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Why do the fans hate Gordon so much? When he wrecked the other night, it sounded as if the whole place was cheering. Lots of fans hate Gordon, who has 4 championships under his belt, but love Jr., who has not done jack **** and will never be close to what his dad was. Somebody please explain it to me.
 
They dont like him because he beat Dale Sr. Dale Sr was top dog, Jeff came and took over.

I am a diehard Sr fan, and like Gordon also.
 
kam, I guess that when Jeff G came on the scene he was just a kid who captured a lot of fan's attention (me included), and I even liked Big E.
Lots of people are fickle (sp?) and even tho there are some drivers I don't much care about, I'll still respect them and congratulate them when they win.
I USED to not like Tony, but now I'm a FAN!
 
Yep. He came out winning, as a young driver, beating the Big E. Hes also very good looking and well spoken. I became a Gordon fan from my first race. Before i even knew what he looked like or anything. It was in 95. I will always be a Gordon fan.
 
Bucky Badger said:
Ya should have heard him after he crashed out at Daytona ;)
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what? all he said was "We got cut short by guys who were being stupid," said Gordon.

now in my book that's not bad spoken, not by any means...he just vented out that's all, also he said that if he has nothing nice to say than dont say nothing at all..and that's what he did...now put tony in that situation and he would've bad mouth the whole field so.. jeff indeed is well spoken my friend.
 
If you're going to hate on Jeff don't hate him because he beat Dale. But, rather hate him because he was the new face of NASCAR. He was the vanguard of the new breed of drivers that was able to capture America's attention and was largely responsible for NASCAR crashing onto the national scene. The American public had never taken to the good ol' boys. Not even Dale. But, with Jeff they had someone to put in front of the cameras. Someone who was well spoken, groomed for TV. And, his winning and winning often put him in front of those cameras. The long time NASCAR fans were shocked by his appearance thus started the gay jokes and everything else. The youngsters readily picked up on this as their hip hop drivers, Lil'E and that crowd, came onto the scene and still couldn't knock Jeff off the top. NASCAR became more popular, opened up more markets, made them and the drivers tons of money. And, this new beginning can be laid at the feet of Jeff.
 
barelypure said:
If you're going to hate on Jeff don't hate him because he beat Dale. But, rather hate him because he was the new face of NASCAR. He was the vanguard of the new breed of drivers that was able to capture America's attention and was largely responsible for NASCAR crashing onto the national scene. The American public had never taken to the good ol' boys. Not even Dale. But, with Jeff they had someone to put in front of the cameras. Someone who was well spoken, groomed for TV. And, his winning and winning often put him in front of those cameras. The long time NASCAR fans were shocked by his appearance thus started the gay jokes and everything else. The youngsters readily picked up on this as their hip hop drivers, Lil'E and that crowd, came onto the scene and still couldn't knock Jeff off the top. NASCAR became more popular, opened up more markets, made them and the drivers tons of money. And, this new beginning can be laid at the feet of Jeff.
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I like someone who is real and not groomed for tv. Jeff Gordon is not the only Nascar driver who is/has been well spoken. :)
 
kelloggs5TLfan said:
I like someone who is real and not groomed for tv. Jeff Gordon is not the only Nascar driver who is/has been well spoken. :)
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No, but he was the 1st who could win and win big and thus attract the "new" fans to NASCAR. Nearly all of the new drivers go thru media courses to polish their delivery in front of cameras. They are all groomed for TV. Some are just more natural than the others.
And, you can bet that Jeff''s new attitude has been carefully calculated and scripted. Possibly to prop up lagging merchandise sales. It's all a shill game now.
 
barelypure said:
If you're going to hate on Jeff don't hate him because he beat Dale. But, rather hate him because he was the new face of NASCAR. He was the vanguard of the new breed of drivers that was able to capture America's attention and was largely responsible for NASCAR crashing onto the national scene. The American public had never taken to the good ol' boys. Not even Dale. But, with Jeff they had someone to put in front of the cameras. Someone who was well spoken, groomed for TV. And, his winning and winning often put him in front of those cameras. The long time NASCAR fans were shocked by his appearance thus started the gay jokes and everything else. The youngsters readily picked up on this as their hip hop drivers, Lil'E and that crowd, came onto the scene and still couldn't knock Jeff off the top. NASCAR became more popular, opened up more markets, made them and the drivers tons of money. And, this new beginning can be laid at the feet of Jeff.
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totally agreed with this.
 
