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Hendrick: COT's gray area should be better defined
Owner believes crew chiefs did not bend the rules
By Dave Rodman, NASCAR.COM
June 23, 2007
07:54 PM EDT

type size: + -SONOMA, Calif. -- Owner Rick Hendrick ardently defended two of his four race teams at Infineon Raceway on Saturday, one day after the cars of Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson were held out of practice and qualifying for Sunday's Toyota/Save Mart 350.

Gordon and Johnson's Chevrolet failed initial inspection when the dimensions of their front fenders were deemed to be outside NASCAR tolerances.

The infraction forces Gordon, the defending champion of the event and the Nextel Cup points leader, to line his No. 24 Chevrolet up 41st and Johnson, the defending Cup champion, next to Gordon in 42nd.

"I wish we could stamp the bodies and give them to us. If it's got a serial number on it from NASCAR and we haven't altered the serial number, we're in good shape."
Rick HendrickBoth men practiced Saturday, with Gordon third in the first practice and both he and Johnson in the top 10 in Happy Hour.

"This is a penalty," Hendrick said adamantly. "We're behind everybody else because we didn't get any track time [Friday]. Starting in the rear, nobody's ever done it and won a race here.

"This is a big penalty not being able to qualify and get a good starting spot and a good pit spot. I'm not going to say it's impossible [to overcome] but we're just hoping for a good finish. If these two cars finish in the top 10 [Sunday] I'll be real happy."

NASCAR indicated further sanctions might be forthcoming after next week's competition meetings, and Hendrick said he had already begun pleading his case.

"We'll have to see what the penalty is," Hendrick said. "But I don't think that the penalty fits the crime in this case, when you're talking about the top of a fender and you're doing it by hand.

"Is somebody going to decide a championship that way? That'll be an awfully tough deal."

Hendrick is trying to make a case that his men did nothing new with their adjustments.

"Well, I don't necessarily say they bent the rules -- I think they thought they were working inside an area in which they could," Hendrick said. "The fenders on the car are sitting out there in front of God and everybody, so if you're going to try to do something to gain an advantage you wouldn't do it rolling through inspection.

"I think it's a gray area and this Car of Tomorrow is going to be hard, unless you've got a digital machine here and you're going to coordinates-measure everything, you're going to be in a gray area -- and then what happens?

"It's going to be tough, as we go forward, on what's intentional and what's accidental and how they handle it, so you're definitely going to have to show up with these things measured up."

He even said, given a six-race suspension to Dale Earnhardt Inc. crew chief Tony Eury Jr. along with severe monetary and points penalties for the first COT violation, that he couldn't definitely advise his crews not to explore gray areas.

"Yeah, but what's gray?" Hendrick said. "When they send out a bulletin and say, 'You mess with this part and you're going to get a stiff deal?' And then you look at an area of the body that's hand-made -- I don't know.

"We're just going to have to go back and make sure that we know what the tolerances are and we stay there. Whatever happens, we wish it hadn't. We came out here to try to win this race and now we're going to try to survive it. We've already gotten a big penalty, so we'll go on."

Hendrick said the reason his cars for drivers Casey Mears and Kyle Busch passed inspection and the others did not was because the 24 and 48 are prepared in a shop separate from their teammates.

While he cited the fact that the COT machines from the five previous Hendrick Motorsports victories -- the first five COT races this season -- had been painstakingly inspected by NASCAR at its research and development center in Concord, N.C., he acknowledged the possibility of further sanctions.

"I don't see it as a situation where you have a certified part that's been altered or anything like that," Hendrick said. "I walked through the garage and looked at other cars and the fenders and where they've been pushed down and pulled out.

"It's going to be tough to do. I wish we could stamp the bodies and give them to us. Just give us a body that's stamped, we'll put it on the car and that's it. If it's got a serial number on it from NASCAR and we haven't altered the serial number, we're in good shape."

Hendrick didn't dwell on any possible penalties, saying his immediate concern is Sunday's race.

"It's already slowed the momentum and we're going to suffer through this race [Sunday]," Hendrick said. "On a road course, when they string out, you're a quarter of a mile behind and you're not going to make that up. It will have to be good strategy and get the best finish that we can. We've had good momentum and this will tell what we're made of. We just gotta suck it up and do the best with what we've got.

"We want to play by the rules. I don't enjoy this, the guys don't enjoy this and I'm sure NASCAR doesn't enjoy this. It's an interpretation of what's OK and what's not OK, and that's tough."

Hendrick argued that without laser-measuring devices at the track, exact specifications could not be determined, saying "I bet if you took the top 10 cars that finish this race to the [R&D] center and you take a coordinate machine and measure them, they're going to be off.

"There is no way humanly possible you can hold tolerances closer than you do a factory car that is built by General Motors, Ford or Chrysler."

Hendrick admitted he might have under-estimated NASCAR's seriousness in enforcing its strict standards for the COT.

"We hate it happened," Hendrick said. "I would like to think when you come in and you've got something that needs correcting the guys would say, 'We don't like the looks of this -- fix it,' rather than go through all this. But they're the boss and we live by the rules."
 
