GM/Chrysler Merger?

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Chrysler, GM discuss merger, acquisition: General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have held preliminary talks about a merger or an acquisition of Chrysler by GM, according to published reports. The Wall Street Journal, citing people it described as familiar with the discussions, reported that Cerberus Capital Management, the private equity firm that owns 80.1 percent of Chrysler and 51 percent of GMAC Financial Services, proposed trading Chrysler's automotive operations to GM. The Journal said Cerberus would receive GM's remaining 49 percent stake in GMAC. The New York Times, also citing people familiar with the talks, reported that the automakers were discussing a merger. The Times did not mention GMAC, a traditional auto lender hit hard by the housing market downturn. The talks have stalled because of the recent turmoil in the financial markets, according to the Journal. Its sources said negotiations could resume if markets stabilize because both GM and Cerberus want to quickly divest the assets under discussion.(Associated Press/Yahoo), no idea how this would affect Dodge or Chevy in NASCAR.(10-11-2008)
 
Latest on the possible GM-Chrysler merger: the ragged U.S. economy and slumping car sales are leading General Motors to the brink of what looks like a buyout of Chrysler, which has NASCAR’s 11 Dodge teams [#'s 2,7,9,10,12,19,41,42,43,45,77] on pins and needles. One Detroit source says he senses the merger as inevitable and says that merger could really shake up the NASCAR garage, because rival car makers GM, Ford and Toyota may be quite unlikely to want to pick up any new NASCAR teams. George Gillett has been looking at buying Bill Davis’ Toyota team and becoming a three-team Toyota operation; however there now appears to be a major stumbling block to any such move by Gillett – Toyota itself. There are also worries that when the 2009 season dawns at Daytona there will be only 30 teams with full-time non-factory corporate sponsorship.(Winston Salem Journal)(10-25-2008)
 
I told ya' ;)

GM, Chrysler request $10 billion in aid: sources

NEW YORK/DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp and Cerberus Capital Management have asked the U.S. government for roughly $10 billion in an unprecedented rescue package to support a merger between GM and Chrysler LLC, two sources with direct knowledge of the talks said on Monday.

The government funding would include roughly $3 billion in exchange for preferred stock in the merged automaker, according to one of the sources, who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The U.S. Treasury Department is considering a request for direct aid to facilitate the merger and a decision could come this week, sources familiar with the still-developing government response said earlier on Monday.

An injection of $3 billion in equity to support a GM acquisition of Chrysler would be roughly equivalent to the current, depressed value of the top U.S. automaker.

It would also give U.S. taxpayers a large stake in the turnaround of a struggling auto industry that employs over 350,000 American workers and is credited with supporting employment for another 4.5 million in related fields.

Analysts see GM, Chrysler and rival Ford Motor Co having been driven to the brink of failure by a combination of management missteps, slowing global growth and problems in credit markets.

In addition to its equity stake, the U.S. government is also being asked to provide support for the GM-Chrysler merger by taking over some $3 billion in pension obligations under the terms of a proposal now before the government for review, the first source said.

The final component of the proposed support package would be a credit line that could include U.S. government purchases of commercial paper issued by GM to relieve short-term pressure on liquidity, the person said.

A combined GM-Chrysler would control roughly a third of the U.S. auto market by sales and would face immediate pressure to cut costs stemming from excess capacity in almost every facet of its business. Those would include a stable of 11 brands, roughly 10,000 dealers and some 97,000 union-represented factory workers, analysts have said.

But one of the conditions of the merger would be that GM-Chrysler would spare as many jobs as possible in order to win broad political support for the government funding needed to complete the deal, people familiar with the merger discussions said.

GM could not be immediately reached for comment. Cerberus and Chrysler had no comment.

The roughly $10 billion to support the GM merger with Chrysler would be in addition to whatever funds would be allocated to the automaker under an already approved $25 billion program to provide low-interest loans to the industry for retooling to make more fuel-efficient cars.