barelypure said:
If you're going to hate on Jeff don't hate him because he beat Dale. But, rather hate him because he was the new face of NASCAR. He was the vanguard of the new breed of drivers that was able to capture America's attention and was largely responsible for NASCAR crashing onto the national scene. The American public had never taken to the good ol' boys. Not even Dale. But, with Jeff they had someone to put in front of the cameras. Someone who was well spoken, groomed for TV. And, his winning and winning often put him in front of those cameras. The long time NASCAR fans were shocked by his appearance thus started the gay jokes and everything else. The youngsters readily picked up on this as their hip hop drivers, Lil'E and that crowd, came onto the scene and still couldn't knock Jeff off the top. NASCAR became more popular, opened up more markets, made them and the drivers tons of money. And, this new beginning can be laid at the feet of Jeff.
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I'll agree with this to a point, Jeffy was groomed by Ray Evernham, Ray had a lot to do with who Jeff is today. I think that Jeff is a great driver, i don't like his "hollier than though attitude" however. He is very quick to blame some one else, rather than shutting his mouth. I'm not saying that other drivers don't do this, but it seems to me that Jeff and J. Johnson tend to do this more than other drivers. Ducks from flying daggers from kat.... :eek:
 
^ could you point us to whom jeff and jimmie blame everytime?
 
In general they blame some one else when it is a questionable altercation that might in fact be their fault. They don't, IMO, take the blame sometimes when they should. I'm not saying they aren't good drivers, they just aren't as humble as some in the sport today.
 
There are 41 other cars in any given race so take your pick.
 
Why should Jeff worry about the "boo birds"? Big E told him that if people are booing, he must be doing something right. I think he'd worry if he were ever greeted with silence --- that would mean no one cared about him at all.
 
I think Dale Sr, tolld jeff something like this "It dont matter if they boo ya, or cheer for ya, just as long as they make noise"

and i look what Jeff said when asked if the booing bothers him "When you pull in to victory lane and hear 200,000 ppl boo you, it makes you fell good that you ruined there day"

I know the quotes are off a little, but thats the best i can remember them.
 
So, if booing is actually flattery, why do people get so upset when it's not even them on the receiving end? I just don't get it.
 
^ because they think its cool to booe, not knowing they look like jackasses.
 
I'll agree with this to a point, Jeffy was groomed by Ray Evernham, Ray had a lot to do with who Jeff is today.
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What Ray was is a darn good crew chief. He helped Jeff to win. But, you can believe that there was a PR firm involved in getting Jeff ready for the cameras and media. His career was carefully scripted. That is what sells. And, those in power sat up and noticed and now we have a steady procession of "pretty boys" getting behind the wheel. It is all designed to separate you from your money. Are the ones we are seeing now the best drivers? All I know is they are the most marketable...
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'll agree with this to a point, Jeffy was groomed by Ray Evernham, Ray had a lot to do with who Jeff is today. I think that Jeff is a great driver, i don't like his "hollier than though attitude" however. He is very quick to blame some one else, rather than shutting his mouth. I'm not saying that other drivers don't do this, but it seems to me that Jeff and J. Johnson tend to do this more than other drivers. Ducks from flying daggers from kat.... :eek:
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No daggers DH, but wait until others read this! :D

Let's face it my friends, Jeff Gordon is a 4X Champion, is good looking, can sure drive that 24, and is voted 2nd favorite driver after Li'l E.
Temper? yep...just ask Matt.
 
BP, I do think that you are right about Jeffy being the new beginning of this sport. I'm a long time fan but I wasn't taken aback with Jeffy's appearance in NASCAR. I had been watching him beat old vets for years in midgets etc. Bill Davis brought him on board in a Ford that Mark Martin had driven to much success in the Busch series and when he moved up to the Cup series, as a fan of his, I thought, along with many, many people, that he took the plunge way too early. How wrong we were, but many of us were Ford fans and that was one of the reasons we didn't like the move.

I once read a piece that talked about the new breed of drivers and it talked about Jeff and how he was different than most of those who came before him. Jeff was groomed as a driver, and strictly a driver since he was just a child. His skills were honed and his talent was such that it didn't take him long to become a champion. But unlike so many of those that came before him, he wasn't what we would call a "gear head" in that he wasn't a tinkerer of cars and started racing street stockers at the local level. In the old days, the drivers would and could get right in there and work on the cars from the engines to the chasis and knew how to make things work. For many of them, they were their own crew along with a couple of other good old boys. Grease and dirt would always be found under their fingernails. One only needs to go to the local tracks around the country to find such types of drivers. But today, that isn't enough. Today's drivers need only to concentrate on their driving ability and leave the garage stuff to those who know what they're doing. These kids now days don't have the time to do much of anything else but drive and represent their sponsors.

The days of working ones self up from the bottom is over. You have to be connected to a good team or you're history, not because of your ability, but because of your salability. Jeff Gordon proved to the world that he has the ability and the salability.
 
reck said:
^ because they think its cool to booe, not knowing they look like jackasses.
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I'm not talking about the public booing - that's their right.

