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NASCAR giving Gordon a real test by Lee Spencer

"WATKINS GLEN, N.Y. - You can't keep a good racer down.

But if NASCAR has a whipping boy, it would be Robby Gordon. He was clearly jobbed at Montreal, but the pettiness of NASCAR testing its obedience lesson on him at Watkins Glen on Sunday was just vindictive.

With 14 laps remaining in the Centurion Boats at the Glen, NASCAR forced Gordon to line up in the ninth position behind Greg Biffle.

A little background: The No. 16 (Biffle) hadn't moved from 19th position from Lap 50 to Lap 60 while the No. 7 (Gordon) jumped from 27th to 12th in the same period. Through the next four laps, as cars pitted in front of Gordon and Biffle, they moved to eighth and ninth, respectively, in the running order.

When second-place Jeremy Mayfield pitted on the following lap, Kurt Busch moved into second behind leader Jeff Gordon. On Lap 64, third-place Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s engine failed. During that same lap, Caution 5 was called for debris following an altercation between Clint Bowyer and Ryan Newman. Busch, who entered the race seven points ahead of the sidelined Earnhardt, pitted for fuel, was slapped with a "speeding" penalty and was forced to restart 30th on Lap 67.

By then, Gordon had climbed to eighth. One lap later, Kyle Petty's engine failed and Caution 6 flew for oil on the track. Gordon remained eighth throughout the multi-car crash that prompted Caution 7 (which lasted from Laps 74 to 77 and included a 26-minute red-flag period on Lap 76) and led to a shoving match between Kevin Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya.

During the red-flag delay, one of Gordon's crewmen commented over the radio: NASCAR's got a couple of new bad boys to worry about.

But Gordon prognosticated, "I'm sure I'll be on the 'A' list for a while."

Gordon didn't know how right he was. Shock was the first emotion expressed on Gordon's channel when NASCAR tested the team with the directive to cede the No. 7's eighth-place position to Biffle. Then silence.

"I just want to know if that's a new rule," Gordon asked his crew. "Unbelievable. Are you sure they don't want to put someone else in front of me?"

Certainly, the sanctioning body was testing Gordon's willingness to comply Sunday afternoon — after he had repeatedly ignored NASCAR's black flags and instructions to fall back to 13th position late in the Aug. 4 Busch race at Montreal.

According to Kerry Tharp, NASCAR director of public relations, "On Lap 72, the 7 is ahead of the 16, they go down into Turn 1 and the caution comes out. The field is frozen and the 7 has lost a spot to the 16. While he may have been riding ahead of the 16 during the caution, he was placed in his proper postion (behind the 16) before they resumed to green flag racing."

But neither Gordon nor timing and scoring in the media center picked up on the change.

On Aug. 5, Gordon was parked at Pocono, then fined $35,000 and placed on probation with "the stipulation that if, during the remaining NASCAR events in 2007, there is another action by Gordon that is deemed by NASCAR officials as detrimental to stock car racing or to NASCAR, or is disruptive to the orderly conduct of an event, he will be suspended indefinitely from NASCAR."

Screwing with Gordon on a road course is asking for trouble. But Gordon opted for the high road — chicanes and all. He collected himself, reminded the team, "It's their sandbox and we just played in it," then issued the warning: the 16 better be prepared to move over.

Crew chief Gene Nead replied, "Take no prisoners!"

And Gordon did just that. Despite a bad pit stop exacerbated by engine, ignition and brake issues, Gordon easily overtook Biffle and his Roush-Fenway teammate, Matt Kenseth, in short order.

By Lap 80, Gordon had moved up to sixth as the eighth and final caution flag waved after P.J. Jones spun in the inner loop. With eight circuits remaining in the race, Gordon lined up behind Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Denny Hamlin, Carl Edwards and Jimmie Johnson.

After the crew advised Gordon of his position, the driver asked, "They won't make anyone go in front of me?"

Nead answered, "No, but they'd like you to pass the 48 (Johnson), 99 (Edwards) and 11 (Hamlin) before the day's over."

With a challenge from behind by Ron Fellows on Lap 85, who was powered by a Joe Gibbs Racing engine, Gordon relinquished the sixth position. But he remained patient, working diligently with the equipment he had. As the No. 24 (Jeff Gordon) spun out with two laps to go, Robby Gordon regained the sixth position. On the final lap, Edwards pushed a bit too hard and slid into the gravel in Turn 10, opening the door for Gordon to finish a season-high fifth.

"It didn't take long to pass them. I told the guys we would get two or three on the first lap — and that's exactly what we did," Gordon said. "Unfortunately, I used up my brakes trying to get there. I'm not sure what that call was about. Maybe they went all the way back to the start-finish line, but I don't get it.

"My car bobbled and misfired and a couple of 'em made a jump on me, but I passed them all right back in Turn 1. I don't think (Biffle) was ever in front of me, but what are you going to do? Time and again they pull this stuff, what do you want me to do?"

