How did that appeal work out for you, Teresa?

AndyMarquisLIVE said:
NSCRC upholds penalties against Truex's No. 1 team :(

Guess you shouldn't have broken the effing rules and attempted to skirt something past NASCAR. :idunno:

Why do they even try? :confused:
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well they try because cup racing now days is so competitive 1-40 run speeds within about a half second of each other. any little edge they can get they will try. on the other hand nascar wants an equal playing field for all teams. if someone is cought cheating i support any decision nascar will make. my personal opinion if i made the decision of the penilitlys, i would make it a clear rule that if you fail inspection you do not earn any points for that race.
 
abd i think the appeal was also so they could get an action plan together in a slow-and-steady-wins-the-race motive.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
NSCRC upholds penalties against Truex's No. 1 team :(

Guess you shouldn't have broken the effing rules and attempted to skirt something past NASCAR. :idunno:

Why do they even try? :confused:
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Andy, you are pretty ignorant about racing period, and especially NASCAR racing. While in the past, cheating was an art form and was pretty blatant, but today, it's a totally different thing and with the way NASCAR makes the rules, sometimes those rules can be bended, and other times, they can't...but the teams have no idea which way NASCAR will go. Cheating has always been a part of racing, but it's getting harder and harder to get away with it. And of course, no team will admit to cheating and will either just accept the penalty or appeal it hoping to get it reversed.

So Andy, can you explain to all of us just exactly what was wrong with Truex's car? Can you cite the complete rule that was broken? Is the rule "black and white" or is it in the "gray" area? Since you seem to be up on all of this, I'd like to hear what you have to say before I put the blame on Teresa or anyone else.
 
Exactly, Buck. They let all those Rousch cars drive just about sideways down the track and let that go until they decided to regulate the degree. Truex's car wasn't that off in height from what I understand. I can't remember the figure, but it was minute. I heard a lot of, "it's possible" something could have happened in transport, etc., but the general consensus was it was "probably" something they were trying. Who knows when NASCAR is going to let things slide and when they're going to be black and white? Even they can't make up their minds.

I doubt Teresa has much to do with anything technical. She has "people" who are specialists for that.
 
buckaroo said:
Andy, you are pretty ignorant about racing period, and especially NASCAR racing. While in the past, cheating was an art form and was pretty blatant, but today, it's a totally different thing and with the way NASCAR makes the rules, sometimes those rules can be bended, and other times, they can't...but the teams have no idea which way NASCAR will go. Cheating has always been a part of racing, but it's getting harder and harder to get away with it. And of course, no team will admit to cheating and will either just accept the penalty or appeal it hoping to get it reversed.

So Andy, can you explain to all of us just exactly what was wrong with Truex's car? Can you cite the complete rule that was broken? Is the rule "black and white" or is it in the "gray" area? Since you seem to be up on all of this, I'd like to hear what you have to say before I put the blame on Teresa or anyone else.
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WNY24Fan said:
Exactly, Buck. They let all those Rousch cars drive just about sideways down the track and let that go until they decided to regulate the degree. Truex's car wasn't that off in height from what I understand. I can't remember the figure, but it was minute. I heard a lot of, "it's possible" something could have happened in transport, etc., but the general consensus was it was "probably" something they were trying. Who knows when NASCAR is going to let things slide and when they're going to be black and white? Even they can't make up their minds.

I doubt Teresa has much to do with anything technical. She has "people" who are specialists for that.
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You two weren't saying this stuff last year when Jeffie and Jimmie were winning all the races. :rolleyes:
 
Maybe Teresa needed to get Rick Hendrick to file the appeal for her. He seems to be the only one to win one of those things. :rolleyes:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
You two weren't saying this stuff last year when Jeffie and Jimmie were winning all the races. :rolleyes:
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What's that got to do with anything? Did I whine and cry when they were fined and lost their CCs for 6 wks? NO. It sucked that neither got a chance to even practice that weekend. As I recall, others have been able to after not passing inspection. Another thing I don't understand is why if they have not qualified yet and have to change a transmission, engine, etc., or go to a back up car, they have to drop to the back. I could see if they did the changes AFTER qualifying, but I don't get the point of doing it before. They'll be using the same car they qualify with during the race, so it makes little sense to me.

I forget what it was exactly on the 24/48 cars to be honest, but what I said above is still true. Certainly what they did wasn't as obvious as the crab cars, but I think it falls in line with what happened to Martin.

What I don't understand is why they let some cars which fail, go back and "fix things" while others they throw the book at. I think Chad was/is a master at "finding things" which if all their information is shared, it didn't help Steve and Jeff any. It still doesn't. For most of the season so far, JJs & Jrs cars would be dialed in right off, and they struggled all race to get Jeff's car halfway decent. It's only been the last few races he's had decent cars for most of the weekend/race.

My question to you Andy is, why don't you answer Buck's questions instead of turning things on us? Is it because you just can't express your "expertise" adequately? You remind me of, "I know you are, but what am I?" Just answer the questions, "Mr. Expert."
 
WNY24Fan said:
Not lately. ;)
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Section 12-4-A of the NASCAR Rule Book “Actions detrimental to stock car racing”; Section 12-4-Q: “Any determination by NASCAR Officials that the car, car parts, components, and/or equipment used in the Event do not conform to NASCAR rules” and Section 20-3.8A: “Roof of the car does not conform to the specifications of the NASCAR Rule Book.”

NSCRC said:
The Appellants did not contest the rules violations, but argued that the penalties were too severe for the infractions. The Appellants explained that rigorous checks and balances in the fabrication process were in place at DEI and could offer no explanation as to why the roof failed to meet the inspection templates. They argued that the infractions were minor in nature, not deliberate, and that the resulting lowered roof was a disadvantage according to their wind tunnel findings.

The Commission found that the infractions were clear-cut. The roof was low across a broad area. Accordingly, the penalties that were issued are warranted.
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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Section 12-4-A of the NASCAR Rule Book “Actions detrimental to stock car racing”; Section 12-4-Q: “Any determination by NASCAR Officials that the car, car parts, components, and/or equipment used in the Event do not conform to NASCAR rules” and Section 20-3.8A: “Roof of the car does not conform to the specifications of the NASCAR Rule Book.”
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What I heard was that the No. 1 car did not conform to the "pick-up" points on the NASCAR template. The new NASCAR templates cover the entire top surface of the car. There are several pick-up points on the roof, hood and truck sections. Some pick-up points were not in the correct position when tested by NASCAR. DEI said the pick-up points were in the correct position using the DEI template.

DEI may find out that they have a "damaged" template tool. If this is the case, how many other DEI cars in the production line have to be reskined for them to prevent another costly penalty.
 
watching NASCAR confidential,. do these pickup points reference the digital points or the physical points?
 
Magnethead said:
watching NASCAR confidential,. do these pickup points reference the digital points or the physical points?
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My understanding is that each pickup point has relation to all other pickup points. Each point has a reference (vertical and horizontal). If a pickup point is off by so many hundredths of a millimeter, the contour of the body does not conform to NASCAR specifications. Then, the car fails the inspection.
 
but, was it a digital pickup point (confidential showed the little 3-D metering tool), or one of the many contact points of the "egg crate" template system?
 
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