Get rid of the inversion in the Winston?

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Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to get rid of the inversion at the winston, to prevent sandbagging, sorta like #48 did this time?
 
I think they should get rid of it. To me its just like stopping any other real race, like the one coming up this sunday and inverting the field with 20 laps left. Rediculous.
 
It really doesn't matter to me, but I personally think there is no problem with it...Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart had the 2 best cars probably and Jimmie was just about to be bound to get up there.
 
Originally posted by ward22@May 19 2003, 08:58 PM
It really doesn't matter to me, but I personally think there is no problem with it...Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart had the 2 best cars probably and Jimmie was just about to be bound to get up there.
yeah. but Jimmy admitted to laying back, if this keeps up there will be a race for last place :lol:
 
I was watching Inside winston cup on speed tonight and Mikey actuallyhad a pretty good idea. Instead of inverting the field, have the top 10 or however many nascar wants and draw for a position(like they draw for do for qualifying order) in the last segment.
 
I say get rid of the whole race.It's just a sham anyway.Geoff Bodine first did the 'drop-back' to get a good starting position years ago.I didnt like the Winston then,don't like it now.
 
Back in the day the drivers ran the Winston to win by running up front, now its all about the money.
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger+May 19 2003, 11:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bucky Badger @ May 19 2003, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ward22@May 19 2003, 08:58 PM
It really doesn't matter to me, but I personally think there is no problem with it...Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart had the 2 best cars probably and Jimmie was just about to be bound to get up there.
yeah. but Jimmy admitted to laying back, if this keeps up there will be a race for last place :lol: [/b][/quote]
You ever watch a slow tractor race? Them ole two-banger John Deer can go sloooooooooooooow. But the race is plum silly inverting the field. Why penalize the fast cars?
 
Once a year i enough!, the tv coverage was vpoor there were to many adverts and they kept on missing restarts!. It was a shame that waltrip lost a few places in the last couple of laps :(
:salute:
 
Get rid of it! What purpose does it really serve? Lets make the best car have to fight it's way all the way through the field...kind stupid to me.
 
Originally posted by boogityboogityboogity@May 20 2003, 05:54 AM
Once a year i enough!, the tv coverage was vpoor there were to many adverts and they kept on missing restarts!. It was a shame that waltrip lost a few places in the last couple of laps :(
:salute:
I have to agree that the coverage was not good. They focused on the transfer position early, but when it mattered they just played follow the leader. They also did not have any idea of which lap was actually the last lap. After the Rudd pass of Rusty, it took almost 10 minutes to tell us who finished where.

I like the winston. It is the all-star game for these drivers. You have to win to get in. That is good recognition for them. They do need to do away with the fan voting of the inversion. I like getting the fans involved with the starting order. Maybe match a fan with a driver and have them roll dice or pick a name out of a hat or something. I think the main point of the inversion is to try to create more "racing". It is no fun to see a car get out front and just check out.
 
Originally posted by EJL+May 19 2003, 10:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (EJL @ May 19 2003, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Bucky Badger@May 19 2003, 11:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--ward22
@May 19 2003, 08:58 PM
It really doesn't matter to me, but I personally think there is no problem with it...Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart had the 2 best cars probably and Jimmie was just about to be bound to get up there.

yeah. but Jimmy admitted to laying back, if this keeps up there will be a race for last place :lol:
You ever watch a slow tractor race? Them ole two-banger John Deer can go sloooooooooooooow. But the race is plum silly inverting the field. Why penalize the fast cars? [/b][/quote]
The winner of the segment gets like 50 thousand, and It makes things more interesting for the fans when the fastest has to work his way back up to the front... :)
 
I really don't care for the Winston, i'd rather see that date used for another race at a new track,but it will continue to be part of Nascar for the forseeable future. Maybe having 2 heat races then a feature would be better than this inversion thing. Run 2 heats 21 cars in 1 heat, 22 cars in the other heat 10 cars make it from each heat. For the feature they draw #s for their starting positions, just like the local Saturday night racing. Heats could be 30 laps no laps counting under the caution. The feature could be 75 laps, no laps counting under cautio,allowing for a pit stop...just an idea. B)
 
get rid of the inversion, if they want to mix up the field for the last segment, make them all pit for 4 tires and who ever gets out fastest gets the lead...then the pit crews would be a little more involved at the end....
 
If you think about it, each prelim is a qualifier for the next race. If you ask me, the pole winner starts from the pole.
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger@May 20 2003, 02:02 AM
[QUOTE yeah. but Jimmy admitted to laying back, if this keeps up there will be a race for last place ]QUOTE


Jimmy admitted laying back and the same scenario has been going on for years. Nearly every driver has done it at one time or another but does that make it right?

Who knows, as long as the fans vote the result will always be the same, invert the top ten.

Kurt Busch was exciting to watch as he came up through the field but guaranteed, if "The Winston" format stays the same and Kurt gets older, he too will take the advantage over the fight. It is called racing maturity.
 
If they want to get the fans involved ---

Before the last segment, pull 14 fans from the stands, match them to a car, and have them pull a number out of a hat. That number indicates where "their" car starts.
 
They need to come up with a better vote. You always know people are going to vote to invert as many cars as possible, so what's the fun in that.

Here's my new vote:

a). Invert the field
B). Have the drivers trade cars with another driver
c). Drivers in the top 5 race blindfolded
d). All drivers start backwards.
e). Enough racing, let's have a burnout competition!

hehe.
 
Originally posted by rpmallen@May 24 2003, 09:44 AM
They need to come up with a better vote. You always know people are going to vote to invert as many cars as possible, so what's the fun in that.

Here's my new vote:

a). Invert the field
B). Have the drivers trade cars with another driver
c). Drivers in the top 5 race blindfolded
d). All drivers start backwards.
e). Enough racing, let's have a burnout competition!

hehe.
Now thats the greatest idea I have ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :p :D
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger+May 20 2003, 02:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bucky Badger @ May 20 2003, 02:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--ward22@May 19 2003, 08:58 PM
It really doesn't matter to me, but I personally think there is no problem with it...Jimmie Johnson and Tony Stewart had the 2 best cars probably and Jimmie was just about to be bound to get up there.
yeah. but Jimmy admitted to laying back, if this keeps up there will be a race for last place :lol: [/b][/quote]
I agree. 50 grand aint a hole lot of money for most of those drivers. So why use your car up in the second segment when you can hang back and start up front. That way you can use the car up for 1mill instead of a puney 50 thousand.
 
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