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17_Fan
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Way to go Biff!!! Way to give that hypocrite the meaning of the ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’. Hehehe!!!! :lol:
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Happy29
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Yeah, and he payed for it by wrecking his fender, that ought to learn that Biffle to mess with a 4-time champion!
And earn him a trip to the big Red Trailer! Not to smart.
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RobbyG Fan
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Of course had Biffle done that to any other driver besides Jeff Gordon or Junior, he wouldnt have been sent to the red trailer.
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Ward Burton
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I like Jeff Gordon better than Greg Biffle...but that was flat out halarious!!!
97forever
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They should give Biffle an extra 100 points for teaching Jeff a little lesson. A plus is Greg beat him by 14 positions as well!
A plus is Greg beat him by 14 positions as well!
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Hurricane495
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I know it was a bonehead move but very funny
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12racing8wild88child42
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It takes a lot of guts for a rookie to show-up a true-blue champ! My applause for Greg! 
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4xchampncountin
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Even you can not be stupid enough to believe thatOriginally posted by RobbyG Fan@Jul 20 2003, 09:56 PM
Of course had Biffle done that to any other driver besides Jeff Gordon or Junior, he wouldnt have been sent to the red trailer.
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Guido
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Don't see any guts at all.
More like a lack of common sense and maturity.
More like a lack of common sense and maturity.
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12racing8wild88child42
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You have your opinion, I have mine.
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Guido
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You have your opinion, I have mine. [/b][/quote]
Yep!
And I was expressing mine.
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4xchampncountin
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All I saw was a driver that earned some respect at Daytona show a lack of self control and some pretty poor judgement. He messed up his own car by trying to tell Jeff that Gordon should have "given him his lap back". When did racing become about giving anybody anything? How is that Jeff's fault he got himself a lap down in the first place?
I don't really dislike Biffle because of that move, it just wasn't very smart. Jeff is a big boy, he can take care of himself. Biffle will learn a little better than that with time, I hope.
I don't really dislike Biffle because of that move, it just wasn't very smart. Jeff is a big boy, he can take care of himself. Biffle will learn a little better than that with time, I hope.
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Guido
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Maybe....maybe not.
Greg seems not to have a problem with contributing to the NASCAR fund.
Wonder what his fine will be this week.
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4xchampncountin
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I'm not sure what his fine will be or even should be. A lapped car should be penalized for slamming into the leader if it was done intentionally. He did pay a price by damaging his own car in the process, but he had already decided that was worth it apparently. Oh well, it is only money, right? 
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RobbyG Fan
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Funny thing is that in the end Biffle did get the last laugh, since he did finish ahead of Jeff Gordon.
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4xchampncountin
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Biffle finishing ahead of Gordon had nothing to do with Biffle ot what he did. It was poor gas mileage on the 24 team's part and lousy luck in pit timing. Nothing more, nothing less.
97forever
Team Owner
All just opinions.Next week it might be anybody else's favorite driver making a bonehead/brave move.
IMO,I agree with what Greg did...in truth even cheered it---something I don't believe I would have done towards Jeff a year ago.What this new post-Brooke Jeff needs is a little dose of reality.Bumping people off and on all year,whining shamelessly after Robby beat him at infineon,publicily stating he is becoming a newer,more aggressive driver.All actions that could easily be interpreted as almost desperate acts.
Now the Gordon faithful gasp:"Desperate?He's second in points!"Yes,he sure is.And he has to this point in the season the excact same amount of wins as Biffle or Nemechek...not the 4-5 he is used to by this point.A few years back,Gordon WAS unbeatable...now he is second.In points,in popularity and in number of wins.The reality is this:the Gordon-as-dominator era is past.Guys like Ryan and Jimmie and Kurt---and yes even two years older than Jeff Greg Biffle and Robby Gordon have arrived.These guys dont see him as dominator...just as a whining driver who doesn't seem to practice what he preached.
Greg roughed him up a little....the same way Jeff has roughed a few others himself this year.Maybe the new less religious and more aggressive Jeff needs to get a little more of his old style humility back.If not,he can expect to get as good as he gives.
Anyway,just my opinion of it. Not meant to offend or disrupt,though that is very likely to be the case. 