Just keep your helmet held high and race."
 
at least it was a road course and nead made some humor of it. But robby is robby and never know what he'll do even under warning. I mean it's not like he doesnt have any other forms of racing he can finish his career off in. He just has one he likes having main focus on.
 
I agree with most of that, and I do think NQASCAR screwed Robby since it's Robby. Had that been Stewart/J. Gordon/Johnson/Junyer/Keebler/Shrub/Hamlin, that call wouldn't have been made and Mr. Ambrose would've had some 'splainin to do.
 
I agree with most of that, and I do think NQASCAR screwed Robby since it's Robby. Had that been Stewart/J. Gordon/Johnson/Junyer/Keebler/Shrub/Hamlin, that call wouldn't have been made and Mr. Ambrose would've had some 'splainin to do.
so you're saying that NASCAR has special treatment for 1/6th of the field? I don't see how that is possible?



















Oh, i'm sorry, i forgot nascar changed their name to NABFAR- Nat'l Assc of Brian France Auto Racing.
 
I'm not sure if this is the same caution I'm thinking of, but Stewart was sent back to 3rd under a caution when he had passed Hamlin prior to a caution.

I think NASCAR was having some issues with their computer scoring over the weekend. I noticed Robby Gordon was a full second faster than anyone else during final practice. I know he's good on road courses, but a full second faster his hard to believe.
 
I'm not sure if this is the same caution I'm thinking of, but Stewart was sent back to 3rd under a caution when he had passed Hamlin prior to a caution.

I think NASCAR was having some issues with their computer scoring over the weekend. I noticed Robby Gordon was a full second faster than anyone else during final practice. I know he's good on road courses, but a full second faster his hard to believe.
nascar said they can't remove laps from the computer. TV made sure to point that his lap was a second faster because he blew the inner loop
 
I missed that. All I know is I heard Punch refer to Gordon as being the fastest in practice, that was toward the end.
 
The whoile Robby Gordon thing was not about computer scoring. It was about their interpertation of where Robby restarted. When it was Kenseth at Pocono, he had been penalized for spinning Harvick under yellow (or was it reverse?).

The not keeping up to speed gig was official
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NASCAR hasn't looked over and changed the rule because there is no rule needing to be changed. NASCAR plans for the technicalities before-hand. In fact, I'm sure drivers have asked NASCAR about this. The rule went into effect in 2003, I'm 100% sure drivers have been concerned about this - or maybe they weren't because NASCAR had already planned for this and had an exemption from the rule if this incident happens.
 
Do any of you guys realize that Nascar is the ONLY sport played across the United States that DOES NOT publish its own rules online.


Remember when Jeff Gordon got fined and penalized for pushing Matt Kenseth at Bristol similar to what happened between Harvick and Montoya?

Well look at this response from Darby about the Harvick/Montoya incident: "They were discussing things." Said series director John Darby, "I thought it was cool as hell."

Makes me sick. Anyone who does not think Nascar is crooked are out of their minds.
 
Do any of you guys realize that Nascar is the ONLY sport played across the United States that DOES NOT publish its own rules online.


Remember when Jeff Gordon got fined and penalized for pushing Matt Kenseth at Bristol similar to what happened between Harvick and Montoya?

Well look at this response from Darby about the Harvick/Montoya incident: "They were discussing things." Said series director John Darby, "I thought it was cool as hell."

Makes me sick. Anyone who does not think Nascar is crooked are out of their minds.

Had that been anyone else Darby would have fined and penalized that driver.

Conspiracy theory: notice no fines for Montoya? Notice Ambrose got no fines or penalties for spinning Robby under caution? My theory: Nascar is playing to the international drivers. They want the international drivers to do well, therefore more international media, more international fans, more money.
 
I noticed you did not put "more international money" :rolleyes: :p :p

I'm pretty much done with nascar, i'll still watch some of the races, but like i said before i have not been able to get in to like i could pre 2/18/01, after that day i have not been able to watch a race the same.
 
Yeah I meant to say more international money also... that was the point... either way it boils down to money...
 
Anyone who does not think Nascar is crooked are out of their minds.

Just one question for you. Since you obviously believe in your heart that NASCAR has it in for your favorite, and that you obviously detest all that NASCAR stands for, and that you...well we can go on and on about how you hate NASCAR, my question to you is why in the hell do you continue to punish yourself by watching or paying any attention to NASCAR? You know in your heart of hearts that Robby will never get anywhere with NASCAR and that he's only a small fish trying to swim up stream.

If I were you, I'd either take a nap or turn off the TV and radio and computer when it comes to NASCAR and pray that Robby will find a series in which he will be treated with the utmost of curtesy and will be allowed to win once in a while. :rolleyes:
 
Had that been anyone else Darby would have fined and penalized that driver.

