How can you not love road courses?

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Road courses have to be the most exciting form of racing in Nascar. Sure, short tracks are a very close second, but often those races turn into demolition derbies and are filled with cautions. Restrictor plate racing is like false excitement, sure they all run close, but its a big wreck waiting to happen. Once you have that big wreck, there is no race. The rest of the ovals are basically all snoozers. Road courses test the driver, crew, and machinery more than any other type of track. It takes the best car and most skill to win at. Excitement every lap, in more than the regular four turns, more passing, more contact, not as many cautions... I can go on and on.


At least 25% of the schedule should be at road courses. Anyone else with me? And to those who dont like road courses, can you honestly tell me that say the Vegas or California race was better than this?
 
Pretty easy for me!! :D Where was the excitement at the end? Where was all that passing under green? Where was the side by side racing? Where was that position racing all over the track? Where was the second groove?

Now, next weekend I guess I should ask the same question, huh? :D
 
I like road courses but, I can see how people dont like them. Most of the time there is very little passing, and there are very few contenders with a chance to win. Again very few drivers do very good there, most people don't like a race as much if there driver is not doing good. If you know he isnt going to do good, that even adds more to it.

Its all about perception

I dont know maybe its just me, but from what I have seen fans usually like tracks more that there drivers do good at. DE = dale jr = RP tracks / RobbyG Fan = Robby G. = Road courses
 
Originally posted by smack500@Jun 28 2004, 01:07 AM


I dont know maybe its just me, but from what I have seen fans usually like tracks more that there drivers do good at. DE = dale jr = RP tracks / RobbyG Fan = Robby G. = Road courses
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I can see that train of thought. I dont know though, I just like them, I find them more exciting. Even after Robby's horrible day, I watched the race right to the end, while at an oval race, if Robby has a bad day or is out of the race, I wont make much of an effort to watch until the end. Just personal preference, I guess.
 
See if you were like me, and liked jeff G. You could all enjoy every race the same because he is so good at each one. lol jk :p :cheers:

Robby gordon, and dale jr are both good drivers, and can preform well at any track if/when they have the right equipment.
 
Robby has good cars, he just needs to back off the gas a little sooner before geting in the corrners......he just over drives it....needs to calm down a little.
 
I see where you have some points Smack. But it really doesn't wash with me too much. The ovals........any oval. Short, mid, big and plates. I also like Jeff Gordon almost as much as I like Jr. I've never liked roads much..........never. And for when my driver does poorly, I have others to switch to for my enjoyment!! I actually liked the Las Vegas race this last April (or was it March?) where Jr had such a horrendous day!! Of course, Vegas is a "cookie cutter"..........another type of track I happen to like a lot!! :D Go figure!! :cheers:
 
i love road courses...my first experiences with cup racing was going to riverside twice a year for most of the races until i was 12.

every track is great, because they all test different elements of driver and crew talent...i've even come to terms that plate tracks require a racing talent, even if it's a different type of skill than at non-plate tracks.

i'd love to see 4-6 rc races a year for cup.
 
Originally posted by smack500@Jun 28 2004, 12:16 AM
Robby gordon, and dale jr are both good drivers, and can preform well at any track if/when they have the right equipment.
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Same goes for Jeff Gordon.
 
i like road courses better than circle tracks because there's more excitment, and most of the people in nascar arn't made for roadcourses.
 
I would like to see more road courses... Brings out the true talent of a driver. Then again, I would like to them race on dirt.
 
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they added one more road race ....it's a nice change from the regular track racing...I love both! :rolleyes:
 
Have a long weekend at Indy.. Run the Brickyard 400 and have a road course the next week.
 
I watched yesterday for the novelty. The race stunk. JG is my 3rd favorite driver and I still thought the race was a bore. If they ran more road courses, the novelty would wear off.
 
I think I like Robby because he does well at road course...I don't like road courses because Robby does well at them.
 
Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Jun 27 2004, 11:13 PM
Road courses have to be the most exciting form of racing in Nascar. Sure, short tracks are a very close second, but often those races turn into demolition derbies and are filled with cautions. Restrictor plate racing is like false excitement, sure they all run close, but its a big wreck waiting to happen. Once you have that big wreck, there is no race. The rest of the ovals are basically all snoozers. Road courses test the driver, crew, and machinery more than any other type of track. It takes the best car and most skill to win at. Excitement every lap, in more than the regular four turns, more passing, more contact, not as many cautions... I can go on and on.


