Hendrick and Roush satellite teams

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It should be obvious by now that Stewart-Haas is a satellite team, almost an extension of Hendrick. Tony Stewart was on the phone with Rick Hendrick after his win before he got out of the car. Roush's satellite team is Yates Racing and they run like crap, had to park one car because of no sponsorship. Doesn't this show that Hendrick will spend whatever it takes to bend the rules and win and Roush wants to win as long as it doesn't cost too much? The difference between these operations is night and day.

Will we suddenly see Yates run better when McMurray pops up over there next year?
 
Yates routinely hires awful drivers...I mean, hell, their lineup this year was Kvapil and Paul frickin Menard. I would think if Roush really had their hands in Yates as deep as you think they would hire drives who actually stand a chance of being competitive.

Stewart Haas may be really close to Hendrick now, but as the team becomes more established it will likely start to drift away into its own solitary entity.

Stupid stance anyway, the few big teams supply engines and other equipment all the time.
 
Isn't this the way it was fifty years ago when Ford, Chevy, Dodge and all of the rest of the manufacturers supplied cars and engines to the teams? In years past, if you needed a part you went to one of your competitors and bought at the track. There have been chassis manufacturers around for years. There have been engine builders around for years.

Yes, Stewart is getting motors and chassis from Hendrick but his shop still puts everything together.

And to hijack the thread, who are the only two drivers in Hendricks equipment who hasn't won this year.:D
 
My point is this. Hendrick was and still is offering to supply Stewart-Haas with engines, chassis, etc. They have taken advantage of that and have the makings of a good team. Roush offered to supply chassis to Yates in exchange for engines. Roush cars have plenty of horsepower and win races, Yates has mediocre drivers and can't get sponsors. Looks to me Hendrick was willing to have two unofficial cars on his team while Roush was just interested in getting stout engines regardless if Yates succeeded or not.
 
MRM said:
My point is this. Hendrick was and still is offering to supply Stewart-Haas with engines, chassis, etc. They have taken advantage of that and have the makings of a good team. Roush offered to supply chassis to Yates in exchange for engines. Roush cars have plenty of horsepower and win races, Yates has mediocre drivers and can't get sponsors. Looks to me Hendrick was willing to have two unofficial cars on his team while Roush was just interested in getting stout engines regardless if Yates succeeded or not.
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Doesn't that sound like Jack, something he would do?
 
One day it will be manufacturer vs. manufacturer with only a different name atop the owner list. Oh wait, isn't it already that way? Hendrick, Roush, Penske and Gibbs.
 
Newman was on tv last weekend talking about how they have an open book policy with hendrick. If they need any information its there but it also goes the other way from haas to hendrick as well.


Sounds like what teams do in every other form of racing.
 
What does all this mean for Hall of Fame racing. Its an alliance team of Yates, which is an alliance with Roush. Copy of a copy? :D
 
carsntunes said:
What does all this mean for Hall of Fame racing. Its an alliance team of Yates, which is an alliance with Roush. Copy of a copy? :D
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It's like recopying a Xerox copy. With each copy off another copy, the quality gets worse.
 
Somehow that copy of copy ended up with the only competent drive in the Yates stable, even if he is old and way past his prime.
 
Spike said:
Somehow that copy of copy ended up with the only competent drive in the Yates stable, even if he is old and way past his prime.
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"Old".

:rolleyes:

Bobby Labonte is 45 years old.

Mark Martin's 50, and he's still winning!
 
Good gawd, Bobby Labonte old? I remember when he was the champ at Caraway Speedway. BTW, anyone care to make a guess at the top NASCAR (Cup N'wide and truck) drivers that are past Caraway Speedway champs?
 
buckaroo said:
Good gawd, Bobby Labonte old? I remember when he was the champ at Caraway Speedway. BTW, anyone care to make a guess at the top NASCAR (Cup N'wide and truck) drivers that are past Caraway Speedway champs?
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stop that stuff buckaroo, take it to the Nascar Trivia thread. :D
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
"Old".

:rolleyes:

Bobby Labonte is 45 years old.

Mark Martin's 50, and he's still winning!
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Bobby hasn't won a race in the past 6 years. Mark has won 6 races in the past ten years. Riding around and getting lucky once in a while just isn't racing.

I like both of these guys and I am older than both of them but I know they are past their prime...
 
