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I hope those teams didn't pay more than a dollar a piece for those Goodyear's.
If they did, they got robbed.
 
yup, poor pooor poor construction. Lets go back to medium compounds!
 
Let's go back to putting some springs in the car and run the tire pressures up where they belong.
Running a tire softer than the reccommended pressure is a good way to overheat the sidewall, melt down the seat area of the bead and throw the tire off the rim.

In short guys, it ain't the tires, it's the setups the kids are running in their cars "looking for an advantage".
"Sometimes you bite the bear and sometimes the bear bites you". Always been that way and undoubtably always will be.
 
I thought Nascar was mandating the springs and tire pressures now so that there wouldn't be this problem?
 
boB said:
Let's go back to putting some springs in the car and run the tire pressures up where they belong.
Running a tire softer than the reccommended pressure is a good way to overheat the sidewall, melt down the seat area of the bead and throw the tire off the rim.

In short guys, it ain't the tires, it's the setups the kids are running in their cars "looking for an advantage".
"Sometimes you bite the bear and sometimes the bear bites you". Always been that way and undoubtably always will be.
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I agree with that philosophy when it comes to premature wear but I had to listen to the broadcast today and fired up DJ's in car audio and it was funny to hear him talk about the car from run to run. At one point DJ had climbed to 11th and was happy with the car. They came in, slapped 4 tires on it and made no changes. All of a sudden the car had a set of "voodoo tires" on it Slugger Labbe called them. The car was just completely different and instead of being one of the fastest at the end of the run DJ found himself in 18th only 10 seconds from being lapped. Slugger was hesitant to make changes from run to run because he had no idea what kind of rubber he was dealing with. Better consistancy is all I am asking for.
 
Testing tires was NOT done under actual race conditions, teams can no longer BUY tires, and RACE CONDITIONS today were far different than practice or qualifying.
That being said, I'd like to see more competition and fewer mandates in terms of tire manufacturers. JMO
 
Magnethead said:
i like the idea of competition. Get hoosier and michelin in here.
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Michelin ?????? :XXROFL:

Hoosier is a different story.
Hoosier made some good tires during the infamous "tire war" of the late eighties but NASCAR required each manufacturer bring enough tires to each race for every team.
This resulted in a great deal of over production and waste causing Hoosier to pick up thier marbles and go home. Hoosier had a good tire but for an upstart company by comparison to Good Year, a David and Goliath situation, Hoosier had limited funds and designers by comparison. Good Year on the other hand, did manufacture a good tire but had become complacent.
The end result was, NASCAR put Hoosier out of the business of supplying tire for the then Winston Cup Series.

If tires were to become a competitive situation again, NASCAR would have to relax the current regulations.
This ain't gonna happen as Good Year is too far up NASCAR's butt.

Listening to NASCAR and the teams swear by Good Year is similar to listening to cabinet members in government offer half-axed reasons for the lack of progress and invasion of the war in Iraq.

Ain't nobody gonna bad-mouth the Good Year "golden egg" and you can bet Ryan Newman got his butt chewed two weeks ago when he openly criticised Good Year. Think Ryan might use a more favorable choice of words next time ???
 
So is DW right? The tires are too hard and they slide across the track increasing wear rather than reducing it. He said a softer tire would wear more but it would be even and the teams could monitor the wear better and adjust accordingly. But, with the sliding no one can account for when a tire will come apart so the teams don't know what to do...
 
Hmmmm... BP would not a softer tire grip more and the driver drive harder until the softer tire slid across the track and consequently wear quicker? It is racing after all.. The driver is going to drive as fast as he can with whichever tire he has on there.. Or am I wrong in my thinking here?
Betsy
 
Well by the time the softer tire started sliding its wore out and would need to be replaced. The teams can run the race with that in mind. But, a harder tire when it slides it breaks out chunks causing the tire to blow out, not wear out. So they have no warning. Even with an aggressive setup a softer tire will just wear out quicker. It wouldn't have chunks taken out of it. So they could run real fast but stop for tires more often.
I think...
 
