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Why? Because this stuff happens, that's why.'That's racin'. Isn't that what you always used to say? Face it , there is just a touch of poetic justice in this somewhere. Or there would be if more focus would be put on your part in this. After all, didn't you, your driver, and your image fostering help popularize the whole 'rubbin is racin' , 'intimidator',' pass after you bump 'em in the grass' BS to start with---at least in the modern era?

Sure you did. Seems almost like RG's classic, textbook perfect Earnhardt like move
should come back to bite YOU moreso than Robby Gordon. I mean for God's sake, you keep Kevin Harvick on the payroll don't you?And aren't you are the one who found all that type of 'racin' ok when it was DALE doing it? Yeah, of course you are.

So my opinion would be that you do a little apologizing rather than Robby . I mean, you came out pretty quickly when Kurt Busch bumped one of your cars at the All-star race a couple of years back, didn't you?

Sure you did, again. Time to face the music and the facts: Robby Gordon COULD be Tony Stewart if you could still build a car. Throw out all of Earnhardts old setups, quit whining and apply yourself. Focus on RG and Jeff Burton and forget trying to get by on your former 'glory'.

Otherwise, while you are whining and stammering----the competition is just going to leave you further in the dust. And even though I am certainly not a fan of yours, there is something a little sad in how your dynasty has fallen apart so quickly.


(Just my opinion guys. I am sure some will disagree. In no way do I think 'bumping' is the proper way to race (regardless of which driver does it) , and certainly RG was wrong , as an individual, to behave as he did. But no one can deny he was certainly only behaving in the 'RCR house- style'. Childress should have been called on the carpet for condoning this behavior from his drivers for his entire career and only NOW finding a problem with it. And if this point was made in another post, I apologize, I wasn't aware of it. I am online only about 15 minutes per day and didn't have time to read all the opinions about this.)
 
Can ANYONE please show me where Childress has condoned bumping, rubbing, or wrecking? And while you're at it, show me where he is whinning....


I love how people condem RCR and Gordon because he made the statement, " I'm going to get him..." but its fine when Busch admitted that he has wrecked or tried to wreck people out. Then some people who praise Busch compare him to Earnhardt....sounds like hypocrisy to me.
 
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I so agree with you if Childress can actually build cars (quick note: he doesnt even build his own chassis in house! Hopkins builds it for them! The only other team that doesnt build their chassis in house in PE, and look where they are now.) Childress is stuck in 2000 using DE's old setups and ways.

Frankly, he should definitely put more effort into the #30 and #31 rides, cause its obvious they are lacking the resources. My opinion, Kevin Harvick could finish 30th in points with Robby and Jeff 1st and 2nd and Kevin will still get the better equipment and still be safe in that ride. Why? Because (my opinion) RC still has a personal attachment to that (#3) car and will always try to make it the front runner on the team at the expense of the other teams.
 
As far as the "Im gonna get him" issue, I call BS. Kurt Busch has done it before, and he didnt get this much flack about it. Fact is, because it was Robby Gordon, thats why it was a big deal. Had Junior said that, this would be a non issue. Shame that your rep follows you everywhere, despite Robby being a relatively clean driver since mid 2002.
 
Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Sep 22 2004, 09:36 AM
Had Junior said that, this would be a non issue.  Shame that your rep follows you everywhere, despite Robby being a relatively clean driver since mid 2002.
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Gotta disagree with you here buddy.....remember everyone calling for him to be drawn and quartered when he spun himself out?
 
"I love how people condem RCR and Gordon because he made the statement, " I'm going to get him..." but its fine when Busch admitted that he has wrecked or tried to wreck people out. Then some people who praise Busch compare him to Earnhardt....sounds like hypocrisy to me."


I dont respect the Earnhardt style of crash driving, not from Kurt, not from anyone. But actually what I always contended was that I could not see why EARNHARDT fans didn't draw an obvious parallel between the two styles . Kurt's out of control , sometimes over agressive style is actually the thing I like least about him.

But I must have hit a nerve when you are recalling things I posted a year or more back. THIS post had nothing to do with Kurt vs. Earnhardt at all. It was concerning RCR-----and to use the word hypocrisy where I am concerned and not use it regarding Crybaby Childress sounds ..uh...like hypocrisy to me.

But I am glad to see you back around Ferg. Hope all is good up your way. :cheers:
 
i'm just glad someone agrees with me on the junk childress throws down to the 30 and 31 teams...there isn't even a "3" in the 29 team...strange stuff.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Sep 22 2004, 09:57 AM

But I must have hit a nerve when you are recalling things I posted a year or more back. THIS post had nothing to do with Kurt vs. Earnhardt at all. It was concerning RCR-----and to use the word hypocrisy where I am concerned and not use it regarding Crybaby Childress sounds ..uh...like hypocrisy to me.

