bayne got caught up in an accident.
 
Gordon has been quoted as saying he talked to Bayne. He couldn't, they didn't have radio communucations between the two. Only their crew chiefs could talk.
 
I'n conversations between the crewchiefs of the 21 and 24 car well before the last restart Gordon asked for Bayne's help the response from Baynes crewchief was If you'll push us we will help you the 24 crews response was No.
I don't know what was said by the heads in the booth I was listening to scanner traffic. I'll watch the tape tonight and have a better idea what the booth said.

Fair enough, there was no mention of the 24 saying no on tv...it seemed that they were going to play along to be able to stay up to speed. My only concern was with the 24 starting in front of the 21, how would they pull the switch and stay up to pace in only two laps....

Trevor had pushed Gordon in the spring race and got him up front before Bayne got caught up in an accident.

Yeah, this plus Bayne credits Gordon for helping him get experience in the gatorade duel races. Bayne seemed to think it was a "re-payment" to push the 24.

At the end of the day I am not a fan of the whole "team orders" thing no matter who it is...I feel the same way about the fords in this whole mess as I do about the hendrick camp all running in the back...it is what it is I guess...
 
The thing that Jack and Ford are missing is that they have to race with these guys again. So being self-serving like that will certainly bite them in the ass later. Tony alluded to this.
 
I'm thinking jeff needs more cheese to go with his whine.

I don't care for the team orders either.

LMAO

The team orders wouldn't mean $hit if there was no stupid 2 car tandem racing and every man was out there for themselves. The way it is on every Saturday night local short track in America.
 
So, all of you Gordon fans are all up in arms because Trevor made an agreement with Gordon and then didn't keep his end of the bargain. Did I get that right?

Didn't Jeff make a pact with Casey Mears for drafting and then chit on him to team up with Trevor?
 
So, all of you Gordon fans are all up in arms because Trevor made an agreement with Gordon and then didn't keep his end of the bargain. Did I get that right?

Didn't Jeff make a pact with Casey Mears for drafting and then chit on him to team up with Trevor?

It was said that Casey Mears was thought of but Bayne was a better option...I never heard radio communication between the 24 and 13 teams saying that they were going together.....
 
There's one problem with Gordon's story. He could not talk to Bayne on the radio.

I'm surprised these team orders didn't come out a lot sooner. In watching the last few of these races on plate tracks, that was one of the first things I would think of.

Thats not true....they just played the actual in car radio conversation between Gordon and Bayne on ESPN......You can clearly here Bayne tell Gordon that he WOULD push him......Anyone taking bets on weather the #99 & #17 finish on the lead lap at M'ville.....looool.....The #14 has the stones to tell NASCRAP to f-off as he personally takes as many Fords out as he can.......
 
Bayne has stirred up near as much noise by dropping Gordon for a teammate as he did with the Daytona 500 win.

Of corse he went with Kenseth...Roush signed his pay checks and I didn't exactly see Gordon or any of the HMS cars looking for anyone other than a HMS car all day until they needed to.

Gordon can whine all the way to Martinsvile but are we to believe that he'd have pushed Edwards if he had seen Johnson up front, needing a partener? I highly doubt that!
 
While I don't like these team orders I can understand it. Jack has two of his cars up near the front in this Chase. He is FORD. He wants to see a FORD win the race and the championship. He sure as heck doesn't want to help out the competition.
 
While I don't like these team orders I can understand it. Jack has two of his cars up near the front in this Chase. He is FORD. He wants to see a FORD win the race and the championship. He sure as heck doesn't want to help out the competition.

Team "orders" have been going on for a long time and especially since RP races. Roush may the first to actually come out and publicly state it.

The Chevys boys will get over it...eventually;)
 
Bayne and Gordon, Ford Orders? #21-Trevor Bayne had a wild race, one that was especially weird considering his fourth-place qualifying spot. Bayne was sort of a free agent in the tandem drafting pool. With Ford drivers working under directions that discouraged them from drafting with Chase contenders in other manufacturer camps, Bayne ran much of the day with #7-Robby Gordon. But Bayne wound up in the middle of the upfront drafting pack at the end of the race and was hooked up briefly with #24-Jeff Gordon. They had drafted successfully together at Daytona International Speedway in February as Bayne won the Daytona 500. Bayne broke away from Gordon in the closing miles and after the race tweeted on his Twitter account that he wasn't pleased with the way the race concluded. "I'm not happy about what this has become," Bayne wrote. "It's too premeditated. We should be able to go with whoever is around. I would have rather pulled over and finished last than tell [Gordon] I would work with him and then be strong armed into bailing." Gordon finished 27th.(Ford Racing)
AND Jamie Allison, who oversees Ford's motorsports program in North America, was on Sirius Satellite Radio's "Tradin Paint'' show on Monday afternoon and discussed the issue of if Ford ordered its teams not to work with any other manufacturers at Talladega this past weekend in light of Trevor Bayne leaving Jeff Gordon late in that race and Tony Stewart saying he could not work with David Gilliland because of orders.
Here's what Allison said to the question of if he or Ford ordered its teams not to work with anyone else: "We don't have orders per se. That's how we work with these teams. These are independent teams that choose an affiliate with us as a manufacturer. We have a lot of respect and mutual agreements. We discuss many strategies. We don't mandate. We don't issue orders. I can tell you at the start of the Chase, we reached out to all the Ford teams, I personally did, along with my team and basically said, "Hey, thank you for affiliating with Ford Motor Company. We're very proud of everybody. Hey, these are special times for us. If an opportunity presents itself where you can help a Ford teammate, just please be aware and try to help out. It was just an outreach, a consideration, just be aware that we're in the Chase and we're all part of the big Ford family. No orders. None of what you have been reading around this big plan or big orders. It's none of that. I can tell you guys, it's been a very, very tough and long and hard-fought season. It's been on merit. We've earned all the wins. I wish we could count the almost-wins. It's not just in Cup. You look at Nationwide. We have a strong, strong lead with Ricky (Stenhouse Jr.). We've got the manufacturer's championship that we're contending with there. It's a strong, strong year. It's all because of good preparation, good teamwork and a lot of great teams. We just are reaching out and helping the fellow teammates.''(Virginian Pilot)(10-25-2011)
 
Bayne has stirred up near as much noise by dropping Gordon for a teammate as he did with the Daytona 500 win.

Of corse he went with Kenseth...Roush signed his pay checks and I didn't exactly see Gordon or any of the HMS cars looking for anyone other than a HMS car all day until they needed to.

Gordon can whine all the way to Martinsvile but are we to believe that he'd have pushed Edwards if he had seen Johnson up front, needing a partener? I highly doubt that!

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