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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- A "green-white-checkered" finish format will be used for the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series and NASCAR Busch Series beginning with next weekend's races at New Hampshire International Speedway, NASCAR officials announced Thursday.

"The green-white-checkered format is an attempt to achieve everyone's goals -- a green-flag finish," NASCAR President Mike Helton said. "This change hopefully will provide competitive finishes in the relatively rare occasions it is warranted. This format has been successful in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, and considering the tight competition week in and week out in the other two national series, we feel the time is right to use the same procedure in all three national series."


you asked for it you got it
 
I just read on Fox that G/W/C will be implemented across the board in all 3 series, starting with the NH race. Only 1 restart under this format, so a 1 shot deal. I think that is cool , at least there won't be a long extension of the race.
 
I still don't think they should change the rules just because it is the last 5 or so laps of the race. I could get by with out the Red flag use or the C/W/C.

I do like the fact they limited it's use to only once. I was thinking something like a limit of 2 times.
 
i'm glad they're limitting to one use only for now, but it'd be better, imo, to just race back to the yellow and let the race end early if the caution comes out in the last few laps.

this is one fan that wasn't calling for races to end under g/w/c.
 
when the truck series for started out, they had competition cautions, so fuel milage didn't play any role in the outcome of races, and they don't put nearly the same number of laps in as the cup series does, and there have been many truck races where the best car didn't win because of the g/w/c.

i know that the field gets bunched up any time a caution comes out, but one scenario that pops up from time to time that has always rubbed me the wrong way about g/w/c finishes is that someone could have a 5 second lead with a dozen cars between him and second, then someone else makes a mistake with 2 laps to go, and all of a sudden the second place driver is right on his back bumper with three laps to get around him, with little or no incentive not to use his front bumper.

as i said, i know this happens on all cautions, but nowhere else does it have such an obvious affect as when the driver who finishes the prescribed number of laps first ends up losing in a g/w/c after getting spun by someone that had no chance of catching him.
 
Another opinion from a writer I like a lot.


NASCAR OPENED THE FLOOD GATES LONG AGO

Monte Dutton
Gazette Sports Reporter



Funny how some NASCAR drivers have become strict constructionists, all of a sudden. You’d think they were talking about the Ten Commandments. Instead they’re talking about races that end under caution.
It’s almost as if there’s a big sign in the garage area that reads:

WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE RACING TO ANYONE

Yes, races have ended under caution-flag conditions since the first time a few sportsmen decided they’d like to know how fast their horseless carriages would go.

But NASCAR has been abandoning its traditions as if the money-grubbing governing body were wriggling out of a cocoon. Hey, give us back North Wilkesboro and Rockingham. Then we’ll talk about yellow-flag finishes. Make it where we can tell the cars apart without headlight stickers. Let’s have cars on the lead lap because they deserve to be there.

“It seems like they’re trying to do a lot right now in a little bit of time, and it’s getting kind of confusing, I think, for the fans, for the drivers and for the teams to figure it all out,” said reigning champion Matt Kenseth.

“They tell us 500 miles, or 400 miles, or 500 laps or whatever,” said driver Ken Schrader, sounding as if he were imitating John C. Calhoun. “That ought to be the deal. It sounds more like a pickup game or something: ‘Hey, I know we said we’d play to 20 points, but let’s go to 25,’ or something like that. The football game not that exciting? Play a fifth quarter.”

This from a man who thinks the new playoff system is just peachy, mind you. He thinks it’s OK to pull out of Rockingham like a thief in the night. Wonder if they’re still mowing the front straight in North Wilkesboro? Wonder if another rusting utility building has burned, or if one of those old hospitality suites has started to list when the winds roll in off the Brushy Mountains?

Schrader thinks the Southern 500 doesn’t have to be run on Labor Day weekend — and that, in 2005, it doesn’t have to be run at all — but he’s going to draw a line on the notion that races might be extended a couple extra laps to give the fans a full-speed finish?

Look … I’m a traditionalist. I think if NASCAR hadn’t foisted about a thousand cheap charades on the public, they wouldn’t have to worry about fans pelting the track with beer cans “‘cause Junior didn’t win.” They threw that idiotic red flag at Richmond in 1998 without telling a soul it was going to happen. In fact, it could be that they thought it up on the spot.

But they’re stuck with it now, and they’ve created a monster with all the new fans they attracted with all those thrill-a-minute ads that assault the senses and apparently hypnotize the masses into marching hypnotically into the tracks and nodding their heads as NASCAR strips them clean.

Meanwhile, all the drivers, sounding pretty hypnotized themselves, have gone along with every demeaning edict from the Daytona cartel.

But, now, all of a sudden, most of them don’t want the races to end at full speed, huh?

“It’s like changing the rules in the middle of the race,” said Schrader. “It makes it difficult for the race teams to figure, and it can easily change the outcome in a way that is probably not going to be fair in the long run.”

Oh, you mean, like a system that bases the entire championship on 10 races at the end of the year? Or maybe one that requires that its teams spend 40 percent of their budgets on engines that develop 65 percent as much horsepower, and they have to spend those exorbitant sums on only two races at tracks run by the same people who run the races?

