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is Na$car, or most importantly the drivers whose safety is at stake and secondly the owners who end up paying for very expensive repairs on wrecked cars, going to put up with Goodyears failure to build a tire that is safe and reliable?

Has Na$car designed the COT so that no tire can stand up to the abuse? If so they better start rethinking. Tony's got 3 wrecked cars due to tire failure, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall when he speaks with a Goodyear tire engineer. You know the teams are going to tweak these cars during the season and they will only get faster.

Dump the "Official Tire of Na$car" krap, judging from their race tire failures I doubt I'll be buying any for my personal cars. Let Hoosier back in, Firestone, Yokahama. Why not?


<man, my soap box is getting a workout this week isn't it?>:growl:
 
I've always been for letting different tire companies in. But I remember when Hoosier was sharing track time with Goodyear, many, and I do mean many of the fans griped just as the drivers did that it was not safe. That more or less sounds like cry babies to me. And to think that letting two or more tire companies in would be any less safe than what it is today. :rolleyes:
 
The thing is, how many others have had trouble? The only one I know of is Ryan's.

I understood that Goodyear determined that the earlier ones were all one batch and pulled them. Other than Ryan's, I haven't seen any other failures.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
The thing is, how many others have had trouble? The only one I know of is Ryan's.

I understood that Goodyear determined that the earlier ones were all one batch and pulled them. Other than Ryan's, I haven't seen any other failures.
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Now, now TRL don't you dare go spoiling these guys who just want to whine and cry about something, anything. Besides, Andy may have found a buddy...
 
SST55 said:
is Na$car, or most importantly the drivers whose safety is at stake and secondly the owners who end up paying for very expensive repairs on wrecked cars, going to put up with Goodyears failure to build a tire that is safe and reliable?

Has Na$car designed the COT so that no tire can stand up to the abuse? If so they better start rethinking. Tony's got 3 wrecked cars due to tire failure, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall when he speaks with a Goodyear tire engineer. You know the teams are going to tweak these cars during the season and they will only get faster.

Dump the "Official Tire of Na$car" krap, judging from their race tire failures I doubt I'll be buying any for my personal cars. Let Hoosier back in, Firestone, Yokahama. Why not?


<man, my soap box is getting a workout this week isn't it?>:growl:
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Tony's interview, among other things, he said "dont let any goodyear guys near me. i dont want to deal with them. " and "it's the typical crap every year. They must think any press is good press, when we talk about the problems"
 
"It's just a Goodyear right-rear tire," Stewart said. "So it's the same thing everybody has been talking about all week. It's the same stuff that we always talk about every year -- the failures that Goodyear has. I think that's part of their marketing campaign. The more we talk about it, the more press they get. I think they forget that it's supposed to be in a good way, not a bad way."

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TRL,
From the link in the other thread:
"Goodyear officials argued that the blowout was the result of a puncture, not from poor wear like the other tires that were among a dozen recalled Friday."

Poor wear? A dozen? Recalled?

"Stewart has been a longtime promoter of using multiple tire manufacturers, often promoting Hoosiers that he uses in other series. NASCAR has been emphatic that will not happen because it could create a competitive advantage if one manufacturer hits on a better combination."

Would someone please explain why allowing another manufacturer in and possibly develope a better tire is a bad thing? If it has a competitive advantage so what? The other company has work to do.

Buck you had said "But I remember when Hoosier was sharing track time with Goodyear, many, and I do mean many of the fans griped just as the drivers did that it was not safe."

I don't recall fans griping, but the teams running Goodyears did. The cars running Hoosier's, Geoff Bodine was just one, ran faster but fell off quicker. The Badyears (couldn't help myself:D) weren't as quick but ran longer. That's when Na$car implemented the rule you had to run the entire race on the brand of tire you qualified on.

I give Tony credit, at least this time his owner won't make him apologize. ;)
 
chad's trying to say the tyres will improve once more rubber gets on track

uh....

there's 24 hours of pirelli rubber on the track, plus 200 miles of hoosier rubber, plus 500+ miles of goodyear rubber.

please, please explain yourself, Chad.
 