At least 25% of the schedule should be at road courses. Anyone else with me? And to those who dont like road courses, can you honestly tell me that say the Vegas or California race was better than this?
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U know that I agree with U,I'd rather watch qualifying day at a road course than a whole freaking boring snoozefest plate race. :p :lol: :lol:
While I do also love the short tracks,the road courses rate just a bit higher IMHO. :D
Can't believe that so many folks are trying to get rid of the road courses,there should be a road course event among those final 10 races of this season also,these are the most challenging track type on the curcuit and to not be represented at all during "the race for the Championship" is a travesty.
I'm not sure about the 25% road course deal,but do think that 3 or 4 total road courses are more in line out of a total of 36 point races.But even 3 or 4 road courses are too much to ask for under Brian France's regime as He's just looking at the seating capacities and those boring 1.5 to 2 mile cookie-cutter tracks seat 150,000 or more fans are more appealing to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ hungry NASCAR organization these days,so don;t be too surprised if both road courses are gone by the end of this decade as some writers and others are already advocating,would be a real freaking shame if that were to happen,but it probably will as NASCAR doesn't care what the majority of fans want these days.A lot of fans would like to see the return to dirt racing,but that wont happen either. ;)
 
Originally posted by racefan against nascare@Jun 28 2004, 03:50 AM
i love road courses...my first experiences with cup racing was going to riverside twice a year for most of the races until i was 12.

every track is great, because they all test different elements of driver and crew talent...i've even come to terms that plate tracks require a racing talent, even if it's a different type of skill than at non-plate tracks.

i'd love to see 4-6 rc races a year for cup.
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That may be,but then why are there so many more cookie-cutter tracks than any other certain type of track,I know it's because of the extra seats and extra $$$$$$$$$$$$$ as NASCAR sure isn't paying attention to what the majority of fans want these days. ^_^
There should be more equality in the number of different track type son the curcuit as then the drivers are truly more challenged,if the road course ringers would be kept out of this Series anyway. ;)
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Jun 28 2004, 09:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Jun 28 2004, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--smack500@Jun 28 2004, 12:16 AM
Robby gordon, and dale jr are both good drivers, and can preform well at any track if/when they have the right equipment.
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Same goes for Jeff Gordon. [/b][/quote]
That was ment as a compliment, sorry if you did not see it that way.
 
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Originally posted by -bowtie@Jun 28 2004, 09:06 AM
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@Jun 28 2004, 12:16 AM
Robby gordon, and dale jr are both good drivers, and can preform well at any track if/when they have the right equipment.
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Same goes for Jeff Gordon.
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That was ment as a compliment, sorry if you did not see it that way. [/b][/quote]
oh, i wasn't taking it as anything but a compliment, it just seems that some newbies around here don't understand that some people don't like the most popular drivers and has given me the need to explain my fanhood. Sears Point (infineon) has always been special to me since I grew up next to it and got to see my dad drag race their for years. So, as a result, I like road courses and like those who can maneuver around them well.
 
If they were to add a road course and they wanted to make money, they would add Laguna Seca. NASCAR is going to California and no one seeen NASCAR ther before, so people would come. And if Gran Turismo 3 is realistic, there is a very hard turn that you have to turn left and it's downhill.
 
Originally posted by millermagic@Jun 28 2004, 10:07 PM
NASCAR is going to California and no one seeen NASCAR ther before, so people would come.
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Infineon - Sonoma California
California Speedway - Fontana, California

:huh:
 
Originally posted by millermagic@Jun 28 2004, 10:07 PM
If they were to add a road course and they wanted to make money, they would add Laguna Seca. NASCAR is going to California and no one seeen NASCAR ther before, so people would come. And if Gran Turismo 3 is realistic, there is a very hard turn that you have to turn left and it's downhill.
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I think a 3000 pound stock car would slide right off that turn. I might not mind seeing a race there. Maybe I just don't like Sonoma. Watkins Glen is way better than Sanoma.
 
Originally posted by millermagic@Jun 28 2004, 08:07 PM
NASCAR is going to California and no one seeen NASCAR ther before
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:blink: Is that right? :blink:

I don't know where you are but NASCAR does exist outside your realm. And it has existed out here for quite some time. But back to the subject.........the so called cookie cutters everyone hates are not only cost efficient for the track owners they happen to fill the stands on a very consistent basis. There must be a reason............could it be that they are in fact not the most hated tracks on the circuit? :) The roads are not spectator friendly.........pretty hard to get a course where there are good seats for the majority of the fans attending. Get any more than we already have and those tracks will go broke. Sonoma and Watkins Glen can do a fair job of filling the stands once a year..........I seriously doubt they could do it twice a year. Add a couple more roads and then all the tracks will suffer because there simply are not enough good seats to sell to the fans........they'd stay at home and watch it on TV. That is not a very good point to try to make to anyone thinking of building a track. I say two's enough........maybe drop Sonoma for a better track, keep Watkins Glen.
 
yep, millermagic...it's called the corkscrew.

...and no, 3600 lb cars would not just slide right off the turn, as long as the driver is reasonably competent. stock cars have raced there before.
 
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