“There are no guarantees in racing,” said Kyle Petty. “There is no guarantee that when you buy a ticket to a race, that you are going to see a green-flag finish. It’s like the weather. There is no controlling the weather on race day, and there is no controlling the outcome of a race.”

No controlling the outcome of a race? Apparently these guys haven’t been paying attention.

But you know what? NASCAR officials are going to announce a new way to provide green-flag finishes, and as soon as it comes out, the drivers are going to start singing new tunes.

That’s the way it was with the new playoff system (I try to use that insipid term “Chase for the Championship” as little as possible). That’s the way it was “say goodnight, Rockingham,” “competition red flags” and common templates (that’s “aero-matching” to you, bud).

That’s the way it is with everything.

The proud ones will say, “Well, let’s give it a try and see what happens.” The rest will say, “Wow! What an idea! The leadership of NASCAR is truly extraordinary.”

Remember when racers didn’t have to be “lucky dogs”? Remember when proud men could race without being utterly beholden to the Lords of Big Bubba?

The Kool-Aid is ready. Drink up, boys.
 
I have to laugh at some of the comments by Schrader, i can see his point somewhat, but all the drivers , all the crews, and all the crew chiefs are under the same scenario. They know there might be a G/W/C at the end, so why not plan for it. Like Gollum said it seems to work in the Trucks. I'm kind of sick of the whining to be honest, these guys get paid a lot of money to do what they do, they can't always have it their way. On the other hand Nascar has made a lot of changes in a very small time frame by Nascars' standards, so i can see the other side of the argument also. I do think the best thing they have done, so far as new rules, is eliminating the racing back to the caution. IMO that was just asking for trouble ( as in a fatality do to some drivers' stupidity). Maybe Nascar made too many changes too quickly, but i have to give them this ....at least they are trying. Now if they could just be consistent on their rough driving calls ( is that the correct term?..not sure), then i would be happy as a fan.
 
I hate this GREEN-WHITE-CHECKERED idea; it wont work; and its more dangerous than going green with 10 or less laps to go. THIS IS REDICULOUS

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Hey Nitro how come it works in the Trucks??? I have plenty of Brain Cells left BTW, they might be a little slower at reacting than they used to be, but i still have quite a few intact. :angry:
 
nascar knows they are screwing everything up, their really not doin this for the fans. their just throwin us a bone hoping it will quite us down :bslfag:
 
I think this is the best way to ensure that races end under green. If it worked in the CTS, why can't it work in the Cup series?
 
I think this is the best way to ensure that races end under green.

But, it doesn't insure that the races end under green. It only assures that if there is a caution that they will try 1 more time. If the caution comes out on the G-W-C run, oops, sorry, the race ends under caution. If this was a concern then NASCAR would run unlimited G-W-C until they were able to finish the race w/out a caution. Or darkness overtakes them where they can't see the race track on the non-lighted tracks.

I don't like this. I don't like the new point system. I don't like the lucky dog pass. I don't like not racing back to the line. I don't like the new templates. There should be some more but thats enough for now... :huh:
 
Good points BP, if you look at it that way, it seems Nascar is just trying to appease the masses for the moment. They are not looking ahead and planing for the future.
 
teams are going to plan for the g/w/c, just like they plan for the old way...it might not happen right away, but i'm sure that soon enough we'll see some team win by stretching fuel milage, with the thought that the only way they have a chance at winning is if they have a late race caution and other teams have to come in to top off. then, all of the people that don't like fuel milage races will have something new to complain about.

anyways, i'm not so sure it works well in trucks races. trucks don't come under near the same amount of scrutiny that the cup series does, has significantly fewer laps, and more cautions to minimize fuel strategy races.
 
i don't know if i stated my point well in the last post...if truck races were longer, had fewer cautions, and came under more scrutiny, there could have been cases where the g/w/c would have been criticized more...so we don't really know how well it will work in cup based on the lack of public debate about how effective it might or might not be for trucks.
 
well lets see, tonights truck race.....................already 3 g/w/c attempts with 6 trucks destroyed and the race isn't complete..............
 
Originally posted by bowtie@Jul 17 2004, 07:56 PM
well lets see, tonights truck race.....................already 3 g/w/c attempts with 6 trucks destroyed and the race isn't complete..............
:D :D :D But it turned out to be four!! :)

Sort of what I think...........but one attempt is a good compromise! :cheers:
 
I still like it, but am glad it's only 1 shot at it.

I've watched truck racing since they started, and I've never seen the GWC as wild as it was tonight.
 
Just another "exciting" feature brought to us by bwian and hunter.
 
Atleast they set it so, there will only be 1 try. Shouldnt see tonites catastrophe again.
 
we won't see 4 g/w/c attempts take out 6 competitors, but maybe the knowledge that there will only be one attempt made will lead to an increased sense of urgency and more vehicles destroyed per g/w/c...
 
I was thinking the same thing racefan, only time will tell on how this will play out. I still think they should of started this at the begining of the next season, not in the middle of the year. Then again this is Nascar and stranger things have happened. :rolleyes:
 
I really hate to see what will happen on a plate race. :(
I'm not for g/w/c
 
After watching the Truck Race, I'm interested to see how the GWC gonna do. On all 3 series. They only get 1 GWC finish right?
 
Yep they have one shot at it. It beats red flags and finish under yellow.
 
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