GWC finish - whats the point?

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the GWC was installed in the rulebook to make sure races did not finish under yellow. I never understood the rule about whatever flag drops after the white flag flys, ends the race. Why even have an attempt at over-time if the next flag makes it end under yellow?

Very dissapointing finish for what was an incredible final 20 laps.
 
I'm kindof with you. NASCAR has proven time and time again that they don't care about the integrity of racing(GWC in the first place). What the hell does it matter if they throw the white flag twice? Haha
 
Reck said:
I like the white flag rule.

Who wants to have the race in their hands, have some idiot wreck on the white flag and have to do a restart all over again?
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They do it a lap before the white, race well in-hand, all the time.
 
DUN24 said:
They do it a lap before the white, race well in-hand, all the time.
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Yeah but the white flag guarantees you the win. (Unless you're Mark Martin)

I dont know what you mean by doing it a lap before? The Green white checkered is set to two laps. Are you saying that if there is a crash on the white flag that they should unwind and set it to 2 laps again? After you had run the 2 laps prior? It doesn't make sense.
 
Stupid rule. Stupidly enforced. Designed to ensure green flag finishes. Yet results in more races ending under yellow. Go NASCAR!

Could've been the best ending we've ever seen. 3 wide for the lead with 20 laps to go. Ended with a thud.
 
Reck said:
Yeah but the white flag guarantees you the win. (Unless you're Mark Martin)

I dont know what you mean by doing it a lap before? The Green white checkered is set to two laps. Are you saying that if there is a crash on the white flag that they should unwind and set it to 2 laps again? After you had run the 2 laps prior? It doesn't make sense.
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No, I mean on the "green" lap of GWC, they throw the caution all the time... Meaning with 2 to go instead of 1.
 
Reck said:
Yeah but the white flag guarantees you the win. (Unless you're Mark Martin)

I dont know what you mean by doing it a lap before? The Green white checkered is set to two laps. Are you saying that if there is a crash on the white flag that they should unwind and set it to 2 laps again? After you had run the 2 laps prior? It doesn't make sense.
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Yes. If they can unwind and run 2 laps again after a caution on the 1st attempt, I see no reason why they cant do the same on the white flag lap. Finishing under yellow should be a last resort.
 
My guess is the reason for it is maybe there's someplace in the rules that the white flag can only wave once? Not sure.
 
There should be an adjusted rule for that, instead of the white flag, put a mark on the track where drivers must pass on the final lap to have it either restart again or run to the finish.
 
DUN24 said:
I'm kindof with you. NASCAR has proven time and time again that they don't care about the integrity of racing(GWC in the first place). What the hell does it matter if they throw the white flag twice? Haha
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Lol, NASCAR ain't quite rasslin but it nowhere near a proper sport either.
 
I dont understand why it matters if there is a wreck behind the leaders, just implement a partial track caution, and tell the drivers to slow down before the wreck comes up. I dont think that having a caution after the white flag is the answer, would much rather let the leaders race back. There is no worse feeling to me than watching 3 hours of a great race, only to have it end at 70mph.
 
I was disappointed NASCAR threw the yellow flag when the wreck was well behind the leaders … We will never know if the 4 and 88 could have made a move that would have changed the outcome of the race … I might be wrong but I seem to recall a similiar deal in the 1st duel when cars wrecked well behind the leaders and NASCAR let the race continue …
 
Yogisd1 said:
They could have let them run back to the finish line like they did yesterday. The problem was on the backstretch, so there was plenty of time to get slowed down. Consistency is a big problem with Nascar.
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Safety workers were dispatched from both the turn #1 and turn #2 access points. Safety people were on the track. It simply wasn't safe to race into turn #1 with them on the track.
 
Looking at the finishes from the Sprint Unlimited, and Budweiser Duel 1 & 2, if they raced back Kevin nor Dale were gonna get to Joey, it's been like this all week where the leader could pull away for a few car lengths and 2nd cant close up.
 
Races ending under caution like that will always leave a bad taste in my mouth. As much as racing back to the line sounds right in terms of competition it is just too large of a risk from a safety perspective. That is where we are within society and the sport as a whole - the ultimate catch 22.

What I would not like to see is a caution coming out on the white flag lap with the leader coming thru 3/4 causing the field to reset. That screws the leader in the rare occurrence that it would happen.
 
The green/white checker is a good compromise from ending the race after the advertised number of laps. Sometimes races ended with many laps run under caution in the past. One note: Mark Martin was going to win one of those when he pulled into the pits one lap short and lost the race.
 
Zerkfitting said:
The green/white checker is a good compromise from ending the race after the advertised number of laps. Sometimes races ended with many laps run under caution in the past. One note: Mark Martin was going to win one of those when he pulled into the pits one lap short and lost the race.
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Bristol.
 
They sometimes hold the yellow and let them race to the finish but it depends on the track situation. I appreciate it when they do that (I thought they might do that yesterday but I think Lagano had them covered).
 
Zeck said:
Looking at the finishes from the Sprint Unlimited, and Budweiser Duel 1 & 2, if they raced back Kevin nor Dale were gonna get to Joey, it's been like this all week where the leader could pull away for a few car lengths and 2nd cant close up.
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I disagree with that joey was in the process of stalling out there. you had 2 cars with a huge run coming both hooked up tight. If harvick makes his move a little soon a 2 wide draft creates a huge hole for the 88 in the wind. I don't think the 22 wins the race if the caution doesn't come out.
 
Pat said:
I would bet my life savings Nascar did not want the Daytona 500 to end under yellow. Most times we don't see what is happening all around the track. We can only see the leaders because that is what the broadcast shows.

My 2 cents.
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Greg said:
Race control has to make good discreationary calls in real time or instantly. No easy task.

I think they got it right in both cases.
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Yep & Yep. Both are correct.

I just don't get it. It seems that Joe Fan simply doesn't understand the logistics of all of this. You can't have racing on the track when they have safety crew dispatched to take care of the injured or potentiality injured driver. Kyle Larson hit the wall a ton and wasn't responding immediately. People were going to his aide. NASCAR absolutely made the correct call under the circumstances.
 
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