(Additional reporting by David Bailey)

© Thomson Reuters 2008 All rights reserved
 
Seems to me

If these huge companys fail and are purchased on the auction block the product of the new owner COULD BE priced considerably lower... But shorei'n the failing company up with taxes will only cause more of the same poor performance from THAT company..
If little folks like US must take bankruptcy, why not EVERYONE?
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
If these huge companys fail and are purchased on the auction block the product of the new owner COULD BE priced considerably lower... But shorei'n the failing company up with taxes will only cause more of the same poor performance from THAT company..
If little folks like US must take bankruptcy, why not EVERYONE?
Betsy:rolleyes:
Careful Betsy, you're starting to sound like a Democrat. :eek:

Or maybe, you're starting to sound like a Libertarian-leaning Conservative like me and not the Totaltarian Right Wing that currently dominates much of our party (The Republican Party).

Either way, that's bad and your party is going to loathe you much more than the Democratic Party is going to loathe you. :eek:
 
UPDATE - more on merger: With the American automotive industry trying to become relevant again, the news that General Motors and Chrysler are discussing a merger has led to some concern in the garage area. And while no one believes the loss of one of the circuit's four automakers would be a devastating blow, two officials that I spoke to acknowledged that it wouldn't be an easy road to travel either.
"You deal with it when it happens," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president of competition. "We didn't always have four manufacturers; we didn't always have three. We used to just have GM and Ford. One of the things to always remember is we have drivers, crews and team owners. We make rules and regulations on the cars that are out there available to drive."
"We're not trying to be smug about it," he added, "but they are basically big sponsors. We didn't have any manufacturer participation in the late 1970s -- virtually none. Junior Johnson had a decent Chevy deal at the time and Richard Childress lived off that quite a bit. The Pettys were independent. They would run an Oldsmobile on one track and a Chevrolet Monte Carlo on another one and a Chevy Caprice on another. Kyle Petty would run a Dodge Charger. That was all out of the same stable."
Added NASCAR's Jim Hunter, "The questions to be asked would be what models? Would they pick a car? Would it be Chevrolet or Dodge or would they run both? We have no idea. In the history of this sport, manufacturers have been in and out all the time, going back to 1957 when AMA banned motorsports participation by the manufacturers. In 1964, Big Bill France banned the Chrysler Hemi engines, so it was all Fords. But I still think what wins on Sunday sells on Monday, even in a weakened economy. People relate to what they drive and what their favorite driver drives. That's a given."
"I would not like to see this with no factory participation," Hunter added, "because both the dollars and the support they give the teams help drive the economical engine. However, we have raced before with no manufacturer support before. When there is no manufacturer support, teams will pick a car that is the best car out there. Hopefully, this will eventually work its way out, as it always has. Some may make it and some won't."(Sports Illustrated)(10-30-2008)
 
Everyone's falling under but the g.d. oil companies are still recording record profits.:mad:

And Evan Knoll still isn't in jail!:mad::mad::mad:
 
Andy, you could have gone all day without adding that. Do you know the 10 commandments?

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Everyone's falling under but the g.d. oil companies are still recording record profits.:mad:
Andy, you might want to check on that. Exon Mobile might still be making a good profit but they paid out a record tax for this last quarter, something like $32 million, that's for three months. That money does go into the governments coffers you know and if they made more money, that figure would be even higher.
 
Andy, you might want to check on that. Exon Mobile might still be making a good profit but they paid out a record tax for this last quarter, something like $32 million, that's for three months. That money does go into the governments coffers you know and if they made more money, that figure would be even higher.
I don't feel to bad for them there either. ;)

Between gas prices being so high (as compared to under $2/gal. where they should be based on supply and demand and other tax laws) and the Wall Street CEOs, I don't feel any pity for the taxes they pay.

Also, keep in mind that businesses don't pay taxes. You, as a Republican, should know that businesses just incorporate their taxes into the cost of their product essentially passing them down to the consumer.
 
I don't feel to bad for them there either. ;)

Between gas prices being so high (as compared to under $2/gal. where they should be based on supply and demand and other tax laws) and the Wall Street CEOs, I don't feel any pity for the taxes they pay.