I'm wondering why fans get all defensive of their driver being booed if it's supposed to be such a compliment? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Today's drivers need only to concentrate on their driving ability and leave the garage stuff to those who know what they're doing. These kids now days don't have the time to do much of anything else but drive and represent their sponsors.
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Don't forget racing on their computers to get a feel of a track that's coming up. That's how this new breed learns. The old guys just went out and made their mistakes on the track.
 
As time progresses, the learning curve in all sports becomes smaller and smaller due to technology. As stock car racing has changed over the last 20 years, I truly believe that less and less emphasis has been put on the driver's natural physical ability to wheel a car & more on his ability to make good judgements/ decisions on the track. Also, More & more emphasis has been placed squarely on the ability of the crew chief to make the car a "winning car". That being said, Gordon started at a time where driver ability was still very necessary to win races and he excelled.Recently, he has struggled to find that now so important crew chief to put competitive cars under him. He is not someone I like nor dislike but I believe that he is the best natural talent in stock car racing over the last 15 years, bar none.
 
I dont really see a game helping someone know a track. There is hardly anything about a game that is real enough to help, it does help with your hard and eye cordnations, but orther then that i dont see much help.
 
Patrick9999 said:
So, if booing is actually flattery, why do people get so upset when it's not even them on the receiving end? I just don't get it.
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well thats just the drivers view. The driver and fans see things in a differnt light.

As a driver myself i would rather you cheer for me, but to tell you the truth i could care less what u did as long as you made some kind of noise.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I dont really see a game helping someone know a track. There is hardly anything about a game that is real enough to help, it does help with your hard and eye cordnations, but orther then that i dont see much help.
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howbout 4 years of engineering? Simbin and 10tacle spent 4 years doing the satelite work, car detailing (including taking each individual car into a sound room and recording the sound of every car at 100 RPM intervals), getting the cars to behave and respond to changes, and prefect the graphics (with help from nvidia). I have just under 8000 laps as of right now and i've been in every vehicle, and i've never found a better game when it comes to realism.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTR_-_FIA_GT_Racing_Game
 
Patrick9999 said:
I'm not talking about the public booing - that's their right.

I'm wondering why fans get all defensive of their driver being booed if it's supposed to be such a compliment? :confused: :confused: :confused:
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like lap3forever said as a driver one could care less but as a fan, you feel you've been disrespected indirectly somehow.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I dont really see a game helping someone know a track. There is hardly anything about a game that is real enough to help, it does help with your hard and eye cordnations, but orther then that i dont see much help.
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Sorry. But I have to side with the drivers who say they use them.
You may race a car, but they race the cars and tracks that are actually in the Sim.
 
Steve007 said:
Sorry. But I have to side with the drivers who say they use them.
You may race a car, but they race the cars and tracks that are actually in the Sim.
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...but, if you ask them they'll tell you there's no substitute for the real thing. Simulators are predictable and programable. Weather, track conditions, tire compositions, pit stragety, competition and luck are not.
 
I'm not arguing that fact. I am arguing that if they didn't help drivers get to know a track, we wouldn't have Denny, Reed, Dale and others saying that they do.

You'll find that most of them say it prior to their first Pocono race in a cup car.
They use it to get to know the track. Contradicting what lappy said, "I dont really see a game helping someone know a track."
 
Sorry, but I can kick butt on sim racing even tho I'm going blind.
What does that have to do with the "BOO BEES" anyway?
Boo any race driver......JUST NOT MY STYLE!
 
I think the booing shows how much respect the boo'rs have for the boo-ee! The boos, to me, are not from dislike but rather for respect of the chance the boo-ee has of taking the prize away from "their" guy.
It seems everyone has a favorite... and in most cases that guy must be able to beat the boo-ee or he cannot win. The booing just amplifies the fact that EVERYONE knows what threat the boo-ee is to win that particular event.
It is simply another way of acknowledging the abilities of the driver.
There ARE other types of booing... for rough driving or possibly for off track happenings.. But for Gordon all the boos are out of pure respect.
Betsy
 
^ gee you think? they even aplauded when jeff wrecked at daytona, umm maybe its just me but that was straight out disrespect
 
Naaa! Reck It was their way of saying "now my guy has a chance"! I doubt anyone dislikes Jeffy for anything other than his ability's. Sr. on the other hand, had many fans that hated him for constantly putting other drivers in the infield.. He would try to win in anyway he could.. But Jeffy? He is one of the good guys. I would put him in a class with Mark and only a few others.
Betsy
 
oh alright. i kinda see your point :)
 
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