well, look at the F1 series? Those tires are probably put under loads equal to if not higher than those of the cup series'...they rarely have problems (taking out of account the fact they they run treaded slicks) because they have computers in the rims that trigger low pressure sensors (that only helps to prevent flat tires, however). Now of course that's illegial as hell in nascar, but certainly not a bad idea (hey knaus... ;D ). Now with the chunking thing, barelypure is right. That's just plain unexpected and big surprise (see kyle busch, newman > atlanta busch race). Those kind of things aren't exprected. The driver's don't know that the cords are showing or that 1"x1" chunks of rubber are flying right off the tire (although you'd think they'd hear it hit the fender, even over the engine). Maybe the tires just need different construction of the area where the tread and sidewall meet.
 
well, look at the F1 series? Those tires are probably put under loads equal to if not higher than those of the cup series'
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Are they? The car is half the weight. Sure the speeds are greater and the horsepower is in the 960 range with RPMs that are twice that of a cup car. I'm not sure what the relationship is between the lower weight/higher speeds of F1. And, they are reducing the horsepower to control the speeds this year. I wouldn't think speed alone would have as much to do with tire wear as weight, especially the stresses the Cup guys put on the tire due to their setups.
Then again I'm not a tire stress expert tho I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express...
 
barelypure said:
Are they? The car is half the weight. Sure the speeds are greater and the horsepower is in the 960 range with RPMs that are twice that of a cup car. I'm not sure what the relationship is between the lower weight/higher speeds of F1. And, they are reducing the horsepower to control the speeds this year. I wouldn't think speed alone would have as much to do with tire wear as weight, especially the stresses the Cup guys put on the tire due to their setups.
Then again I'm not a tire stress expert tho I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express...
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The downforce F1 cars create is equal to much more weight than that of the stockcars. But they also have much wider tires too so there is more tread on the ground.

It's really not good to compare F1 cars to the Cup cars for many reasons. And the tires are totally different as well. But give the guys time and money and things will certainly get closer.

Not sure of this, but I thought I heard a week or so ago that Hoosier is thinking about making a comeback to the Cup cars. Also heard that another brand might make the jump as well. Maybe it was just speculation, but I'm sure I heard something.
 
Kat, I know you don't care for Mike, but so what. He's not always wrong and he is at the place where the news does happen. You can choose your sources and I can choose mine. Now if you want to just come out and say that Mulhern is a liar, say so.
 
That article says to me that the RICH teams will find a way to test no matter what..
I'd guess they have stolen bits of this years tires for hoosier to test for composition.. Although the article only talks about 2005 model tires there is most likely ways around that too.
I would almost bet the article is gospel..
Betsy
 
Buckster,

I know for a fact that different team members and drivers will tell Mike Mulhern all sorts of tall tales for the simple reason he'll rush those tales into print without bothering to verify any of the information. Mike is really a nice guy and all, but...

If you believe anything the man writes, I've got a whole bunch of choice real estate on the dark side of the moon that I can give you one really good deal on this afternoon.
 
boB, I didn't say that I believed everything he writes. One of the problems I have is this...if he is such a sucker and doesn't do a good enough job, why the hell is he still with a job? The point here is that he doesn't write for a podunk paper with a circulation of less than 1,000 or does he work for a blogger. He has his credentials and while that doesn't mean a thing, it does mean that he does something right, whether it's pro NASCAR or what. However, he writes more things that are critical of NASCAR than just about anyone else I've seen.

I know that he has a terrible reputation and I've seldom heard anyone give him credit for anything. If you want to sell me something, go ahead and give me the sales pitch. I'll write a check to you anytime and if you think the check will be good, I'll write even more.

Give me a name of a write that everyone thinks is good and I'll show you another liar. Mulhern might just might have the worst reputation of the writers, but someone has to do it. If it weren't for Mike, then who would it be? Marty Smith? Claire B. Lange? I mean who? Someone would be. And maybe Mike likes his reputation. Afterall, Ironhead liked the idea of being one of the most hated drivers, just as Jimmie Johnson now is liking the idea that he can use the term "48 haters".
 
If he wrote it more than likely someone told it to him. It may be a fabrication. It may be a trial balloon to see how NASCAR, Goodyear, et al react.
Or, can we say a stopped clock is right twice a day.
 
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