But I am glad to see you back around Ferg. Hope all is good up your way. :cheers:
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Didn't realize there was a time limit to where I couldn't compare things.... ;)


And the hypocrisy comment wasn't aimed toward you. It was to people who complain about Earnhardt's driving and then trying to justify Busch's driving saying that he drives like Earnhardt. I brought up Busch, comparing his comments with Robby's.....which I don't agree with no matter the driver.
 
Uh..well the official deadline to compare things expired,ahem, yesterday. :lol:


Busch and Earnhardt comparisions....arggg. Carl Edwards is looking better all the time.
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Originally posted by esorlxaw@Sep 22 2004, 10:05 AM
i'm just glad someone agrees with me on the junk childress throws down to the 30 and 31 teams...there isn't even a "3" in the 29 team...strange stuff.
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Its like that with every multiple-driver team.....look at Roach Racing.....Think Martin is getting the same stuff Busch is? When DEI had three teams, no way the #1 car was getting the same stuff #8 and #15 was. Terry Labonte is another example.

But on the other hand, look at Jeff Burton. He jumped in the 30 car and that car is qualifying and finishing better that it did with Blaney and most certainly Sauter. Maybe the 30 car is getting a little more attention than before? Or is it the driver?
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Sep 22 2004, 10:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Sep 22 2004, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-97forever@Sep 22 2004, 10:16 AM
I dont know....ya'll DID get your own Busch out of the deal! ;)
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Yeah, the GOOD one... [/b][/quote]
Sure did!!! :bounce:
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Sep 22 2004, 11:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Sep 22 2004, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-esorlxaw@Sep 22 2004, 10:05 AM
i'm just glad someone agrees with me on the junk childress throws down to the 30 and 31 teams...there isn't even a "3" in the 29 team...strange stuff.
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Its like that with every multiple-driver team.....look at Roach Racing.....Think Martin is getting the same stuff Busch is? When DEI had three teams, no way the #1 car was getting the same stuff #8 and #15 was. Terry Labonte is another example.

But on the other hand, look at Jeff Burton. He jumped in the 30 car and that car is qualifying and finishing better that it did with Blaney and most certainly Sauter. Maybe the 30 car is getting a little more attention than before? Or is it the driver? [/b][/quote]
I disagree. The teams that seem like they run the same quality equipment across the board are Roush, Evernham, Gibbs, PE, Yates, and MB2.

Its obvious #24 and #48 and getting everything at Hendrick.
Same with #8 at DEI.
Same with #29 at RCR.
 
Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Sep 22 2004, 10:21 AM
I disagree. The teams that seem like they run the same quality equipment across the board are Roush, Evernham, Gibbs, PE, Yates, and MB2.

Its obvious #24 and #48 and getting everything at Hendrick.
Same with #8 at DEI.
Same with #29 at RCR.
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I disagree with you about Rousch, I think now that the C4C is on Martin may be getting the same thing as Busch and Kenseth. In no way do I think Biffle is getting the same equipment. I don't think Mark has gotten the same equipment the last few years as Busch and Kenseth.
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Sep 22 2004, 11:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Sep 22 2004, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RobbyG Fan@Sep 22 2004, 10:21 AM
I disagree.&nbsp; The teams that seem like they run the same quality equipment across the board are Roush, Evernham, Gibbs, PE, Yates, and MB2.

Its obvious #24 and #48 and getting everything at Hendrick.
Same with #8 at DEI.
Same with #29 at RCR.
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I disagree with you about Rousch, I think now that the C4C is on Martin may be getting the same thing as Busch and Kenseth. In no way do I think Biffle is getting the same equipment. I don't think Mark has gotten the same equipment the last few years as Busch and Kenseth. [/b][/quote]
Youre possibly right. Hard to decifer with Roush, since they all have had good runs at one time or the other, even Carl Edwards has been impressive in the #99.
 
It just seems strange that Mark couldn't hardly run in the top ten and then right before the chase races were over he ran off a string of top tens that got him in the C4C. I also don't think he started racing any harder either. I would think someone like Mark raced hard every race.
 