Conspiracy theory: notice no fines for Montoya? Notice Ambrose got no fines or penalties for spinning Robby under caution? My theory: Nascar is playing to the international drivers. They want the international drivers to do well, therefore more international media, more international fans, more money.

NASCAR penalizes Juan Pablo for telling someone he's numer 1. NASCAR doesn't penalize Tony for telling the same to Jimmie.

NASCAR just has their favorites: Robby's not on that list (neither is Juan Pablo).
 
Good question buckaroo. I used to be a big baseball fan. I watched most of the Saturday Game of the Week broadcasts on NBC. I watched most of the playoff action and was really into it. But with the constant players' strikes, steroid scandals, a joke of a commissioner, and other factors, I finally lost interest in it. I could care less. Having said that, I don't follow it and I don't pay much attention to it. But I don't get on message boards and complaining about it and ruin it for those that still enjoy it. I have turned my focus toward other things.
 
Good question buckaroo. I used to be a big baseball fan. I watched most of the Saturday Game of the Week broadcasts on NBC. I watched most of the playoff action and was really into it. But with the constant players' strikes, steroid scandals, a joke of a commissioner, and other factors, I finally lost interest in it. I could care less. Having said that, I don't follow it and I don't pay much attention to it. But I don't get on message boards and complaining about it and ruin it for those that still enjoy it. I have turned my focus toward other things.

MRM, you have a good point there and it's something that I agree with, but it just doesn't work for fans of autoracing. We are of a special breed and as such, we are adicted to the racing action and yet we will complain and complain til the horses come home and then we'll complain more. My point to Mr. Robby fan was rhetorical and satorical at the same time. I've been where he's at now and had to deal with my own feelings about this sport. Lord knows that there isn't anyone who's claimed "special privilege" about certain drivers than I have. I've even had friends who have been insiders in the sport who have told me stories that would make you think that nothing in the sport is real, yet I always ask myself, why do I continue to watch it?

I've always said that this sport is the most emotional sport on earth...with the possible exception of football (soccer) for those outside this country, but for those of us here in the good ole' US, you won't see anyone else holding our favorites so high and back them so much.

You know, when the NFL season is 3/4 done, you aren't going to hear those fans of losing teams bitch and moan when they lose another game. Yeah, they might mention the officiating being bad, but after the first 10 games, they know what their team really is like and will root like hell for them, but when they lose, they just hang their heads low and move on to the next game. Not so with NASCAR.

I don't want Robby fan to stop watching the sport, nor do I want him/her to stop their complaining. It's all part of the event and it sure as hell gives us all something to talk about. But what I want to tell the type of fans that Robby fan is, is to just remember, what you see is what you get and it isn't going to change...never. And that is by and large, what makes this sport as exciting as it is.
 
Agreed. But if you don't like one form of racing or one particular series, then find another one to follow. Before the CART-IRL split, I used to watch all the CART races and follow it fairly closely. The split turned me off the series. I may have watched part of four or five races since then. I probably would have done that even without the split because I rekindled by love for dirt late model racing.
 
Do any of you guys realize that Nascar is the ONLY sport played across the United States that DOES NOT publish its own rules online.


Remember when Jeff Gordon got fined and penalized for pushing Matt Kenseth at Bristol similar to what happened between Harvick and Montoya?

Well look at this response from Darby about the Harvick/Montoya incident: "They were discussing things." Said series director John Darby, "I thought it was cool as hell."

Makes me sick. Anyone who does not think Nascar is crooked are out of their minds.

The 2 incidents don't compare. Jeff got out of his car in a fit of rage went over to Matt and shoved him so hard he almost went down. Harvik and Montoya were just toying with each other like little girls.
 
The 2 incidents don't compare. Jeff got out of his car in a fit of rage went over to Matt and shoved him so hard he almost went down. Harvik and Montoya were just toying with each other like little girls.

Actually the Gordon/Kenseth thing wouldn't have happened if Matt hadn't come over to Jeff as soon as he got out of his car. All he had to do was let him cool down first. I think Kenseth should have been fined also for aproaching Gordon.
 
Actually the Gordon/Kenseth thing wouldn't have happened if Matt hadn't come over to Jeff as soon as he got out of his car. All he had to do was let him cool down first. I think Kenseth should have been fined also for aproaching Gordon.

gimme a break:rolleyes:
 
Actually the Gordon/Kenseth thing wouldn't have happened if Matt hadn't come over to Jeff as soon as he got out of his car. All he had to do was let him cool down first. I think Kenseth should have been fined also for aproaching Gordon.

How old are you again?

Thats absolutely ridiculous.

That just proves that Jeff Gordon fans are worse than Junior fans, lol.
 
I herein fine everybody whom posted on pages 2 and 3 of this topic 50 dollars per argumentaive post due to rules infractions which have been ruled as detrimental to the kindly and sane discussion of the board.
 
Oh sorry, i guess that's what happens when i hand Brian the keyboard....
 
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