Guess who has the best record in the NFL?

They looked pretty good today. Brett Favre was running for his life all day and throwing picks.
 
Tampa Bay also has one of the biggest thugs in the NFL too. I can't stand Sapp and his actions today is one of the main reasons. There's so few pro players in anything that I can stand anymore. The majority are either thugs, druggies, murderers, wife beaters, or money hungry, or all of the above. They make too much money as it is and then when they go and do one of the above mentioned.....they still have a job. :kaioken:
 
What has Warren Sapp ever been convicted of? Charged with for that matter?
 
i think the bucs deserve it.. they've played well in most of their games.
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
What has Warren Sapp ever been convicted of?  Charged with for that matter?
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I know he dropped a long way in the draft because word got out that he had a misdemeanor marijuana possession on his record.
 
Guess that qualifies him to run for President as a Democrat then...:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Guess that qualifies him to run for President as a Democrat then...:rolleyes:
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No, even he seems too ethical for that:p
 
Dont get me started bashing liberals, I'll be here all night!:eek:
 
Shouldn't have started Warner. I'm afraid to look at my fantasy football. This will probably be the first season I've lost money. I'll probably hang it up after this year. Can't have more than one losing season. I'll go out a champ this way! :)
 
Sapp is a loudmouth. I don't like him, but I fail to see how he falls into those categories. I wish he woulda knocked Sherman on his butt after the game when Sherman got in his face.
 
I saw that coach up in his face. Not too smart. Take one 300 pound lineman, pumped on endorphins and adrenaline, immediately after a game, and decide to confront him. Not me. I'm surprised (and glad) Sapp didn't level him.

Warren Sapp is a loudmouth. Not a crime last time I checked. He's ****y, again not a crime. He's also damn good and fully capable of walking the walk after talking the talk. Name an NFL team that wouldn't like to have him in their jersey.
 
The coach should have never said anything to him. Bucs
are lookin pretty good. Much better than my Saints. Atlanta is tough in that division too.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever
it would be funny it the rams won it all :D :rolleyes:
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Yes it would Lappy,But that won't happen unless Warner plays for the oposite teams the rest of the year.:rolleyes:
 
Sapp never should have put that hit on Clifton. That was unnecessary and unwarnted. I always have had respect for Warren Sapp because of his all out play but after seeing him do that last night I have no respect for him. He should be fined heavily and suspended for a few games. He disrespected the game of football with that one hit.
 
That hit was called a block, every offensive player knows during an interception, the offense becomes the defense and vice versa. The lineman should have been ready, he was on the field and the whistle hadn't blown.
 
It seems that I wasn't clear on my post. I find sapp to be a "thug". IMO people that act ignorant and are loud mouths are thugs. My definition of a thug doesn't mean that a person is a criminal. I then took it a step further to explain the reasons that I don't care for most pro atheletes (not just football players).

A) Sapp fits into my definition of a thug. Simply my own opinion.

B) The world of pro sports is full of all the things that I listed in my previous post as is the "real world". The point that I was trying to make is that in the "real world" people lose their jobs for doing the things that pro atheletes do, yet the atheletes keep their jobs and continue to make an exorbitant amount of money. Hence the reason I'm fed up with most pro sports atheletes. They ruin the game for me.

For the record, these are simply my opinions. With the exception to the fact that there are alot of criminal atheletes out there, which by the way I am not naming. It's public knowledge who the criminals are and I see no reason to mention any names in particular. If people get upset because I find someone to be a thug, imagine the outcry I would hear if I actually named a name of one the criminals...
 
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Sapp never should have put that hit on Clifton.  That was unnecessary and unwarnted.  I always have had respect for Warren Sapp because of his all out play but after seeing him do that last night I have no respect for him.  He should be fined heavily and suspended for a few games.  He disrespected the game of football with that one hit.

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Just a guess on my part here...you voted for Gore, right?

It's called football. It is a contact sport. Hitting a potential tackler LEGALLY is allowed. Even encouraged. Sometimes, if you do it often enough and well enough, you get to go to something called the Pro Bowl. It's played in Hawaii after the Super Bowl. A lot of the players really like it. Warren's been to a few.

Seems the NFL agrees with me on this one. In a day and age when they are fining players left and right for leading with the head, not saying "Mother May I" before sacking a quarterback, and God alone knows what other breaches of manners, they still know a legal hit when they see one. Brutal, yes, but legal.

Maybe this makes him the Dale Earnhardt of the NFL. Maybe that nickname will get him some respect.

Oh, and Coach Sherman? Nice try. No one believed for a second that Warren Sapp was celebrating the injury.
 