IMO,I agree with what Greg did...in truth even cheered it---something I don't believe I would have done towards Jeff a year ago.What this new post-Brooke Jeff needs is a little dose of reality.Bumping people off and on all year,whining shamelessly after Robby beat him at infineon,publicily stating he is becoming a newer,more aggressive driver.All actions that could easily be interpreted as almost desperate acts.
Now the Gordon faithful gasp:"Desperate?He's second in points!"Yes,he sure is.And he has to this point in the season the excact same amount of wins as Biffle or Nemechek...not the 4-5 he is used to by this point.A few years back,Gordon WAS unbeatable...now he is second.In points,in popularity and in number of wins.The reality is this:the Gordon-as-dominator era is past.Guys like Ryan and Jimmie and Kurt---and yes even two years older than Jeff Greg Biffle and Robby Gordon have arrived.These guys dont see him as dominator...just as a whining driver who doesn't seem to practice what he preached.
Greg roughed him up a little....the same way Jeff has roughed a few others himself this year.Maybe the new less religious and more aggressive Jeff needs to get a little more of his old style humility back.If not,he can expect to get as good as he gives.
Anyway,just my opinion of it.
Not meant to offend or disrupt,though that is very likely to be the case.
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RobbyG Fan
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I wanted to say this, but decided not to.Originally posted by 97forever@Jul 20 2003, 09:15 PM
All just opinions.Next week it might be anybody else's favorite driver making a bonehead/brave move.
IMO,I agree with what Greg did...in truth even cheered it---something I don't believe I would have done towards Jeff a year ago.What this new post-Brooke Jeff needs is a little dose of reality.Bumping people off and on all year,whining shamelessly after Robby beat him at infineon,publicily stating he is becoming a newer,more aggressive driver.All actions that could easily be interpreted as almost desperate acts.
Now the Gordon faithful gasp:"Desperate?He's second in points!"Yes,he sure is.And he has to this point in the season the excact same amount of wins as Biffle or Nemechek...not the 4-5 he is used to by this point.A few years back,Gordon WAS unbeatable...now he is second.In points,in popularity and in number of wins.The reality is this:the Gordon-as-dominator era is past.Guys like Ryan and Jimmie and Kurt---and yes even two years older than Jeff Greg Biffle and Robby Gordon have arrived.These guys dont see him as dominator...just as a whining driver who doesn't seem to practice what he preached.
Greg roughed him up a little....the same way Jeff has roughed a few others himself this year.Maybe the new less religious and more aggressive Jeff needs to get a little more of his old style humility back.If not,he can expect to get as good as he gives.
Anyway,just my opinion of it.
Since you have taken the words out of my mouth...
97forever
Team Owner
And what lesson is that, 97? I seem to remember that Tony wasn't too happy with Ryan a few weeks ago the the exact same thing, but he didn't try to wreck him on the race's restart. So, please, tell me what lesson Jeff learned from Greg Biffle?Originally posted by 97forever@Jul 20 2003, 05:36 PM
They should give Biffle an extra 100 points for teaching Jeff a little lesson.
97forever
Team Owner
Oh geez...Hi Maj!How are you tonight??
Ok then.....
Jeff,it seems like you have been used to having YOUR way most of the season with bullying overtones,lets see how you like the same treatment as you have dished out all year?
No?
How about:thought you didn't much care for racing back to the caution?You sure sounded that way the other day!
Otherwise...how have you been Maj?
Ok then.....
Jeff,it seems like you have been used to having YOUR way most of the season with bullying overtones,lets see how you like the same treatment as you have dished out all year?
No?
How about:thought you didn't much care for racing back to the caution?You sure sounded that way the other day!
Otherwise...how have you been Maj?
Trying to weasel out of this one, aren't ya! I myself haven't been pleased with some of Jeff's actions this year. But did that give Biffle the right to try to take him out of the race on the restart???? Absolutely not! I even thought that Crusty needed his little primadonna hand smacked for his little ontrack incident with Tony, but of course NASCAR wouldn't dare do that, he's a veteran therefore he must have been in the right. LOL
Oh, and I'm just fine. Thanks for askin'. Jimmie Johnson won the race today!!!!
Oh, and I'm just fine. Thanks for askin'. Jimmie Johnson won the race today!!!!
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RobbyG Fan
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From Nascar.com:
I see Jeff Gordon doesnt practice what he preaches, not much of a gentleman move that was eh?
