Goodyear Junk

"It's a harder compound; it's our lowes tire"

OH YEA RIGHT GOODYEAR, SHUT UP!
 
Also, the pavement at Atlanta is about as bad as Darlington or Rockingham. I've been there on the asphalt, and it will cut your hand if you rub it across the surface.
 
ya..you people need to stop blaming goodyear everytime a tire goes down..it isn't like its a perfect world or anything
 
Interesting to hear Zipadelli say it was A GREAT tire after the race.
Well he did qualify that by saying when the sun goes down and the track cools the speed came back...and yea very rough track
 
Clutch said:
Interesting to hear Zipadelli say it was A GREAT tire after the race.
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Not unusual. GoodYear is a major sponsor. No matter how bad the tire performance is that day, somebody always praise them. :)
 
If the tire was so bad anyone care to explain why everyone was not having a problem? Did it ever occur to you that the tire is being pressured by a 3400 pound stock car that is coil binding? Just what in the hell do you want Goodyear to do? I am so tired of hearing about how this is Goodyear's problem. :bleh:
 
Maybe...but isn't strict enforcement of vague rules part of Nascar's problem?

;) ;)
 
They need to get rid of that coil binding stuff. It is ridiculous to use the tire as a shock absorber. I guess the COT will bring back bump stops.
 
Atlanta Goodyear Tire Notes: This is the first time Goodyear has brought this combination of left- and right-side tires to the track . . . teams in both the Nextel Cup and Craftsman Truck Series will run the same tire codes this weekend, though the Nextel Cup tires will be branded "Goodyear Eagle" and the Craftsman Truck tires will be branded "Goodyear Wrangler" . . . this is the only track on which NASCAR teams will run these tire codes in 2006 . . . as on all NASCAR ovals greater than one mile in length, teams are required to run liners in all four tire positions at Atlanta . . . air pressure in those inner liners should be 12-25 psi greater than that of the outer tire. Estimated Pit Window is every 60-64 laps.(Goodyear PR), see full report, tires codes on my Atlanta Race Info Page.(10-28-2006)


"Estimated" pit window 60-64 laps. A lot of guys had cords showing on the right front at 50+ laps, probably due in part to slightly aggressive camber.
How do you explain the rears that some of the guys were complaing about coming apart?
It does have to do with tire composition. In the old days you could run the whole race on one set of tires. It's NASCAR telling Goodyear to come up with a composition that will last 60 laps, so that cars have to pit. Guys were coming in for tires before the end of a fuel run.
 
IF I remember correctly (feel free to correct me) Goodyear and Nascar now require that teams LASE the tires and Goodyear reimburses teams at a much lower price for the return of said lased tiers, new or used.
JMO, but why not open up the tire wars so even Firestone, Michilin, as well as foreign tires can be tested and purchased IF teams prefer another brand!
I think I know the Nascar answer.....$$$$$$$$$$
 
The tire that is brought to the track each week is the tire that NASCAR requests. Goodyear can biuld a tire that will only last 20 laps (gumballs) or one that will last for a whole race (rocks). The previous posts about how only a few teams had RF tire problems hit the nail on the head , it was a chassie problem not a tire problem . Some teams have the ability to screw up the chassie so bad that no tire could survive.

Perhaps there are some people on here that remember what the ARCA drivers had to say about Hoosiers compared to Goodyear when the series switched brands . Old hands like Gerhardt and Kimmel begged ARCA to reconsider and go back to Goodyears .

You dont have to go as far back as when ARCA switched tire brands just this summer Goodyear was unable to supply enough tires to Irwindale Speedway so the Super Truck Series was forced to switch to Hoosiers .

Hoosier was asked to supply Irwindale with a comparable compond and after the first practice drivers requested to use their half worn out Goodyears because the Hoosiers were so skatey .

Kat I am not aware of what the current buy back agreement is but the reason tires are leased stems from way back when Mark Donahue was killed and his widow sued Goodyear . Products that are SOLD fall under liability laws however products that are LEASED can be done so at the leasors exclusive risk . I am not a lawyer but that is the gist of it .
 
kat2220 said:
JMO, but why not open up the tire wars so even Firestone, Michilin, as well as foreign tires can be tested and purchased IF teams prefer another brand!
I think I know the Nascar answer.....$$$$$$$$$$
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If it actually came down to some good competition, GoodYear would say 'bye bye', like they did in several other series. But they are a major NASCAR sponsor. So nothing changes.
 