MRM said:
It's like recopying a Xerox copy. With each copy off another copy, the quality gets worse.
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Well Hendrick must have it right and he's making copies from the original so all copies are good ones, the copies at tewart Haas are running as good as his top teams. :beerbang:
 
Smoke14 said:
Bobby hasn't won a race in the past 6 years. Mark has won 6 races in the past ten years. Riding around and getting lucky once in a while just isn't racing.

I like both of these guys and I am older than both of them but I know they are past their prime...
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Maybe true about Bobby. But Mark is a rare physical specimen.
 
But Mark is a rare physical specimen.
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Yes he is. But he is still 50 years old. If he makes the chase the schedule will take its toll on him...
 
Smoke14 said:
Bobby hasn't won a race in the past 6 years. Mark has won 6 races in the past ten years. Riding around and getting lucky once in a while just isn't racing.

I like both of these guys and I am older than both of them but I know they are past their prime...
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Smoke has 0 wins this year as well as Hamlin, Edwards, Harvick, Johnson, and a host of others. So, if Martin's 2 wins means nothing, what does that make them. Come on, give martin some credit.
 
Smoke14 said:
Bobby hasn't won a race in the past 6 years. Mark has won 6 races in the past ten years. Riding around and getting lucky once in a while just isn't racing.

I like both of these guys and I am older than both of them but I know they are past their prime...
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average finish for Martin and Stewart
2000 Mark-13.6
Tony-12.4
01 Mark 17.9
Tony- 17.0
02 Mark- 12.2
Tony- 12.6
03 Mark- 20.3
Tony-14.6
04 Mark- 13.8
Tony- 12.9
05 Mark-13.2
Tony- 9.9
06 Mark-14.2
Tony13.8
07 Mark- 14.5
Tony- 13.1
08 Mark-13.3
Tony- 14.9
looks prettyclose to me....... in fact Mark had a better average finish last year. Now, Mark has good equipment, something lackin in the last few years and Mark has 3 poles and 2 wins............ Stewart- 0 fer...........

Riding around past his prime I think not. I just would love to know what Marks career woulda been like if he had switched to HMS 10 years ago........
And for the record, lets not forget Mark easily could have at least three wins in the past two years if not for gas milage, poor pit calls and the deal at Daytona......... so, say what ya will, but give the man credit. With his workout and work ethic, I would gladly put him against ANYONE in the chase, even those half his age......................
 
I just would love to know what Marks career woulda been like if he had switched to HMS 10 years ago........
And for the record, lets not forget Mark easily could have at least three wins in the past two years if not for gas milage, poor pit calls and the deal at Daytona.........
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Would have, could have and might have! The same could be said of 25 other drivers. The fact is it did not happen... Kyle won almost as many races last year as all fifty year old drivers total since 1960.
 
I find this absolutely hilarious that people are arguing the fact of Mark Martin being a good driver or not. Unbelievable.

The guy is part of the '50 Greatest Drivers' in NASCAR.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I find this absolutely hilarious that people are arguing the fact of Mark Martin being a good driver or not. Unbelievable.

The guy is part of the '50 Greatest Drivers' in NASCAR.
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It's just that Mark has made of himself what he is. Just as in the NFL and Bret Favre, Mark has upset fans, for whatever reason, when he said that he was going to retire or semi-retire and then didn't. Also, there are those fans who are manufacture loyal who hate that Mark switched from Ford to Chevy and then has said many times that he is in the best equipment he's ever been in. I don't know if that is supposed to be a jab at Roush, but I don't think ol' Jack thinks too much of Mark these days.

So, is Mark a good driver? Yes and in fact, he still one of the best that has ever raced in NASCAR. Is is better than most? Depends on who you ask but he is letting his own driving do the talking. But the emphasis these days is on the younger drivers, and not long ago, the majority of the top drivers were in their 40's. Times have changed and Mark is probably going to be the last of that generation of great drivers.
 
So let's see......

There's been 175 drivers since 1949 to win a race in NASCAR. Mark Martin falls in at #18 on that list with 37 wins. One of the best drivers in the history? Undebatable! Facts are facts. Opinions on the other hand. We all know the answer to that. :beerbang:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So let's see......

