Furniture Row Gets Cucumbered

So this guy had some cheated up parts and the 18 was faster, what does that say about the 18 ?
 
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If the legal 18 car had more speed, why would anyone with a Gibbs car cheat to run slower?
 
Hell yeah, Larson's cucumber is somewhat negated now.
 
Taco said:
So this guy had some cheated up parts and the 18 was faster, what does that say about the 18 ?
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It means nascar can't find how they are cheating....even newer cheating technology
 
Love this part of the sport. Gonna be interesting as hell in Michigan. I will be watching the 78 very closely. He slows down, we all know why.

Fordracing7 said:
If ones doing it the other is as well I bet
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To a degree....My read is that they went super aggressive on Erik because he has to win.

Taco said:
So this guy had some cheated up parts and the 18 was faster, what does that say about the 18 ?
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That he is scary fast. Scary. Oooooooooooo
 
Revman said:
Love this part of the sport. Gonna be interesting as hell in Michigan. I will be watching the 78 very closely. He slows down, we all know why.
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The sofa company gets it cars from Jibbs.
 
Taco said:
The sofa company gets it cars from Jibbs.
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Yeah, but they are two separate teams. One has Pearn. One doesn't. David Wilson referred to him as FRR's "secret sauce."
 
Why the hell can't NASCAR go into detail, and let us know what they are doing? I mean, come on, it would be very interesting. What the hell are they afraid of? It's a secret.....juvenile.
 
Revman said:
Why the hell can't NASCAR go into detail, and let us know what they are doing? I mean, come on, it would be very interesting. What the hell are they afraid of? It's a secret.....juvenile.
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"... found the Furniture Row Racing car violated the rule on truck trailing arm spacers/pinion angle shims."

How much more detail do you want?
 
Revman said:
Why the hell can't NASCAR go into detail, and let us know what they are doing? I mean, come on, it would be very interesting. What the hell are they afraid of? It's a secret.....juvenile.
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Whatever it was it's the same as the 22 was doing
 
Revman said:
Why the hell can't NASCAR go into detail, and let us know what they are doing? I mean, come on, it would be very interesting. What the hell are they afraid of? It's a secret.....juvenile.
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same thing you have been carping about on the 22 all year long. rear skew. ;)
 
Revman said:
Love this part of the sport. Gonna be interesting as hell in Michigan. I will be watching the 78 very closely. He slows down, we all know why.

To a degree....My read is that they went super aggressive on Erik because he has to win.
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That could be, Rev, but remember this... the 78 did not get inspected at the R&D Center. So it may have been exactly the same as the 77.

One more thing to remember... after the Richmond race, the 22 failed tech but the 2 passed tech (both were sent to R&D Center). But despite the 2 car passing that inspection, that marked the beginning of a long period of both the 2 and the 22 being pretty slow on track.

So my guess is, both 77 and 78 have to change their approach to rear skew, just like 2 and 22 had to do. My further guess is, the Gibbs cars are running the same set-up as FRR, and will have to change that too (gut feel and some logic, but no evidence).
 
Ol Joe hamstrings the 78's pit crew and then slips the 77 team some "special" rear end spacers and blows away their crew chief for two races. I'm sure Joe has a replacement crew chief in mind.:D:p
 
So I wonder, now that FRR has a cucumber, what are they gonna do with it?, are they going to use it to make pickles?
 
LewTheShoe said:
That could be, Rev, but remember this... the 78 did not get inspected at the R&D Center. So it may have been exactly the same as the 77.

One more thing to remember... after the Richmond race, the 22 failed tech but the 2 passed tech (both were sent to R&D Center). But despite the 2 car passing that inspection, that marked the beginning of a long period of both the 2 and the 22 being pretty slow on track.

So my guess is, both 77 and 78 have to change their approach to rear skew, just like 2 and 22 had to do. My further guess is, the Gibbs cars are running the same set-up as FRR, and will have to change that too (gut feel and some logic, but no evidence).
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Good points, but I don't know that the sharing between JGR and FRR is not as cozy as we might expect (JGR likes to keep its stuff to itself as noted by @Allenbaba). In this context, I really think that JGR's stuff is probably different (maybe more or maybe less legal). I agree with you 100% about your analogy between the 2/22 and 77/78. My gut kind of tells me that the 78 has been so freakin' dominant all year that NASCAR has had plenty of justifiable chances to catch them. Given that they haven't, I think that maybe they tried another step on the 77 (and I agree with you the 78 possibly as well). Some are repulsed by all of this. I find it fascinating as hell.

Charlie Spencer said:
"... found the Furniture Row Racing car violated the rule on truck trailing arm spacers/pinion angle shims."

How much more detail do you want?
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Fair question....I want Tim Brewer or Larry Mac to break it down for me. Who comes up with this stuff? How is it communicated to the car chief? What didn't happen (movement, expansion of parts, etc.) that made this car illegal post race. I want the behind the scenes stuff. You know that these retired crew chiefs (i.e. Letarte) know how all of this works. Spill it. I think that this stuff gets snuffed out because of all of these wussy fans that don't understand this part of the sport. In today's candy ass world, younger fans might be upset over "cheating." ....and we all know NASCAR is chasing the younger fan.

StandOnIt said:
one can hope to hear "I wonder what happened to all 6 of the factory Toyota's speed?". :p:D
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It might happen.......

StandOnIt said:
same thing you have been carping about on the 22 all year long. rear skew. ;)
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....isn't just me.....it's been all over the media....more intensely now that the 22 is in dire straits playoff-wise.

Fordracing7 said:
Haha this is true...
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Absolutely true. What was the 77 doing that was different that made them believe that they wouldn't get hammered like the 22?
 
Revman said:
Absolutely true. What was the 77 doing that was different that made them believe that they wouldn't get hammered like the 22?
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Haha nothing they all risk it. Some just find it faster and in different ways.
 
I don't have a lot of faith in the R&D department or whatever they call it when they take a car apart. I watched a bit of them doing it and nobody had a set of mics in their hands, didn't see any dyno's and surly no wind tunnel in sight. They blunder on to some things. Makes sense to me why teams continue to do the same tricks? couldn't catch fans running backwards? or no telling how long Larson had hoses going every which way.
 
Haha. Caught cheating in a race and didn't even win.
 
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Kurt is going to the 77, maybe big brother can help quell the dissention with the 18 and FRR
 
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