I disagree with you RobbyG fan. I don't think anyone at RCR gets the better equipment. I don't think there is any better equipment to get. All RCR cars don't have the horsepower that the rest of the top teams have. Now I am no Robby Gordon fan. As a matter of fact, he's one of my least favorite just because Harvick and him are always into each other for some reason or another. You shouldn't bang up each other's rides if you're on the same team. And to be clear, I am not saying that those instances are all Robby's.
Childress isn't giving anybody anything to consistently run at a top level. Harvick may be the number one car for RCR but where has that gotten him. Every other team is making strides with their programs and RCR is falling back due to the lack of the ownership's presence to move on to better equipment.
How many times have we heard of Harvick having a chance at a solid finish if he only had the horsepower to get to the front through traffic. Hendricks cars have enough to blast by everybody. Same with Jr., Kahne, Kenseth, Busch, Stewart and a slew of other drivers. The only thing that has worked in Harvick's favor is his consistency to finish around the top ten to fifteen. Harvick doesn't have any wins this year and is still void of a consistent chance of getting any.
I don't blame Childress for going with Harvick as his no.1 either. Who should he have gone with? Harvick and Robby have only been within five positions of each other one time all year long. I think Robby is overrated at this point in his career.
I'm not bashing him, back a few years ago maybe he was something to be reckoned with but with his constant rubbing of drivers the wrong way, it's a miracle someone hasn't dumped him into the wall every race.
What happens if he gets dumped from RCR? Where's he gonna go? If I owned a team I wouldn't want a guy that wrecks other drivers on purpose admittedly. That's a PR nightmare.
 
Im guessing Kevin Harvick, Greg Biffle, and Kurt Busch are PR nightmares also then.


For real though, its pretty apparent RCR is on the downslide in Nascar. I put 100% blame on RC, he has refused to step up the program while others are leaps ahead.

A few points:
-RC didnt bring in a seperate pit crew for his teams (aside from using the regular shop guys) until mid last season, when teams had started doing that years ago.
-Currently every team except PE and RCR builds their chassis in house? Could RCR be where PE is now in a few years?
-Robby's 2 wins at the road courses came in a car he built in 2000 at his shop. Thats not RCR's car. Its Robby's car. RCR was unable to make an exact duplicate of the car through their chassis makers.
-At this point Id say RC's heart isnt in it, he is more interested in his winery business it seems.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Sep 22 2004, 10:23 AM
Why? Because this stuff happens, that's why.'That's racin'. Isn't that what you always used to say? Face it , there is just a touch of poetic justice in this somewhere. Or there would be if more focus would be put on your part in this. After all, didn't you, your driver, and your image fostering help popularize the whole 'rubbin is racin' , 'intimidator',' pass after you bump 'em in the grass' BS to start with---at least in the modern era?

Sure you did. Seems almost like RG's classic, textbook perfect Earnhardt like move
should come back to bite YOU moreso than Robby Gordon. I mean for God's sake, you keep Kevin Harvick on the payroll don't you?And aren't you are the one who found all that type of 'racin' ok when it was DALE doing it? Yeah, of course you are.

So my opinion would be that you do a little apologizing rather than Robby . I mean, you came out pretty quickly when Kurt Busch bumped one of your cars at the All-star race a couple of years back, didn't you?

Sure you did, again. Time to face the music and the facts: Robby Gordon COULD be Tony Stewart if you could still build a car. Throw out all of Earnhardts old setups, quit whining and apply yourself. Focus on RG and Jeff Burton and forget trying to get by on your former 'glory'.

Otherwise, while you are whining and stammering----the competition is just going to leave you further in the dust. And even though I am certainly not a fan of yours, there is something a little sad in how your dynasty has fallen apart so quickly.


(Just my opinion guys. I am sure some will disagree. In no way do I think 'bumping' is the proper way to race (regardless of which driver does it) , and certainly RG was wrong , as an individual, to behave as he did. But no one can deny he was certainly only behaving in the 'RCR house- style'. Childress should have been called on the carpet for condoning this behavior from his drivers for his entire career and only NOW finding a problem with it. And if this point was made in another post, I apologize, I wasn't aware of it. I am online only about 15 minutes per day and didn't have time to read all the opinions about this.)
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97, I firmly believe you and I were separated at birth. If you ever need someone to come empty a litter box or something, just holler. I could not have put that any better given 20 years to try. It absolutely cracks me up when the Earnhies up at Bristol boo the boy who most closely emulates their precios L3GACY on the track, and then some of them even have the cajones to stagger around and say that it has nothing to do with manufacturer or last name or anything...it's just somehow different. Different my azz. Bigger ears and no cookie duster, that's what's different.

But let somebody come along and give the Earnhies a dose of what was dished out for 20+ years and all of a sudden the whining is ceaseless. I think it's damn hilarious. I think it's hilarious to watch 'em scramble around and try to cover their tails and cover the smug stories we had to endure for 20 years.

