Harvick & Kenseth Fined, Get Probation

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Posted on Wed, Jun. 16, 2004





Kesneth, Harvick fined for antics
late in Sunday's Pocono race

Points aren't part of NASCAR penalities

By JIM UTTER

ThatsRacin.com Writer


Nextel Cup drivers Kevin Harvick and Matt Kenseth were each fined $25,000 by NASCAR and placed on probation until Aug. 11 for bumping incidents between the two during the final laps of Sunday's Pocono 500 at Pocono Raceway in Long Pond, Pa.
Harvick, driver of the No. 29 Chevrolet, and Kenseth, driver of the No. 17 Ford, took part in bumping and spinning out each other during the final caution period of the race, which extended from Lap 197 to 200.

Both drivers were penalized for involvement in an altercation with another competitor during a caution period.

The rift began 11 laps from the finish when Harvick passed Kenseth coming out of Turn 1 and cut in front of Kenseth's car. Kenseth then used the front of his car to lift Harvick's rear wheels and passed him again as the final caution came out.

While the race was under caution, Harvick spun Kenseth into the infield in Turn 3 on lap 197. At the time, no penalties were assessed or drivers or crew chiefs called to the NASCAR hauler.

Kenseth then returned the favor on the backstretch on the following lap, after which NASCAR called both drivers and crew chiefs to the hauler after the race.
 
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Bad boys now go to your "room".


Too bad this is like sending a child to his "room' that contains a TV, Video games, and other toys. In other words, not much of a penalty.
 
List Of Cup Penalties

While this may be a slap on the wrist in the view of some, it is consistent with previous penalties for this sort of thing....

If you look at the list linked above, you will see that all points penalties are for some sort of technical violations (unapproved parts, ride height too low, etc.)
 
Sounds fair to me. There is alot of pressure on the teams and drivers. This type of thing has been going on for the 20 years that I've kept up with NASCAR (even on the local level). I'm sure RCR and Roush tell them to forget the incident and will get them focused on the points race.
 
Who cares anymore.. Let's get on with the next race...These threads are dead!
 
Actually, Kevin was fined 25 grand and 31 points -- the difference between where he was running and being placed at the tail.

Matt lost about the same number of points also --- when he came in to pit.
 
All i can say is that NASCAR was way too soft, if they had suspended them for a race it would of sent a message to the rest of the drivers that they can't screw around. I agree with one of the posters in this thread that NASCAR is just trying to boost ratings.
 
Everyone thinks Tony Stewart has been the guy to cause a lot of problems this year, but I would also like to give that title to Matt Kenseth. Matt isn't as innocent as everyone would like to think. Lets see... The Bristol issue with McMurray, wrecking Harvick at Martinsville, and now Pocono. Sometimes I wonder if Matt thinks he's the only one on the race track.
 
Yeh true, but in this case they were both to blame, i like both drivers, but when you pull crap like that on the track more than a slap on the wrist should be instilled.
 
If it were Harvick and anybody else, both probably would have been suspended. But since it was Kenseth, they couldn't possibly suspend a champion and just gave a slap on the wrist.
 
Originally posted by WideOpenPhoto@Jun 16 2004, 01:08 PM
Who cares anymore.. Let's get on with the next race...These threads are dead!
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Not just dead, pruned to death! :lol: Yes, I can't wait for Sunday! :bounce:
 
Originally posted by 66mustang@Jun 16 2004, 07:52 PM
If it were Harvick and anybody else, both probably would have been suspended. But since it was Kenseth, they couldn't possibly suspend a champion and just gave a slap on the wrist.
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I don't know people have spun people before and not set out a race. But I do agree they were a little less likely to suspend them because a defending champion was in it.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Jun 16 2004, 02:31 PM
Everyone thinks Tony Stewart has been the guy to cause a lot of problems this year, but I would also like to give that title to Matt Kenseth. Matt isn't as innocent as everyone would like to think. Lets see... The Bristol issue with McMurray, wrecking Harvick at Martinsville, and now Pocono. Sometimes I wonder if Matt thinks he's the only one on the race track.
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:eek:
 
why don't they fine nascar for being stupid and running so many caution laps .... oops .... i mean .... well if you bump and hit each other you get fined (I still think harvic should get more of a fine than kenseth)
 
Originally posted by millermagic@Jun 17 2004, 01:23 AM
why don't they fine nascar for being stupid and running so many caution laps .... oops .... i mean .... well if you bump and hit each other you get fined (I still think harvic should get more of a fine than kenseth)
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Maybe Kenseth should get the larger fine. He knew Harvick was gonna get in trouble for the spin. But was dumb enough to pull the same stunt. :lol:
 