Magnethead said:
chad's trying to say the tyres will improve once more rubber gets on track

uh....

there's 24 hours of pirelli rubber on the track, plus 200 miles of hoosier rubber, plus 500+ miles of goodyear rubber.

please, please explain yourself, Chad.
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Rain's gonna wash away all the rubber tonight and tomorrow.

In fact, the chances of the race happening tomorrow aren't looking great.
 
SST55 said:
"Stewart has been a longtime promoter of using multiple tire manufacturers, often promoting Hoosiers that he uses in other series. NASCAR has been emphatic that will not happen because it could create a competitive advantage if one manufacturer hits on a better combination."
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I thought nascar had an exclusivity contract with goodyear, i.e. goodyear pay's nascar for exlusive use of goodyear tires. competition would only create a better tire since teams would want to use the better tire.
 
SlowNeasy said:
I thought nascar had an exclusivity contract with goodyear, i.e. goodyear pay's nascar for exlusive use of goodyear tires. competition would only create a better tire since teams would want to use the better tire.
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exactly
 
Suppose Nascar was receptive to looking at other tire Companies. How do you think they should go about it. Permit one more company to participate, open it up to all tire companies, or what ??
 
I'd say open it up to any company, but they have to have racing ties to be eligable.

We dont want brand X to say "we're gonna produce a racing slick that we can sell for 200 a set for the cheap guys" becsause that would cause problems. So i'd say goodyear (nascar), pirelli (road racing), hoosier (arca + sportsman), bfgoodrich (drifting), mickey thomson (drag racing), and firestone (IRL). maybe a few others i cant remember
 
SST55 said:
Buck you had said "But I remember when Hoosier was sharing track time with Goodyear, many, and I do mean many of the fans griped just as the drivers did that it was not safe."

I don't recall fans griping, but the teams running Goodyears did. The cars running Hoosier's, Geoff Bodine was just one, ran faster but fell off quicker. The Badyears (couldn't help myself:D) weren't as quick but ran longer. That's when Na$car implemented the rule you had to run the entire race on the brand of tire you qualified on.
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Many of the fans just went along with NASCAR saying that it was too dangerous.
tkj24 said:
I remember the Hoosier competition. That was pretty much a mess too.
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I heard that a lot.
 
NBC 5 DFW used the headline "Not a goodyear so far" followed by tony's interview.

nuff said.
 
muggle not said:
Suppose Nascar was receptive to looking at other tire Companies. How do you think they should go about it. Permit one more company to participate, open it up to all tire companies, or what ??
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Have a test, at a specified track invite 2 other manufacturers, and let them present their tires. If they are even close to what Goodyear supplies now, let them in for a specified number of races, providing they can adequately supply Nascar with tires each week. I think letting in more than 2 other brands would create chaos. Firestone, Goodyear, and Hoosier, let them compete, it would be better for the sport. The only thing is do these tire companies even want to deal with Nascar?
 
Mopardh9 said:
Have a test, at a specified track invite 2 other manufacturers, and let them present their tires. If they are even close to what Goodyear supplies now, let them in for a specified number of races, providing they can adequately supply Nascar with tires each week. I think letting in more than 2 other brands would create chaos. Firestone, Goodyear, and Hoosier, let them compete, it would be better for the sport. The only thing is do these tire companies even want to deal with Nascar?
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You are probably correct on limiting the manufacturers, but how about Michelin as one of them.
 