It'd suit me just fine if every Childress car got the hail knocked out of them every race they manage to find themselves in the lead lap with 20 to go. Or to do the math, about 5 times a year. Let 'em see how Geoff Bodine felt. Let 'em see how 80% of the field felt for 20 years. Just punt 'em and grin and say "Aww shucks boys, that's racin'. If you can't handle it maybe you need to grow up." Maybe we can sell T-shirts and bumper stickers and license plate frames and wall clocks and yoyos and condoms and beer coozies with Kurt's silhouette and some stupid nickname like "The Eliminator" on it. We'll get rich, man, rich I tell you. They can name grandstands at tracks after him, and everybody can stand up with a tear in their eye and raise their beer in salute on lap 97 of every race.

Sound ridiculous yet? Trust me, it is and has been for a long time.

Give 'em hell 97, I got yer back. :cheers:
 
I knew I could count on a fellow Rook man to back me up! (See Bow? The king of all card games produces great minds! You should take it up.BWAHHAHHHAAAHAAA)

Thanks, EMP. :cheers:
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Sep 22 2004, 02:53 PM
But let somebody come along and give the Earnhies a dose of what was dished out for 20+ years and all of a sudden the whining is ceaseless.
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Once again.......


Who is whining?


The only people who I see whining are the people who say RC is whining.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Sep 22 2004, 02:56 PM
I knew I could count on a fellow Rook man to back me up! (See Bow? The king of all card games produces great minds! You should take it up.BWAHHAHHHAAAHAAA)

Thanks, EMP. :cheers:
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Hell, you boys ain't botherin me a bit, Hell yeah I was a Earnhie, as EMP put it, but I have moved on. You boys keep yuckin it up. I am rollin in the floor reading this. But you what? It may be the same and it may not, but you'll never hear me cryin about somebody bumping one of my favorites for the win. I LOVE IT. :bounce: :bounce:
 
I say let Robby drive the 31 for one more year, this may have calmed him down a little and make him use his head!

and what did Dale Sr. tell mark martin after Bristol one night??? "can some one give them ford boys a kleanx to wipe there tears"

also in 2001 ( i think) maybe it was 2000)) ford and dodge was at a disadvantage before daytona well they got the rules changed like 20 times, well they because better then chevy and chevy asked if they could get help to be just as good as ford, but nascar said no they are not helping.

also remember the 1st 500, photo finish??? a chevy won but ford got the win cause it "was to close to call" but the a finish line photo finish came out and nascar had to reverce it......

seems like nascar loves ford dont it?
 
Originally posted by bowtie@Sep 22 2004, 01:04 PM
It may be the same and it may not, but you'll never hear me cryin about somebody bumping one of my favorites for the win. I LOVE IT. :bounce: :bounce:
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Count me in, Bow!! :D I don't mind my driver getting a little tag if he's holding up a faster car. I've always thought it was a driver's job to stay in front anyway he can.......it's the following driver's job to get around him any way he can. Sometimes a bump is the only way to get a good blocker out of the way......but, then the blocker should know he's vulnerable and be prepared to recover or dodge before he wrecks!! I'm an "Earnhie" (or whatever little cute name you want to place on me) and proud of it........I've seen Earnhardt do it many times. I've also seen it done to him at least an equal number of times. Funny thing, though, Earnhardt recovered without wrecking a very high percentage of the times when he was on the receiving end.......guess that's then difference. Everyone remembers Earnhardt's bump and run and the bumped smacked the wall........but when someone bumped Earnhardt and he didn't' wreck it didn't happen at all!! Driver skill may have a little to do with that......but no one will acknowledge that. And Earnhardt seldom bitched about it when he was on the bumpee end!!

I think all the whining is coming from the normal whinners..........whinning about no one whining about what they think we should whine about. I didn't hear Richard Childress whining. I'm not whining. Fergie's not whining. Bow's not whining. But there sure are a lot of posts about whining!! Pretty funny when you think about it!! :D
 
I think the problem with RCR. When Dale was here. He ran the racing part of RCR. Or at least the 3 team. He knew racing, He knew what he wanted in a car, He knew how he wanted a car to preform. RC handled the cash flow and sponcorship. Well Dale is no longer around. RC is running things now. He is trying to run it like Dale did 4+ years ago. Things have changed, cars have changed and RC is gonna have to change. If he don't then Harvick, Gordon and Burton are just gonna be out there running around in circles like Petty enterprises, Bill Davis and a few others. That is just my opinion and milage may vary. :cheers:
 