"We want to play by the rules. I don't enjoy this, the guys don't enjoy this and I'm sure NASCAR doesn't enjoy this. It's an interpretation of what's OK and what's not OK, and that's tough."

Did I just read that correctly? :eek:

Hmmmmm...I wonder what the #5 & #25 think about the #24 & #48 getting the good stuff in a different shop.

Mr. Hendrick, you've been busted.
 
"We want to play by the rules. I don't enjoy this, the guys don't enjoy this and I'm sure NASCAR doesn't enjoy this. It's an interpretation of what's OK and what's not OK, and that's tough."

Did I just read that correctly? :eek:

Hmmmmm...I wonder what the #5 & #25 think about the #24 & #48 getting the good stuff in a different shop.

Mr. Hendrick, you've been busted.

He has been busted several times. :D ;)
 
I have a mental picture of the "claw". I would assume that if the body fit into the claw's test points the parts in-between the test points were NOT to be tested. So if a team wished to make a hump or valley between the test points and the body still fit the test points.. it should still be legal.
If NASCAR wanted more of the body to comply they should put more test points on the claw.
Racing has always been about advantage. A big part of the race is advantage. A little different camshaft, a little stronger piston rod or a little different rear gear.. all can lend a bit of an advantage. So if NASCAR says the body should fit THESE claw points and it does... then the body should be a legal part.
If NASCAR wants the bodies to all be EXACT then more claw points should be added.
I would say this even if it was Robby or ANYONE else that had been reprimanded. My opinion is, totally equal race cars will make for terrible races. Winning is a TEAM endeavor... everyone does their best to get their car to the front... The winning car might be because a single employee came upon something that enables their car to go to the front.
Betsy
 
I dunno why anyone would even something with this brick car try after the stiff penalty Jr & DEI got when they messed with the spoiler. Man Hendrick is always trying to lean on NASCAR to get favoritism...
 
I thought NASCAR made it very clear that they were gonna have zero tolerance when it came to gray areas on the COT. He doesn't have any argument there.
 
Hendrick admitted he might have under-estimated NASCAR's seriousness in enforcing its strict standards for the COT.

I missed that part. He didn't take them seriously. Big mistake.
 
I have a mental picture of the "claw". I would assume that if the body fit into the claw's test points the parts in-between the test points were NOT to be tested. So if a team wished to make a hump or valley between the test points and the body still fit the test points.. it should still be legal.
If NASCAR wanted more of the body to comply they should put more test points on the claw.
Racing has always been about advantage. A big part of the race is advantage. A little different camshaft, a little stronger piston rod or a little different rear gear.. all can lend a bit of an advantage. So if NASCAR says the body should fit THESE claw points and it does... then the body should be a legal part.
If NASCAR wants the bodies to all be EXACT then more claw points should be added.
I would say this even if it was Robby or ANYONE else that had been reprimanded. My opinion is, totally equal race cars will make for terrible races. Winning is a TEAM endeavor... everyone does their best to get their car to the front... The winning car might be because a single employee came upon something that enables their car to go to the front.
Betsy

I agree with ya Betsy
 
Which is exactly what I was thinking, which means, "Duh Rick, there is NO grey area!"

no, there are grey areas, but NASCAR makes up the rules as they go. Jr felt the wrath of this, and now Hendrick is. Atleast Hendrick exploited this fact and defended his teams. NASCAR built the COT, and they should have gave the teams every rule with it instead of making them up as they go. Hendrick is a smart person, and the 24 and 48 teams went right to work in that area because NASCAR never told them they couldn't. Again, that shows NASCAR's inconsistency in their rules package.
 
Guess Rick will have to stop payment on that check he sent to MR. Darby:growl:
 
Does anyone know why P J Jones starts 43rd? Not that it makes a big difference for gordon or johnson but I have not heard anything about an engine change or anything else on the 00.
:beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang:
 
I have a mental picture of the "claw". I would assume that if the body fit into the claw's test points the parts in-between the test points were NOT to be tested. So if a team wished to make a hump or valley between the test points and the body still fit the test points.. it should still be legal.
If NASCAR wanted more of the body to comply they should put more test points on the claw.
Racing has always been about advantage. A big part of the race is advantage. A little different camshaft, a little stronger piston rod or a little different rear gear.. all can lend a bit of an advantage. So if NASCAR says the body should fit THESE claw points and it does... then the body should be a legal part.
If NASCAR wants the bodies to all be EXACT then more claw points should be added.
I would say this even if it was Robby or ANYONE else that had been reprimanded. My opinion is, totally equal race cars will make for terrible races. Winning is a TEAM endeavor... everyone does their best to get their car to the front... The winning car might be because a single employee came upon something that enables their car to go to the front.
Betsy
I agree. if it's in the square, it should be legal.
 
Am I missing something here ?? I thought NASCAR made it very clear what the rules were/are concerning the COT. How can there be confusion ???