It always amazed me how a small tire company from Indiana could design and manufacture a race tire as good if not better than a multi-million dollar company with unlimited resources. But that is a question for another day.
The biggest problem with the multiple tire manufacturers was cost. Teams had to buy tires from both manufacturers [Hoosier and Goodyear] in order to see how they worked with their cars [this was in the pre-COT days] and some teams with contracts with one specific manufacturer were at a disadvantage in the event the opposition tire proved better during practice because those teams were forced to stick with the tire company they signed exclusivity agreements with. Good Year was getting a bit of butt burn when the smaller Hoosier Tire Company began showing they had some of the right stuff to compete with GoodYear and with a cash cow [GoodYear] paying to be the official tire of NASCAR, something had to be done. Then NASCAR required each tire company provide enough tires to supply all teams of every race regardless of whether teams had alliances with a specific manufacturer or not. And that answer by NASCAR was an expensive proposition for little Hoosier Tire Company and the straw that eventually broke the camels back.

Now there is the COT, things might be different. But, Goodyear has had more than ample opportunity to come up a with dependable race tire designs for the COT and the tracks they race on, and it seems they are still struggling to keep up. So the question now becomes, is it time to change from the status quo to letting any manufacturer onto the scene. IMO, the answer is , "yes".
 
"with a cash cow [GoodYear] paying to be the official tire of NASCAR, something had to be done."

Ding ding ding WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!
There's the problem. Na$car extorts money to be the "official supplier" and in affect outlaws the compitition. Look at the Sprint deal. Why did Craftsman leave the trucks? Busch still sponsors the pole award yet Coors is now the "official" beer. That might have some connection in the sale of A-B.

Na$car has to approve everything and they get paid for their approval. They told Morgan Sheppard he couldn't have Racing for Jesus on his hood a year or so ago. I guess Jesus didn't send them a check. :rolleyes:
 
I think now Hoosier would have the capacity to do that. The only thing that would suck is being from a local racers point of view. I wonder if it would drive up the cost of tires to us lower classes. If they have to change their major manufacturing facilities from the dirt tires and asphalt tires they make now to making tires for the cup series would it would the amount of tires available to lower classes and in effect price?
 
Goodyear, Hoosier, Bridgestone, Michelin.......open it up to all four.
 
basscatcher89 said:
I think now Hoosier would have the capacity to do that. The only thing that would suck is being from a local racers point of view. I wonder if it would drive up the cost of tires to us lower classes. If they have to change their major manufacturing facilities from the dirt tires and asphalt tires they make now to making tires for the cup series would it would the amount of tires available to lower classes and in effect price?
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If memory serves me correctly, local racers using Hoosiers did not experience either. Bob Newton said he got his start because of the local racers and he wasn't going to do anything that would hurt them. Bob Newton was a top notch guy whose word was his bond and that was one reason he got so upset with NASCAR when they said tire companies must have enough tires for every team. It was said at the time to have been contrary to what NASCAR had told him when Newton first began making tires designed for the Winston Cup Series. As Jim Croce sang, "Don't tug on Supermans cape." And Bob Newton didn't tug, he yanked on the cape of the "superman" of tires, Good Year.
 
SST55 said:
They told Morgan Sheppard he couldn't have Racing for Jesus on his hood a year or so ago. I guess Jesus didn't send them a check. :rolleyes:
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Jesus doesn't like cars anyhow for as long as Morgan ran around with Jesus on his hood he still struggled really hard to even stay in 43rd place
 
SST55 said:
is Na$car, or most importantly the drivers whose safety is at stake and secondly the owners who end up paying for very expensive repairs on wrecked cars, going to put up with Goodyears failure to build a tire that is safe and reliable?

Has Na$car designed the COT so that no tire can stand up to the abuse? If so they better start rethinking. Tony's got 3 wrecked cars due to tire failure, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall when he speaks with a Goodyear tire engineer. You know the teams are going to tweak these cars during the season and they will only get faster.

Dump the "Official Tire of Na$car" krap, judging from their race tire failures I doubt I'll be buying any for my personal cars. Let Hoosier back in, Firestone, Yokahama. Why not?


<man, my soap box is getting a workout this week isn't it?>:growl:
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Goodyear tires are the safest and we love our Goodyear tires.

In fact, we use Goodyear for all our rubber products here at NASCAR.
 
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