MultiMatic said:
Kat I am not aware of what the current buy back agreement is but the reason tires are leased stems from way back when Mark Donahue was killed and his widow sued Goodyear . Products that are SOLD fall under liability laws however products that are LEASED can be done so at the leasors exclusive risk . I am not a lawyer but that is the gist of it .
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I believe you are incorrect as to the reason for the leased tire program. If it goes back to Mark Donahue, why is it This tire leaseing just took place this year?
The reason for the tire leasing was instatuted this year was because of the limit NASCAR is placing on testing. They do not want the teamshavig race tires to test with, in the past when a team bought the tires they took the remaining tires home with them and used them during testing. So NASCAR came up with this leasing program to ensure that Goodyear leaves the track with EVERY carcus they brought to the track.
 
Eagle1 said:
I believe you are incorrect as to the reason for the leased tire program. If it goes back to Mark Donahue, why is it This tire leaseing just took place this year?.
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This year is the NEW tire leasing program with RFID . Somewhere in the small print when you purchased/leased Goodyears for many years it said you were leasing the tires strictly as a way of covering Goodyear for liability reasons .

You are correct in saying this is the first year of what really is a true lease .
 
Bucky, those are used tires being sold. Not new tires.
Teams pay just over $400 per tire. They get a rebate of about 25% when the tires are turned in. This has led some teams to scuff tires so they can use them in testing. Some teams are also using non-Goodyear tires in testing at non-NASCAR tracks.
The Goodyear contract goes thru next year. Other tire makers are looking to enter, Hoosier, Bridgeston/Firestone, Michelin.
 
barelypure said:
Bucky, those are used tires being sold. Not new tires.
Teams pay just over $400 per tire. They get a rebate of about 25% when the tires are turned in. This has led some teams to scuff tires so they can use them in testing. Some teams are also using non-Goodyear tires in testing at non-NASCAR tracks.
The Goodyear contract goes thru next year. Other tire makers are looking to enter, Hoosier, Bridgeston/Firestone, Michelin.
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I know they are used, but "Eagle1" said this in an above post "So NASCAR came up with this leasing program to ensure that Goodyear leaves the track with EVERY carcus they brought to the track." To me that means EVERY tire, new or used, or punctured. :cool:
 
Bucky Badger said:
I know they are used, but "Eagle1" said this in an above post "So NASCAR came up with this leasing program to ensure that Goodyear leaves the track with EVERY carcus they brought to the track." To me that means EVERY tire, new or used, or punctured. :cool:
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Bucky as far as what I read last year before this rule took effect, that is exactly what they meant,EVERY tire. The teams are not allowed to take home tire with them, not new, not scuffed because NASCAR does NOT want them testing with "RACE" approved tires. The teams can buy tires from other manufacturers that may be similar to Goodyears.

How, or Who is selling the used tires, I have no clue but it's not the teams.
I did a search and came up with several articles but this Larry Mac one explains it pretty simply.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/5105922

With NASCAR's new tire leasing program, teams will turn in tires when they leave tests and races. They will no longer buy and own the tires. In other words, when teams go to Daytona in January, NASCAR will give them x number of tires. Whether you use them or not, you turn in all of them at the end of the test session. At the Darlington spring race, NASCAR probably won't limit the number tires a Cup team can use like they limit Busch and Truck tires, but any tires that the teams don't use will be turned in.
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Other links;

http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/2500/1/1/

http://http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=62498

http://www.jayski.com/teams/nascar-sponsors.htm
 
MultiMatic said:
Everyting changed with RFID
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I guess I don't have a clue WTF you're talking about, WHAT changed with RFID? Are you telling me what I posted changed because of the FRID? because that sure isn't what all the articles say.

http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/2500/1/1/

As per a link I already posted with specific reference to the RFID.

Now, each team leases sets of tires for each event and must return them all—whether used or not—at the end of the race. Since RFID tags are embedded into the tires during the manufacturing process, Goodyear is using them both to automate the leasing process and to track the tires from the point of manufacture, through distribution and on to the NASCAR races. The tire maker deployed the tracking and leasing program this year after completing a successful pilot project at the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway last fall (see RFID Tracks Tires at NASCAR). Goodyear conducted the pilot to ensure that the inlays could withstand the intense heat and pressure to which they're exposed during races, where drivers sometimes exceed 200 miles per hour.

"The RFID tags have performed extremely well," says Stephen Roth, director of Goodyear's vehicle systems division, "and when the tire comes back after the race, we find that the tags have lived through just about whatever [the drivers] throw at them."
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Just a guess but my interpretation of MultiMatic's statement is RFID is becoming ubiquitous. I'm expecting to have someone try and plant one in my ear any minute now <g> Dog and cat's already have theirs.
 
SlowNeasy said:
Just a guess but my interpretation of MultiMatic's statement is RFID is becoming ubiquitous. I'm expecting to have someone try and plant one in my ear any minute now <g> Dog and cat's already have theirs.
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According to conspiracy theory groups, and Mel Gibson this has already been happening for years.:einstein:
 
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