I see Jeff Gordon doesnt practice what he preaches, not much of a gentleman move that was eh?
97forever
Team Owner
Well actually,yes.I am trying to weasel out of this one! At least where YOU are concerned...
And I never approve of bumping tactics..I don't care who bumps whom.Biffle was a bit aggressive,no doubt.But better to appear hot-headed than hypocritical,IMO.Maybe,just maybe....the ironyof the situation will dawn on Jeff.And if so,Greg was the teacher.
And congrats to JJ,BTW.
At least where YOU are concerned...And I never approve of bumping tactics..I don't care who bumps whom.Biffle was a bit aggressive,no doubt.But better to appear hot-headed than hypocritical,IMO.Maybe,just maybe....the ironyof the situation will dawn on Jeff.And if so,Greg was the teacher.
And congrats to JJ,BTW.
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Happy29
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(sigh) Guess it's time to get Kevin Harvick to teach Greg Biffle a lesson again ? Listen, this gentleman's agreement rule is crap, WHAT OBLIGATION DID JEFF GORDON HAVE TO GIVE BIFFLE HIS LAP BACK ?! This agreement has been the pinnacle of controversy, agreement or not, it needs to be rid of and let the drivers decide on their own, because last I checked, you didnt need to give people a lap back if you were the leader.
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17_Fan
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Glad you posted this, as I read though all the replies, was wondering why it wasn't brought up. Thkx RobbyG. Jeff Gordon got what he deserved for being a lying jack ass. NASCAR won't fine Biffle either.
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17_Fan
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And what lesson would that be? It seems to me that Kevin was the one held out of a race for being an ass clown.
So, I guess he should have slammed on his brakes just to let Biffle get back on the lead lap??????? Looking at the replay, that is exactly what he would have had to do. There was another car behind Jeff Gordon that held Biffle up getting back to the line. To race someone back to the line you have to be close enough. I'm done.
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17_Fan
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Oh, baloney!
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17_Fan
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I watched my tape of the race. Greg was behind Tony, who was about 3 car lengths behind the #24. Then they cut away to show Rusty Wallace spinning out & then cut back to the race back to the caution. Tony slowed down, but the #24 ran 'all out' back to the line because when the cut back to that scene, Biffle was just getting around Tony & #24 was about 30 car lengths ahead of Tony. Guess the #24 was worried that the #16 car was going to beat him. Jeff Green wasn't too pleased with the #24 either. Not sure why? Wonder why we haven't heard the #24's side of the story? Usually he is the 1st one that the press sticks the microphone in front of.
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RobbyG Fan
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In response to a question as to why we havent heard Jeff's side of the story yet in another thread, here was my response:
I think anything that Jeff has to say at this point is irrelevant. Like I said before, he raises hell about Robby's pass but not a peep from him about Jimmie's pass, and both were exactly the same situation.
I think more drivers and fans are seeing the hypocrisy that is there in Jeff's comments and are taking it at him concerning this issue. Note: Jeff Green was also upset with Jeff Gordon, not only Greg Biffle.
We have 2 threads about this topic running at the same time.
I think anything that Jeff has to say at this point is irrelevant. Like I said before, he raises hell about Robby's pass but not a peep from him about Jimmie's pass, and both were exactly the same situation.
I think more drivers and fans are seeing the hypocrisy that is there in Jeff's comments and are taking it at him concerning this issue. Note: Jeff Green was also upset with Jeff Gordon, not only Greg Biffle.
We have 2 threads about this topic running at the same time.
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Happy29
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And what lesson would that be? It seems to me that Kevin was the one held out of a race for being an ass clown. [/b][/quote]
Of course, he's a very aggressive driver... at least he didnt win a race the gay way on fuel mileage.
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Ward Burton
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Of course, he's a very aggressive driver... at least he didnt win a race the gay way on fuel mileage. [/b][/quote]
Then what are crew chiefs for? I thought they were there to win races...2 words. Pit Strategy.
