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BRISTOL, Tenn. – Sprint Cup drivers want to know what made Tony Stewart so good on restarts in his victory last week at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
Was what made him so good on restarts somehow related to the fuel injection systems implemented this year? Or did his car just handle better?
NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Director John Darby plans to provide to teams select information downloaded from the top-finishing drivers in recent weeks to help them learn about the new fuel system.
That has led to some drivers talking about whether driver and team secrets should be revealed.
“Our focus is data that helps with engine operation,” Darby said Saturday at Bristol Motor Speedway. “There are a bunch of crazy theories out there right now that you can look at the data and understand why Tony had good restarts last week.
“That’s all bull. The driver is the reason they had good restarts. I watched the same Homestead race at Miami last November that everybody else did and I saw Tony do the same thing six times. It has nothing to do with fuel injection at all.”
But just how much team information should be shared? Drivers want to know, and some think there should be no sharing of information.
The idea is to allow teams to understand the process of mapping – programming the fuel-injection system as far as how much fuel to inject into the cylinders and when to ignite the spark plugs depending on the amount of air controlled by the throttle and the RPMs being turned.
Hendrick Motorsports supplies engines to Stewart’s team so it has access to all of the data from the system.
“I did look at Tony’s data and definitely have a direction and know what’s going on,” said Jimmie Johnson, who finished second to Stewart at Las Vegas. “It’s a complicated thing that I’m certainly not going to share for the world to see. But I’ve got a clear direction of where to work.”
While Johnson was able to get the information thanks to the team relationship, drivers outside the Hendrick camp obviously are interested as well.
Some drivers don’t want any information being shared. Dale Earnhardt Jr. said it’s good to have some secrets.
“It is a slippery slope,” Earnhardt Jr. said. “With the fuel injection, it brings in the ability this year to be able to see data that we’ve never been able to see before.
“We should ease into how we use that date, and how NASCAR allows us to use that data kind of slowly not to upset the culture of the sport, or how things have worked in the past. I think if we take this new door that has been opened to us and abuse it, it might not be good for the sport.”
Carl Edwards agrees.
“What we do with the pedals and steering wheel and all that stuff is our proprietary stuff,” Edwards said. “From NASCAR’s perspective, I can see how they would want everyone to not have an advantage and keep feeding everyone information to make it tougher and closer.
“I know for me personally with the fuel mileage things and different things there have been times I thought there were things I did in the car that I wouldn’t want anyone else to see.”
Darby said drivers and teams don’t have anything to worry about because the information handed out won’t help with chassis setups and handling.
The philosophy providing technical information is much like how NASCAR gives out shock information from the top teams to the rest of the field, Darby said.
“It is to help them tune [the engines],” Darby said. “It’s about the ability to keep competition level in the garage, the ability to keep the teams with very few resources still competitive with the teams that have got the big resources.”
 
Oh great.....another conspiracy theory . Why can't a guy just be good anymore ?What was that song ? "Let the mystery be" ?
 
It just depends on the level of what's being shared. I can see why NASCAR would want everyone to get an overall handle on EFI. I see no problem with sharing enough info to get everyone to a baseline but after that it's every group for themselves. Also it's probably the smaller teams that will benefit three most which is fine with me. I'd rather not see them fail because if EFI issues.
 
BRISTOL, Tenn.—- Is sharing always a good thing?
Not necessarily, say NASCAR drivers, particularly when it comes to sharing computer data gathered by the electronic fuel injection systems that are new to the Sprint Cup Series this year.
Drivers wouldn’t mind seeing data from other teams, but they’re also worried that an open-book policy with EFI might reveal some of their trade secrets.