I don,t know about all this who gets the best equipment the 29, 31, or 30. Jeff Burton may be the best thing that happened to Childress in a while. A little time may tell if all RCR is going downhill or just some of it. What really surprised me was the way Carl Edwards took over the 99 and the success he's had.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Sep 22 2004, 05:12 PM
I'll remind you that you said this.
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nothing to remind me of, You won't hear me bitch. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. ;)
 
The more I think about this whole thing the more I don't have a problem with Robby. Eye for an eye if you ask me. If Robby hadn't got spun we wouldn't even be talking about this. Great point 97Forever and EMP. Even the biggest icon in Nascar history was known to punt folks. What's the difference between punting someone intentionally and saying you are going to do it and then doing it. Folks get punted intentionally all the time. As long as intent is there and it's obvious, what's the difference? The result is the same. Even though he doesn't use his head you gotta give Robby credit for being a passionate racer. I've said it before, the guy races the same way whether he is 3 laps down or if he's in the top ten. He's an old school driver if you ask me. Nascar could use more of these guys instead of all these vanilla drivers. It's ashamed, Busch is even toeing the company line now. Popping of the usual cliches, he's as boring as Kenseth. It's no fun if we don't have good guys and bad guys. Even rasslin' has bad guys.

This is coming from a Ford guy. I say let Robby race. Childress breeds these guys, what does he expect. Burton is as out of place as a jalapeno on a wedding cake. It's ashamed that Roush bumped him so low in the pecking order. Is RCR trying to do a complete makeover or what?

Go Robby
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Sep 23 2004, 10:41 AM
Burton is as out of place as a jalapeno on a wedding cake.
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Fantastic line! :lol:
 
After reading this over and over, I can't help but to laugh! I don't see why everyone thinks RC is a crybaby? What has he done to you guys? I think it's pretty sad myself when your car owner has to defend your ass from the media after you let your foot get ahead of your brain. But it shows that you have a classy car owner, my friends. RC is a great car owner, no doubt about it.

No, i'm not saying this just because i'm a Harvick fan, but it's the honest truth.

And as far as the better equipment situation goes, it can go both ways. If you have a driver running for the championship, wouldn't you pour more into it than the others? Anybody with half a brain would do that. Take Hendricks' situation for example...
Why give Terry Labonte the better end of the deal when you have Jeff and Jimmie both running for the championship? I know its not fair, but that's racin. You have to go with what wins. That's how the world of racing goes around.

And last but not least, RCR does need some major changes. They had these same issues in 2002, but came back in 2003 like no other. Hopefully we'll see that same ordeal next season, but it's gonna take more this time. The 29 needs a little improvement, the 30 needs a little bit more, and the 31 needs everything.. possibly a new driver. Don't get me wrong, Robby has a helluva lot of talent, but it seems like he doesn't know how to use it. Blocking team-mates doesn't do it, nor does wrecking other competitors intentionally. And yeah, before I see the usual "Well, Kevin has done the same," or "Kevin isn't as innocent as you may think," or "Kevin doesn't have as much hair as Robby".... Guys, I know. Kevin has caused a lot of trouble since 2001, but he's been pretty calm since 2002 and you know that. Robby should bring up his own team to Nextel Cup, then he'd be a in a league of his own, but I wouldn't expect it to be a clean one at all.

Just my .02 cents.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Sep 24 2004, 11:32 AM
before I see the usual "Well, Kevin has done the same," or "Kevin isn't as innocent as you may think," or "Kevin doesn't have as much hair as Robby".... Guys, I know. Kevin has caused a lot of trouble since 2001, but he's been pretty calm since 2002 and you know that.
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Calm like stomping on the hoods of cars? Or calm like playing spin tag with Kenseth? You had better believe if there was a Chase For the Championship last year, Richard Childress would have had to defend a lot more than Harvick for his actions at that track...especially since it would have been the 26 race cutoff...
 
Originally posted by esorlxaw+Sep 24 2004, 12:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (esorlxaw @ Sep 24 2004, 12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slick-nick@Sep 24 2004, 11:32 AM
before I see the usual "Well, Kevin has done the same," or "Kevin isn't as innocent as you may think," or "Kevin doesn't have as much hair as Robby".... Guys, I know.&nbsp; Kevin has caused a lot of trouble since 2001, but he's been pretty calm since 2002 and you know that.
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Calm like stomping on the hoods of cars? Or calm like playing spin tag with Kenseth? You had better believe if there was a Chase For the Championship last year, Richard Childress would have had to defend a lot more than Harvick for his actions at that track...especially since it would have been the 26 race cutoff... [/b][/quote]
If I remember correctly, it was the crew stomping on Ricky's hood, not Kevin.
 
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