Man, I guess I really missed a good one Sunday!! :( I probably would have laughed my behind off with all the Kenseth/Harvick stuff! :) But, I am getting a kick out of reading all your comments. From what I can gather here and what I've read about it, I think NASCAR was correct in the punishment for both drivers...........I mean putting their finishing positions back about 10 places is quite a points hit. And it seems to be equal. The monetary fine was just icing on the cake......and I think 25 grand is something both Matt and Kevin will think about next time. They may make millions but they also have to live within their means.........and we all know, the more you make the more you spend. :D Plus they do have to save for a "rainy day" being in the profession they are in.......that would cut into that fund at the very least. Probation is just to add insult to injury. All in all, I would say the punishment is pretty much in line with the infractions by both drivers. :)

Darn, I miss the old days when fist fights weren't even considered a rules violation!! :D As much as I love the racing, I also love the "entertainment" of NASCAR racing...........I just don't understand the uproar about things like these. Now days, it's a kinder, gentler NASCAR, I guess......one of the changes that is probably good in the long run, but it sure takes some of the fun out of watching the characters of major league stock car racing. :)
 
DE_W really your post is right on the money. For the times we're in, and the image NASCAR is trying to project the fines are fair and equal. However, I'm with you about missing them "old days". It's odd that the fight between Cale and the Allisons are what brought NASCAR to the mainstream attention and fans started flocking in to watch each week, and the action on the track by DE and the many colorful characters of the sport like him. In fact I find it VERY odd how NASCAR punishes these guys like this but yet uses those incidents in their advertising to promote the sport? You can say "well NASCAR doesn't, the media does" but that don't hold water. If NASCAR didn't like it, they would stop it.

:cheers: :cheers:
 
Kevin and Matt should get a percentage for all the footage they are going to show in the next few weeks. Should pay back that fine real fast.
 
Penalties seem consistant to me.

I do wonder exactly what it is that Kenseth does that seems to offend people. Is it the way he blames his crew after he doesn't win a race or maybe the way he curses and swears during interviews? Maybe it's how he always blames the other drivers for his mistakes. Or maybe it simply that he won a championship and their drivers didn't. Sounds like a good reason to hate someone to me.
 
The call was consistant, but with the same guys doing the same thing over and over something else needs to be done. Fining them 25k is like fining us $25.00.
 
If anyone got the better end of the deal, it would be the 17. He did make a pit stop after he spun.

How many fines does Kurt Bush have for all the people he spun out? Remember Bristol last year?
 
Originally posted by SC_29er@Jun 17 2004, 11:17 AM
If anyone got the better end of the deal, it would be the 17. He did make a pit stop after he spun.

How many fines does Kurt Bush have for all the people he spun out? Remember Bristol last year?
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With Nascar it makes a big difference if it's during a race, or after a race. Or with Pocono, during a caution. Kurt sent 'em spinning during the race.

Kind of re-thinking my postion...maybe Nascar should have suspened them both. (Harvick & Kenseth). It more than likely would have dropped the #29 out of the top ten and over 400 points back if he would have to sit out Michigan.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Jun 16 2004, 01:31 PM
Everyone thinks Tony Stewart has been the guy to cause a lot of problems this year, but I would also like to give that title to Matt Kenseth. Matt isn't as innocent as everyone would like to think. Lets see... The Bristol issue with McMurray, wrecking Harvick at Martinsville, and now Pocono. Sometimes I wonder if Matt thinks he's the only one on the race track.
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:bleh:
 
We can make ourselves silly arguing this, but the best thing is to accept NASCAR's decision and let it go.

I certainly don't always agree with NASCAR, but I do see in these cases thet at least try to be consistant.

Who the H*** ever said life is fair? It isn't and we all know that. What makes great people on this earth is the ones that take the good times and take full advantage and go the furthest with it. And when the bad times hit they don't spend a lot of time whinning and complaining how unfair it is but to try and use it to their benifit and gain as much positive from it as possible even if it's just a learning experience.
JMHO
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Jun 17 2004, 11:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Jun 17 2004, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--17_Fan@Jun 17 2004, 12:26 PM



&nbsp; Kurt sent 'em spinning during the race.
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And that makes it right? [/b][/quote]
I didn't say it was right...
 
USAToday Harvick Article

Just some more about the incedent. Harvick claims Kenseth brake checked him. Harvick also thinks the fines are part of NASCAR's attemps to cover up there mistakes.
 
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