“I’d rather not have that,” Dale Earnhardt Jr. said, when asked about sharing the EFI data. “It would benefit to be able to see that, but I think it’s a slippery slope. With the fuel injection, it brings in the ability this year to be able to see data that we’ve never been able to see before.
“I think we should ease into how we use that data and how NASCAR allows us to use that data kind of slowly — not to upset the culture of the sport, or how things work in the past. I think if we take this new door that has been opened to us and abuse it, it might not be good for the sport. I think it’s better for competition for everybody to have a few secrets.”
There are two opposing traditions at play. NASCAR crew chiefs and their teams work hard to find anything that might give them a slight edge over the competition and are loath to share that information with others.
On the other hand, NASCAR has always maintained an open garage. Opposing teams work side-by-side in close quarters in garage stalls that are anything but private. After a race, NASCAR officials will lay out springs and shocks from various teams in public view, so that others can see what combinations their competitors have been using.
Sprint Cup Series director John Darby has said that there will be sharing of EFI data this season, but NASCAR hasn’t determined how detailed the information will be. Tony Stewart, for one, wouldn’t want other drivers to see the combination of technique and equipment that allowed the reigning champion to beat them so badly on restarts last Sunday at Las Vegas.
Carl Edwards, on the other hand, would love to see Stewart’s data but not at the price of revealing his own.
“So they want to see throttle position?” Edwards asked Friday during a tongue-in-cheek response Friday afternoon at Bristol Motor Speedway. “I’d like to see that, too. We should get to see his, but they shouldn’t see ours.
“As long as I’m looking at somebody else’s, I’m in favor of it. I haven’t looked at the EFI data, but any time you can look at someone’s throttle position, it’s good, I think. You can gather a lot from it.”
Greg Biffle, Edwards’ teammate, thinks there’s a workable middle ground.
“I would embrace the idea of some of the data,” said Cup points leader, who won the pole for Sunday’s Food City 500. “Maybe they let us see the throttle trace and the braking or something like that. As far as letting all the teams have an open notebook on all the engine data, that’s probably going a little too far, in my opinion.
“These guys spend hours and hours and lots and lots of time and effort —- and that’s part of competition —- to get their mousetrap better than everybody else’s. When you make all that public, then that work is in vain… Maybe we could learn a little bit from that, but going into all the engine data, I don’t know that that is the right thing to do for our sport.”
 
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BRISTOL, Tenn. – Sprint Cup drivers want to know what made Tony Stewart so good on restarts in his victory last week at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
Was what made him so good on restarts somehow related to the fuel injection systems implemented this year?



Some older folks ,not necessarily people who post on this forum, but people perhaps in foreign countries somewhere might ...I say might ....interpret these words here ..as a minor (not major) conspiracy theory that something strange is afoot. I am not , nor have I ever been, one of them.
 
Some older folks ,not necessarily people who post on this forum, but people perhaps in foreign countries somewhere might ...I say might ....interpret these words here ..as a minor (not major) conspiracy theory that something strange is afoot. I am not , nor have I ever been, one of them.

That part was written to get the reader's attention. The main point of the article has nothing to with the opening sentences. No one is suggesting any type of conspiracy.
 
That part was written to get the reader's attention. The main point of the article has nothing to with the opening sentences. No one is suggesting any type of conspiracy.
Sorry , my bad, I guess they should have put a smiley face there so we would know they were just kidding.
 
I read it as Nascar making teams share info from the EFI in the top drivers cars with other teams that are not affiliated with each other. If that is the case it is bad the teams should learn on there own.
 
“Our focus is data that helps with engine operation,”

When did that become NASCAR's job? In what other sport does the sanctioning body aid it's competitors in figuring out what it takes to stay competitive? Completely asinine, especially in this context, where technical advancement is part of the very essence of competition.
 
Having small teams fall behind because of this expensive and complex new (to NASCAR) technology would not be good for the sport. This has to happen just enough to get everyone on a baseline.
 
Having small teams fall behind because of this expensive and complex new (to NASCAR) technology would not be good for the sport. This has to happen just enough to get everyone on a baseline.

Could be as simple as assuring some manufacturers that Mclaren's ties to other manufacturers don't give them an advantage with inside knowledge. Engine tuning is now a numbers game, but knowing quirks in the software could give an advantage.
 
I didn't see Newman getting great restarts but Stewart snookers the field and Nascar wants to know how? Stewart also can get better fuel mileage than his teammates; in case Nascar hasn't noticed.
 
TOTAL BS

what a team does as long as it is within the rules is nobodys business !!!!!!!!

That needed repeating.

What about Hornadays restarts in trucks? Or even, dare I say, shrubs in the 18? Some drivers have a better feel than others, why does it always have to be a big conspiracy?
If na$car was honest <cough cough> they'd name names of those competitors that brought this up. Bet one wears a hat,,,,,,I'm just sayin'
 
It's funny when people read the first couple of sentences of an article then comment as if they read the entire thing.
 
If NASCAR wants every team to know everybody info they just need need to build the cars themselves and give them to the drivers when they get to the track.
 
If NASCAR wants every team to know everybody info they just need need to build the cars themselves and give them to the drivers when they get to the track.

Really? And then what? Pretend the cars are equal? Right.
 
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