Also, keep in mind that businesses don't pay taxes. You, as a Republican, should know that businesses just incorporate their taxes into the cost of their product essentially passing them down to the consumer.

That's what I've been trying to tell the lot of you. Raising corporate taxes only increases the price everyone pays for those goods, whether it be a gallon of gas or a snickers bar.
But then the gas companies average around 5 cents profit on each gallon while the taxes will run anywhere from 11 cents to 30 cents depending on the state you live in. And we blame the oil companies. :confused:
 
That's what I've been trying to tell the lot of you. Raising corporate taxes only increases the price everyone pays for those goods, whether it be a gallon of gas or a snickers bar.
But then the gas companies average around 5 cents profit on each gallon while the taxes will run anywhere from 11 cents to 30 cents depending on the state you live in. And we blame the oil companies. :confused:

I used to believe the 5 cent thing, and probably was true years back. I started to travel to indiana, Georgia, and Kentucky....they have some of the lowest taxes for gas, yet they were the same price, if not HIGHER than Wisconsin which has the second highest gas tax in the nation.

Remember when ALL the gas stations complained when they had to buy the number "2" for their signs? They complained high and low...... Didn't hear it for the 3' or 4's. Now they are switching to the digital signs. Haven't heard one word about the cost of that sign.
 
Andy, you might want to check on that. Exon Mobile might still be making a good profit but they paid out a record tax for this last quarter, something like $32 million, that's for three months. That money does go into the governments coffers you know and if they made more money, that figure would be even higher.

Not fer nuttin' but you do realize what a miniscule amount 32 million is compared to the 14.8 BILLION they made in profit?
$14,800,000,000 profit vs $32,000,000 taxes. Not to say 32 mil is a piddling amount but look at it like this. They paid 32¢ tax on each $1480.00 profit.
( I sure hope I did my math right:rolleyes:)
 
UPDATE: Gillett-Evernham Motorsports has been in talks with nearly every possible team in the garage area looking to merge including Bill Davis Racing, which is down to a one car, non-sponsored team since Caterpillar is leaving the #22 for Richard Childress Racing. From what I [Pete Pistone] have been able to gather, the report that NASCAR vetoed a GEM-BDR merger and a complete switch to Toyota is false. The stumbling block in all of this is the status of Dodge and Chrysler and the future of the struggling company. If the manufacturer can't live up to its promise of supplying engines and support to GEM, its flagship Cup organization, the team needs to know that and make a move ASAP. But whether Toyota wants to support another team and a possible additional three cars is another question. Regardless, NASCAR has no say in what the teams and manufacturers decide to do.(CBS Sports)(10-31-2008)
 
When I read that NASCAR nixed GEM's probable move to Toyota, I didn't believe what I read. In my memory, this would have been the first time that the sanctioning body made such a ruling. There have been in the past teams that have switch back and forth from Chevy to Ford and then back again. Of course, GM and Ford didn't give any support for those teams, but NASCAR didn't prevent them from running what they brung. I can understand at the moment Toyota not wanting to commit to any new teams, not getting in the middle of something they have no control over. If GM and Chrysler do merge, no one knows what will happen to any of the Dodge teams, or even if the Dodge badge will still be around.

This is still a very interesting subject and is subject to a lot of speculation. I'm staying tuned for sure.
 
Oil Companies making a killing

14 billion Dollars profit.....And they want more.......

Caltech
 
I won't say how much I make carrying the mail on the streets daily, but I want more as well. Who amoung us doesn't?
 
I won't say how much I make carrying the mail on the streets daily, but I want more as well. Who amoung us doesn't?
Oil is a necessity. There should be a lot more regulation. Of course people want more money, but the only ones getting it are the greedy sob's who piss away more money doing nothing than most of us hard working Americans will ever make.

And while that happens, the greediest bastards walk away with their 27 mansions and 42 sports cars while the rest of us pay THEIR debt.:mad:
 
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