There's been 175 drivers since 1949 to win a race in NASCAR. Mark Martin falls in at #18 on that list with 37 wins. One of the best drivers in the history? Undebatable! Facts are facts. Opinions on the other hand. We all know the answer to that. :beerbang:
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Here is the top 20:

1 Richard Petty 200
2 David Pearson 105
3 Bobby Allison 85
4 Darrell Waltrip 84
5 Cale Yarborough 83
6 Jeff Gordon 81
7 Dale Earnhardt Sr. 76
8 Rusty Wallace 55
9 Lee Petty 54
10 Ned Jarrett 50
11 Junior Johnson 50
12 Herb Thomas 48
13 Buck Baker 46
14 Bill Elliott 44
15 Tim Flock 39
16 Bobby Isaac 37
17 Mark Martin 35
18 Jimmie Johnson 33
19 Fireball Roberts 33
20 Dale Jarrett 32

Only three of them still racing full time. Two of them who has more wins has been racing less time. Do you see my point? I like Mark but he is past his prime.
 
Smoke14 said:
Here is the top 20:

1 Richard Petty 200
2 David Pearson 105
3 Bobby Allison 85
4 Darrell Waltrip 84
5 Cale Yarborough 83
6 Jeff Gordon 81
7 Dale Earnhardt Sr. 76
8 Rusty Wallace 55
9 Lee Petty 54
10 Ned Jarrett 50
11 Junior Johnson 50
12 Herb Thomas 48
13 Buck Baker 46
14 Bill Elliott 44
15 Tim Flock 39
16 Bobby Isaac 37
17 Mark Martin 35
18 Jimmie Johnson 33
19 Fireball Roberts 33
20 Dale Jarrett 32

Only three of them still racing full time. Two of them who has more wins has been racing less time. Do you see my point? I like Mark but he is past his prime.
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No, I don't see your point. Sorry. What is your point?
 
Eagle1 said:
So where is Stewart on that list, he has 33 wins?
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1 Richard Petty 200
2 David Pearson 105
3 Bobby Allison 85
4 Darrell Waltrip 84
5 Cale Yarborough 83
6 Jeff Gordon 82
7 Dale Earnhardt 76
8 Rusty Wallace 55
9 Lee Petty 54
10 Ned Jarrett 50
11 Junior Johnson 50
12 Herb Thomas 48
13 Buck Baker 46
14 Bill Elliott 44
15 Jimmie Johnson 41
16 Tim Flock 39
17 Bobby Isaac 37
18 Mark Martin 37
19 Fireball Roberts 33
20 Tony Stewart 33
 
muggle not said:
Smoke has 0 wins this year as well as Hamlin, Edwards, Harvick, Johnson, and a host of others. So, if Martin's 2 wins means nothing, what does that make them. Come on, give martin some credit.
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Muggle Jimmie won at Martinsville :D
 
Newracefan said:
Muggle Jimmie won at Martinsville :D
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And so has Stewart but not a points race, yet. If you look at the great drivers, they are all close to winning 10% of the races they have entered. Jeff Gordon is near 15%. JJ is at 15%

Mark is at 5%.
 
Smoke14 said:
And so has Stewart but not a points race, yet. If you look at the great drivers, they are all close to winning 10% of the races they have entered. Jeff Gordon is near 15%. JJ is at 15%

Mark is at 5%.
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And Mark also chokes when it comes down to winning Championships.
 
Smoke14 said:
And so has Stewart but not a points race, yet. If you look at the great drivers, they are all close to winning 10% of the races they have entered. Jeff Gordon is near 15%. JJ is at 15%

Mark is at 5%.
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Mopardh9 said:
And Mark also chokes when it comes down to winning Championships.
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Boy, very compelling arguments! I think that you now have me convinced. Mark Martin has to be one of the worst drivers out there! :sarcasm:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Boy, very compelling arguments! I think that you now have me convinced. Mark Martin has to be one of the worst drivers out there! :sarcasm:
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I never said Mark was a bad driver. He is one of my favorites and I am damn glad to have him in a GM product. If you look at the odds, after forty years of age drivers as a rule are not highly productive. Past fifty years old even less productive.

Mark is a class act. I would love to see him win the chase this year. All I am saying is the deck is now stacked against him.
 
Smoke14 said:
I never said Mark was a bad driver. He is one of my favorites and I am damn glad to have him in a GM product. If you look at the odds, after forty years of age drivers as a rule are not highly productive. Past fifty years old even less productive.

Mark is a class act. I would love to see him win the chase this year. All I am saying is the deck is now stacked against him.
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Maybe so, but I guess I am more of the 'what have you done for me lately' guy. 2 out of 11 doesn't look to bad right now! :beerbang:

My guy, Jr., O for 11 sucks! :mad:
 
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