France And Germany

[paul]

I understand their frustration for being kept out of the loop by Bush. I mean you can't really trust the country that thrust the world into WWII or the country that we singlehandedly helped survive WWII...but why must they act like such spoiled babies?

The fact that the residents of these countries believe the BS that they're countries are standing up against Bush on "moral reasons" is pretty funny. If they think that their leaders are simply waving their minute manhoods into the air because they are "fighting the good fight" against the evil Bush they are mistaken.

If anything, their leaders are working on agendas of quests for power and greed more than Bush is. They are just hiding behind their own self perpetuated propoganda of "respecting the UN". When all it really is about is their own desire to be a world player, when they are anything but.

I'd even go so far as to say their current actions of leaving, Turkey, a country the vowed to protect during times of conflict, as an act of terrorism and a direct violation of the agreements they are falsley "holding" us to.

They are hypocrites and liars, and their naive bleeding heart sheep that call themselves "citizens of the free world" are nothing but apologists...being led by the hearts down a path they will soon regret.

 

[paul]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/11/...wrap/index.html

In case anyone is wondering what the hell I'm on about.

 

[smack500]

If they actually beleived in peace it would be a diffrent story, just seems to me there useing this situation to help there popularity. This is politics though, our own president does it what do we expect from others.

 

[paul]

Our president's morals need no questioning...he's been very clear where his morality is.

 

[smack500]

I have a hard time believing, bush would be doing the same thing he is, if 86% of the country was not backing him up. He has done things to help his popularity before, person does not change overnight.


But lets not get into this again, the point is we both seem to agree, what france and germany is doing is just wrong.

 

[fergy1370]

From what I understand, seems like most of the lower class in France are Muslim......could this have anything to do with the way France is thinking?


Bet on it.

 

[paul]

Nah.

France has billions invested in Iraq. Their companies and a small measure of their economy is rather tied up in Saddams continued existence. They built their nuclear reactors in the 80s that Israel ended up bombing into nothingness. France's actions are less than noble in all of this. They are this lanyard ox being led about by financial self importance.

 

[fergy1370]

They are still a bunch of (insert adjective here and here.)

 

[paul]

A tiny insignificant country trying to wave it's minute manhood around that's for sure.

 

[TN-Ward-Fan]

Originally posted by paul@Feb 11 2003, 06:03 PM
A tiny insignificant country trying to wave it's minute manhood around that's for sure.

Now THERE'S a visual I coulda done without...

 

[paul]

I just find it funny that these countries accuse us of going to war for oil, when that's the farthest from the truth. The truth is that these countries have their lips wrapped around Iraq's oil and are afraid to lose the sweetheart deals they have.

Who's actions are based on oil?

 

[Mopardh9]

Paul you hit the jackpot on that one, that is exactly what the whole thing is based on. France is afraid they are going to lose their investments in Iraq... oil business ventures that is what it all comes down to.

 

[mngopherguy]

Originally posted by paul@Feb 11 2003, 05:41 PM
I just find it funny that these countries accuse us of going to war for oil, when that's the farthest from the truth. The truth is that these countries have their lips wrapped around Iraq's oil and are afraid to lose the sweetheart deals they have.

Who's actions are based on oil?

Both of us.

 

[paul]

Originally posted by mngopherguy@Feb 12 2003, 02:17 AM
Both of us.

Don't you think that if it were about oil for us, we would just go invade Mexico or some of the other major oil producing South American countries?

 

[fergy1370]

Originally posted by paul+Feb 12 2003, 10:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (paul @ Feb 12 2003, 10:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--mngopherguy@Feb 12 2003, 02:17 AM
Both of us.

Don't you think that if it were about oil for us, we would just go invade Mexico or some of the other major oil producing South American countries? [/b][/quote]
We can't invade Mexico, they have already invaded us.

 

[majestyx]

Originally posted by fergy1370+Feb 12 2003, 09:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Feb 12 2003, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -paul@Feb 12 2003, 10:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--mngopherguy

@Feb 12 2003, 02:17 AM
Both of us.

Don't you think that if it were about oil for us, we would just go invade Mexico or some of the other major oil producing South American countries?

We can't invade Mexico, they have already invaded us. [/b][/quote]
Ain't that the truth, fergy!

 

[TN-Ward-Fan]

Originally posted by fergy1370@Feb 12 2003, 10:23 AM

We can't invade Mexico, they have already invaded us.

Truer words have ne'er been spoken.

 

[mngopherguy]

Originally posted by paul+Feb 12 2003, 09:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (paul @ Feb 12 2003, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--mngopherguy@Feb 12 2003, 02:17 AM
Both of us.

Don't you think that if it were about oil for us, we would just go invade Mexico or some of the other major oil producing South American countries? [/b][/quote]
I'm not saying its the only reason, but I do think its on the list. Our actions towards Iraq don't seem to comply with what we do to other countries without the oil. That is why I question it. I also think its on France's and Germany's as well. I don't trust Germany at all, I know too much about history.

 

[mngopherguy]

Originally posted by majestyx+Feb 12 2003, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Feb 12 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -fergy1370@Feb 12 2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by -paul@Feb 12 2003, 10:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--mngopherguy

@Feb 12 2003, 02:17 AM
Both of us.

Don't you think that if it were about oil for us, we would just go invade Mexico or some of the other major oil producing South American countries?

We can't invade Mexico, they have already invaded us.

Ain't that the truth, fergy! [/b][/quote]
Definitely the truth! Ever wonder how many illegals are in the US? I know plenty of them have been caught even here in Minny, I can't imagine how it is in say Texas!

 

[majestyx]

I have to at least 5 hispanic persons per week that we can't hire them because they cannot provide me with documentation that they are able to work in the U.S., hence they have never been inside the INS office. If we are caught hiring them then we are fined $$$$ and they are supposedly deported. It probably takes them less than 24 hours to re-enter the U.S. border.

 

[fergy1370]

See if you can set up a sting with INS. I know that some of the INS guys are gung-ho about doing things like that around here...

 

[Guido]

Originally posted by Mopardh9@Feb 11 2003, 08:22 PM
Paul you hit the jackpot on that one, that is exactly what the whole thing is based on. France is afraid they are going to lose their investments in Iraq... oil business ventures that is what it all comes down to.

I believe it is more than just oil and "investments."

When we finally clean out that rat's nest, I believe that we will find that Germany and France are the leading exporters of materials that Iraq uses to make it's weapons. And they will also find that both countries have ignored the embargos and penalties and have done everything that is contrary to the UN resolutions.

This is what Geramny and France is afraid of and that is why they don't want a war.

I have no proof..... just a hunch judging from the past histories of both countries.


Guido

 

[fergy1370]

Wouldn't that be interesting.......

 

[mngopherguy]

Originally posted by majestyx@Feb 13 2003, 09:29 AM
I have to at least 5 hispanic persons per week that we can't hire them because they cannot provide me with documentation that they are able to work in the U.S., hence they have never been inside the INS office. If we are caught hiring them then we are fined $$$$ and they are supposedly deported. It probably takes them less than 24 hours to re-enter the U.S. border.

I knew it was bad, not sure I wanted to know this. Sounds even worse than I imagined

 

[paul]

And if any politicians dare try and stop this, they get called racists by the dems and end up backing off.

 

[Mopardh9]

That was what i was refering to when i said business ventures(I should of put it in quotations), yes it is true i read it more than once that France and Germany have their fingerprints all over Iraq weapons. Yes they are afraid of being implicated, I ask now why do we even consider either one of then an country we can depend on or trust , surely we wouldn't want them covering our butt in time of war!!!!!!