PG, all apologies. I took the word THUG out of context it appears. My bad. I'll rack next game.
 
Sapp's hit was legal. Sherman tried to spin it around into something else. Now Sherman's out on damage control because he looks like a tool for accusing Sapp of something that didn't happen!
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
PG, all apologies.  I took the word THUG out of context it appears.  My bad.  I'll rack next game.
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;)
 
I'm not sure when the heavy metal head-bangers completely took over the NFL and made it all about brutality instead of ferocity. But that's sure what it looks like, doesn't it? Collisions have replaced tackling. Trash talking (occasionally by a head coach) has replaced pep talking.

And about once or twice a week, a player leaves a game in an ambulance. Then we watch the video replays of the hit that put him there and pretend that we regret it.

For years, boxing fans would tell me that their sport was no more violent than football, so I should stop decrying the violence of the fight game. My counter-argument was this: Football is fundamentally different from boxing because in football, the goal isn't to hurt the other guy and make his body unable to function. It is to move the ball downfield and score points.

But after 12 weeks of this NFL season, I am afraid I have no counter-argument. None. If anything, professional football in the Tagliabue era has become more violent than boxing.

Why do I say this? At least in boxing, when a man knocks out another man, the first man goes to a neutral corner and stands there respectfully. In the NFL today, when a man knocks out another man, the first man does a little taunting dance, then is interviewed by ESPN, then gets a big off-season raise.

Look, football is a nasty game. Always has been. Always will be. But the goal is supposed to be finding open spaces to move the ball -- and using your body to move an opponent's body to create those open spaces. Or, if you are on defense, not allowing your opponent's body to move yours, so that you plug up those open spaces and stop the ball carrier.

In the old days, which is to say 10 or 15 years ago, that meant crisp blocking and tackling. Those of us dinosaurs who played high school football in the dark ages can still recite our coach's mantras of ``wrap him up, wrap him up'' and ``without his legs, he can't go anywhere.''

It was simple physics at work. By burying a shoulder in the other guy's gut, then putting your arms around his upper legs so that your hands met each other on the other side of his thighs, then lifting and pushing him downward, you were preventing him from gaining yardage and making a first down.

Well, forget about that now. Today, the main defensive ``technique'' has been summed up succinctly by former Chicago Bears defensive end Doug Atkins, a Hall of Famer who played in the 1950s and 1960s. He was recently interviewed by the Chicago Sun-Times and said succinctly: ``No one on defense tackles anybody anymore. They just run into people.''

He's right. The idea now is, if you hit the other guy hard enough, he will fall down and end the play, or maybe even lose the ball. You saw it in Sunday's games. You saw it in Monday night's game between the 49ers and Eagles.

Trouble is, maybe one out of three or four times, the other guy absorbs the hit and keeps going, which must make the old football coaches in the viewing audience go nuts. This slam-dance philosophy was popularized by former 49er Ronnie Lott, who loved to make the big hit and draw a ``woo'' from the crowd.

But here's the thing: If you watched Lott's game carefully, he only went for the ``woo'' when he could tell it would work. Otherwise, he was still a wrap-up guy. I don't ever remember Lott slamming into someone and then letting him run away with the ball. I also don't recall Lott ever celebrating a big hit with a look-at-me gesture.

The NFL front office, to its credit, is attempting to be more diligent about these hits, raising both the number and amount of fines -- usually for dangerous hits perpetrated by safeties against wide receivers. But with a lot of the other stuff, the league still looks the other way.

That's what occurred Sunday in Tampa, Fla. After an interception by the Buccaneers, defensive lineman Warren Sapp went searching for Packers offensive lineman Chad Clifton, then decked Clifton with a blindside ``block'' far away from the ballcarrier. The hit was legal and no penalty was called, but Clifton went down in a heap, temporarily lost feeling in his extremities and was carried off the field. Sapp did some celebratory gesticulating.

After the game, Packers Coach Mike Sherman confronted Sapp about the play and the celebration, whereupon Sapp fired back some verbiage that basically challenged Sherman to put on a uniform and get it on.

Monday, the league reviewed the situation and announced that neither Sapp nor Sherman would be fined. But in watching the video clips of the whole deal over and over Sunday night -- the clear attempt to damage Clifton and knock him out, followed by the screaming and finger pointing -- I was struck by an inescapable thought:

The only thing missing from the picture was Don King.

By Mark Purdy
Mercury News
 
Counterpoint, from ESPN's Tuesday Morning Quarterback column.