Rick Hendrick claiming "gray area" and others saying NASCAR is inconsistent. I do not see inconsistency by NASCAR, yet.
Inconsistency might be declared once penalties are assessed and that could be awhile if Hendrick continues with appeals.
Appeals and final decision could easily run through the chase, a bad time for any team to lose their crew chief.

NASCAR has a lot riding on the penalties assessed for this infraction but they have dealt with administering a severe penalty to the most popular driver, owner and team and now must deal with handing down penalties to the two most successful drivers, car owner and teams. If NASCAR wants to maintain credibility, how they deal with these infractions will be all telling.
 
Does anyone know why P J Jones starts 43rd? Not that it makes a big difference for gordon or johnson but I have not heard anything about an engine change or anything else on the 00.
:beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang:

He is using the PC provisional because no one needed it, and he was the next fastest q'ing time.
 
no, there are grey areas, but NASCAR makes up the rules as they go. Jr felt the wrath of this, and now Hendrick is. Atleast Hendrick exploited this fact and defended his teams. NASCAR built the COT, and they should have gave the teams every rule with it instead of making them up as they go. Hendrick is a smart person, and the 24 and 48 teams went right to work in that area because NASCAR never told them they couldn't. Again, that shows NASCAR's inconsistency in their rules package.


No You're WRONG!

ZERO Tolorance means NO Grey Areas! If you want to keep playing in there you're going to get burned!
 
no, zero tolerance says WHAT WE SAY SHOULD FIT, SHOULD FIT.


The template fit the cars just fine.
 
No You're WRONG!

ZERO Tolorance means NO Grey Areas! If you want to keep playing in there you're going to get burned!

There is no such thing as zero tolerance when you make up the rules as you go.

It's not Hendrick's fault NASCAR didn't give the teams a consistent rules package. NASCAR handed out the rules, and it never said you can't work between the templates. Hmmmm, all of the sudden NASCAR says you can't. Once again, that shows NASCAR's inconsistency with their rules package.
 
No You're WRONG!

ZERO Tolorance means NO Grey Areas! If you want to keep playing in there you're going to get burned!

I agree Eagle1 and it's how the cars they are racing today got so out of whack, they didn't start being really harsh right off the bat.
IMO they are on the right track and with the teams they've dinged there really won't be any excuse for others to even try to mess with 'em.

I also find it somewhat laughable to think that the boys didn't know exactly what they were playing with. I mean c'mon, these guys are amongst the best in the business and know what they are doing.
JMO
 
Its because of Hendricks' interpretation of the "gray" area is why we seem to have such stiff penalites for cheating, er, added downforce. Go figure.
 
There is no such thing as zero tolerance when you make up the rules as you go.

To those who make accusations of NASCAR making rule changes as they go along, please be specific. It is easy to say these things but it is my understanding NASCAR has been exceptionally clear when informing teams of specifications and/or changes to the COT. :confused:

So the ball is in the court of the "conspiracy theorists", and an answer sought seeking a logical explanation.

Is there anyone making the accusation who would care to enlighten and assist this old man by broadening his knowledge base about the issue under discussion ??????:einstein:
 
There is no such thing as zero tolerance when you make up the rules as you go.

It's not Hendrick's fault NASCAR didn't give the teams a consistent rules package. NASCAR handed out the rules, and it never said you can't work between the templates. Hmmmm, all of the sudden NASCAR says you can't. Once again, that shows NASCAR's inconsistency with their rules package.
Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.

They said no tampering with the COT.

Hendrick tampered with COT and has won 6 races because of a "gray area."

They've been busted. End of story.
 
Hendrick tampered with COT and has won 6 races because of a "gray area."

Hendrick won six races with the COT because they have the best cars, the best drivers, the best luck, plus an expert weather forecaster.

When other teams catch up, things will even out.
This glitch or "gray area" on COT is not the reason HMS has won those races.
HMS COT cars won on tracks where if the "adjustment" was used, that would not have made a difference. Since no one other than HMS know how long this has been used, it is all specualtion. Heck, could be the first time was the time they got caught.
Common sense dictates the "alterations" were not the reason for chalking up six wins with COT. :)
 
Hendrick won six races with the COT because they have the best cars, the best drivers, the best luck, plus an expert weather forecaster.

When other teams catch up, things will even out.
This glitch or "gray area" on COT is not the reason HMS has won those races.
HMS COT cars won on tracks where if the "adjustment" was used, that would not have made a difference. Since no one other than HMS know how long this has been used, it is all specualtion. Heck, could be the first time was the time they got caught.
Common sense dictates the "alterations" were not the reason for chalking up six wins with COT. :)

Well maybe , maybe not, who knows is exactly the right thing to say. Which leads to the fact that it "could of been" a huge advantage for HMS. If this is indeed true then the fines should be even stiffer, especially if it can be proved that the cars were tampered with in all COT races. CK stretches the envelope way more than most of the other crew chiefs either that or he is just not as bright as the other ones and gets caught too much. Either way he has cheated in the past and cheated Friday so throw him to the wolves and give him a penalty that will grab everyones' attention. As for Latarte, well he seems to be less of rule bender , but then again how do we know? Nascar in its' infinite wisdom will make the "right call".;)
 
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