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Happy29
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Heres my view, people keep playing this gentleman's rule thing, forget it. Here you have Biffle, coming off winning a race at Daytona by just pure luck, he hits Jeff Gordon, gets damaged for it, damages Gordon and doesnt get fined ? That's an idiotic move by NASCAR not to reprimand Biffle, Biffle couldve spun Gordon out and caused a big accident, especially when the cars were going 2 by 2 and everyone was jumbled up but I guess then in usual Greg Biffle fasion, he bitches about it to NASCAR and gets off, just like he did at the Busch race at Bristol when he booted Kevin Harvick into the wall. Here's the point, Jeff didnt need to give Greg a lap back, and Greg whines about it and blatantly tries to take Gordon out on the restart; If Jeff did slow down, Biffle wouldnt have gotten his lap back anyway because Jeff Gordon was already racing someone else so I commend Jeff Gordon for what he did. Well, there's my point
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Splunge
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I guess you would be a fan of a series of shorter races...maybe 15-30 laps...
Then we could do away with those pesky pit stops altogether! (I hate it when someone gains a position just cuz they change four tires and fuel in 14 seconds versus 19...so unfair!)
Heck, let's just let em qualify, and stop there! Fastest car wins right?!
(I'm sure you know how many laps in the top 10 jj ran on Sunday, so I won't even bring that up.)
BUT, you do make a good argument here:
Keep em Racing!
Cheers!
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Ward Burton
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I agree.
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RobbyG Fan
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I disagree. First of all I would not call Greg Biffle winning Daytona luck. Sure it was an upset, but not a win based on luck. Second, wether you win a race with fuel mileage or just flat out dominating, in the end, a win is a win. You get it not matter what happened during the race, the trophy is still there.
I have seen many replays of the incident, Stewart slowed down, Biffle already had passed him and Green was in the process, and Jeff Gordon just kept motoring away. Im sorry but if he had a prior engagement with Biffle then he should honor it. It was a classless move by Jeff Gordon. These types of moves, as well as whining about the Robby Gordon incident and not saying a word about the Jimmie Johnson incident, and himself being guilty about the gentleman's rule, have proven that he is a hypocrit and drivers will start noticing this, if they havent already, and will loose respect towards Jeff Gordon.
You claim that Biffle could have caused an incident, but he didnt did he? No. You claim that Biffle should have been fined. If thats the case the Rusty and Stewart should have been fined as well, correct? And to top it off, we quoted from Nascar that the officials agreed with Biffle. So why are we arguing here? Biffle was correct in Nascar's point of view, and thats what matters.
Happy29, I think your hatred for Biffle is clouding your judgement.
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Happy29
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I disagree. First of all I would not call Greg Biffle winning Daytona luck. Sure it was an upset, but not a win based on luck. Second, wether you win a race with fuel mileage or just flat out dominating, in the end, a win is a win. You get it not matter what happened during the race, the trophy is still there.
I have seen many replays of the incident, Stewart slowed down, Biffle already had passed him and Green was in the process, and Jeff Gordon just kept motoring away. Im sorry but if he had a prior engagement with Biffle then he should honor it. It was a classless move by Jeff Gordon. These types of moves, as well as whining about the Robby Gordon incident and not saying a word about the Jimmie Johnson incident, and himself being guilty about the gentleman's rule, have proven that he is a hypocrit and drivers will start noticing this, if they havent already, and will loose respect towards Jeff Gordon.
You claim that Biffle could have caused an incident, but he didnt did he? No. You claim that Biffle should have been fined. If thats the case the Rusty and Stewart should have been fined as well, correct? And to top it off, we quoted from Nascar that the officials agreed with Biffle. So why are we arguing here? Biffle was correct in Nascar's point of view, and thats what matters.
Happy29, I think your hatred for Biffle is clouding your judgement. [/b][/quote]
Classless move ? Oh, dont tell me, the Gentleman's Agreement WHICH HAS BEEN MADE A RULE NOW BY EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT NASCAR WHERE IT REALLY COUNTS is the motivating factor behind this situation. I'll reiterate what I said, Gordon did not have an obligation to give Biffle his lap back period. And you're wrong about Jeff Gordon being a hypocrite, you know why ? Because Jimmie Johnson is not Jeff Gordon, Jeff need not defend another driver's actions; how would you like it if Michael Waltrip did the same thing and everyone wanted Dale Jr. to speak about it ? Well, I voiced out my point of view, the case is closed for me.
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RobbyG Fan
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Happy29,
you are wrong. Gordon DID have an obligation to give Biffle his lap back because they made a prior engagement that he would do so.
you are wrong. Gordon DID have an obligation to give Biffle his lap back because they made a prior engagement that he would do so.