Sapp Is Right, But Don't Get Used to That: Everyone hopes Chad Clifton is OK, but Warren Sapp hit him cleanly. There's no exemption from being hit just because you are trailing the play. TMQ is guessing that in that game, Clifton had taken shots at Sapp when he got the chance. When Sapp got a chance, he took a very hard, but clean, shot.
 
The argument is not about whether the hit is clean or not.

The basis for people being upset with Sapp is that he is, as PG said, a thug. He wouldn't know how to tackle someone if his life depended on it.

The celebrating as a player lied paralyzed on the turf got a few people upset as well.
 
I watched the game, and didn't see the celebrating, but I was in and out of the room during that portion of the game. If he was celebrating a player injury, I agree wholeheartedly that he is a thug or worse. Being a diehard Bucs fan, I may be a shade biased, admittedly, but I also feel that I've watched Sapp and the rest of the team a little more than a lot of other fans. Dislike the man all you like, but that is not his style. IMO, trying to be as objective to both sides as possible, any celebrating he would have done would not be the result of someone lying motionless on the field. I have no way of knowing; I'm not Warren Sapp. But such behavior would be strongly inconsistent with his past attitudes and actions in similar situations.

I won't blindly defend every action anyone makes. But the picture being painted of him is not consistent with the past behavior he has exhibited in an otherwise stellar career. Sapp is not my favorite player on the Bucs. I admire his talent, his motivational impact on the team, the head games he clearly is able to employ to gain slight advantages against opposing teams, and his dedication to his family. The persona he exhibits on the field and at times in the media is just that, a persona. It works for him, and it helps his team more often than it hurts them. But let's not take it too seriously. I mean, come on, do any of us believe wholeheartedly that Jack Lambert for instance acted that way in his living room?

GO BUCS!!
 
You're spot on with most of your points...I agree with who he is as a football player and what he brings to his team...

If Sapp had, after knowing that Clifton was nearly dead, ignored the angry tirade of Sherman instead of daring a man twice his age and a quarter his weight to put on a jersey and get on the field with him then maybe people wouldn't be so upset.

It's the maturity with which Sapp is handling this that's rubbing folks the wrong way. He could have just shut up and expressed remorse...but he decided to continue the ugliness all the way into the locker room.

People know this stuff happens, but if someone is injured everything else is secondary...especially Sapp's ego.

I just feel for this Clifton guy...career is most likely over and all Sapp could do was posture for the cameras.
 
I hate to defend Sapp, because I don't like him. Only because of the way he spouts off. However he isn't a dirty player, and has never had the title. The hit was clean. I think these PC types should go back to worrying about Augusta instead of this hit.

Mark Purdy- Why do you write? Please write about something you know in the future. Football is more dangerous now? LMAO. Back in the days of padded helmets players died from contact in games. How about back in the 50's when Night train Lane used to use his clothesline to take people down. Nice big chop across your neck. You can't even touch Farve without getting a penalty, but the NFL is sooo much tougher now. You what has happened since the days of Lott? The game is the same, the tackling is worse. Period.
 
Again, the complaints are not about whether or not the hit was clean...that hasn't been made clear enough?

And, what does political correctness have to do with anything?
 
Clifton's injuries are not career threatening, according to reports on ESPN.com. He may be out for the season, though.

Sapp handled the post-game situation badly. But he did not instigate it. As I have previously stated, the man just finished a football game which resulted in his team, a long-time laughing stock in which he personally has played a key role in remedying, just assumed the NFL's best record. One can expect a fierce competitor such as Sapp, who by all accounts is shall we say a tad mouthy anyway, to do most anything except express remorse and calmly walk away. Call it the Tony Stewart defense if you must.

And exactly where does the coach's liability for the altercation lie? Should he not be expected to control himself as well?
 
Yes he should...but he just lost a player...all Sapp did was play his game. Sapp should have been the bigger man, knowing he did absolutely nothing wrong.

I highly doubt Tony Stewart, after having just set a record for wins, but had wrecked someone and injured them...would then challenge the f'in car owner of the f'in injured driver to an f'in race.
 
The Tony Stewart reference applies to the littany of statements about reporters (in Tony's case) getting in his face immediately after a race. Sauce for the goose and all that.
 
Yeah your right PC wasn't exactly what I was looking for there.

Football is an emotional sport. Players get pumped up when they make big plays, get big hits ect. But I have never seen a guy on any team including Sapp celebrate an injury. If nothing else, that just reinforces in their minds that their career could be over any play.

I didn't see Sapp celebrate over Clifton, and I didn't see him celebrating while Clifton was being put on a stretcher. When he was celebrating, I high doubt he knew Clifton was injured or the severity of the injury.
 
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