How to fix Daytona?

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OK, so I'm no artist.....

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Oh......., I get it. The event still stinks, regardless of who wins it.
They may as well sit around and pick numbers and whoever draws the #1 gets the trophy. They can televise it, do roasts of each other, tell jokes, and the ratings would probably be better. I know the entertainment factor would.
MoMike
 
Its not broken don't fix anything.
 
sloggie said:
Fixing Daytona is pretty easy. Two steps

1) Remove the bottom 40 rows from the stands
2) Remove the Restrictor plates.
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Lol ...hmm 240-250 down the straights, yikes!:eek: On a side note they just slowed down the trucks with a tapered spacer change, wtf, had to tamper with them too!
 
Mopardh9 said:
Lol ...hmm 240-250 down the straights, yikes!:eek: On a side note they just slowed down the trucks with a tapered spacer change, wtf, had to tamper with too!
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Yep. This is racing, not a Sunday cruise.

Trucks and Nationwide have to go slower than the Cup cars or it looks bad.
 
sloggie said:
Yep. This is racing, not a Sunday cruise.

Trucks and Nationwide have to go slower than the Cup cars or it looks bad.
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Yep i'm really disliking Nascar right now, I can't wait to all the short tracks open up around here, so i can see real racing again.
 
Remove the reinforcement behind the front "bumper" so that bump drafting hurts your car.

Or change the rear "bumper" so it doesn't match up with the front end of any make.
 
SST55 said:
Remove the reinforcement behind the front "bumper" so that bump drafting hurts your car.

Or change the rear "bumper" so it doesn't match up with the front end of any make.
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Yep too easy though!
 
Mopardh9 said:
Yep i'm really disliking Nascar right now, I can't wait to all the short tracks open up around here, so i can see real racing again.
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Come down to South Boston on March 12th. If you drive your way down to the Baltimore area, I'll pick you up and take you the rest of the way! :beerbang::beerbang:
 
Mopardh9 said:
Yep i'm really disliking Nascar right now, I can't wait to all the short tracks open up around here, so i can see real racing again.
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Ours start running in next month. Like you, I can hardly wait.

Back to topic: Until NA__AR stops the ridiculous "We're and sanctioning body AND a race car designer" mode of doing business, absolutely nothing will change Daytona or Talladega. Make them run smaller engines and they'll just find a way to wind them up tighter. Move the stands back and take off the plates, and you'll have speeds which make actual racing close to impossible. Reduce the banking and you'll just have Pocono². As long as NA__AR stays in the aero-design and racer-tainment business every track over a mile in length will be marginal at best.
 
John Galt said:
Ours start running in next month. Like you, I can hardly wait.

Back to topic: Until NA__AR stops the ridiculous "We're and sanctioning body AND a race car designer" mode of doing business, absolutely nothing will change Daytona or Talladega. Make them run smaller engines and they'll just find a way to wind them up tighter. Move the stands back and take off the plates, and you'll have speeds which make actual racing close to impossible. Reduce the banking and you'll just have Pocono². As long as NA__AR stays in the aero-design and racer-tainment business every track over a mile in length will be marginal at best.
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Yeh you are probably spot on that.
 
Easy fix.Open the plates up so the cars can get out of their own way.Put the roof strip and the lip on the rear spoiler back on.
 
if they took off the spoiler, wouldn't they have to drive instead of just hold the pedal to the floor and hang on?
 
Mopardh9 said:
Yeh you are probably spot on that.
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I believe that it's a knee jerk reaction to just say, "Take off the plates and let em race!" My feeling is that these cars could easily hit 240 or more and I just don't believe that they can race at that speed. These drivers have quick reflexes but at 240+ MPH? That's just disaster just waiting to happen. What I fear we might wind up with is something akin to watching jet planes race; hours of boredom mixed with moments of sheer terror! <<SLAP!>> Heck, that's almost what we have now?

I think the racing itself was much better when they ran stock-appearing bodies and were turning laps of 165 - 170 MPH.
 
John Galt said:
I believe that it's a knee jerk reaction to just say, "Take off the plates and let em race!" My feeling is that these cars could easily hit 240 or more and I just don't believe that they can race at that speed. These drivers have quick reflexes but at 240+ MPH? That's just disaster just waiting to happen. What I fear we might wind up with is something akin to watching jet planes race; hours of boredom mixed with moments of sheer terror! <<SLAP!>> Heck, that's almost what we have now?

I think the racing itself was much better when they ran stock-appearing bodies and were turning laps of 165 - 170 MPH.
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Yes it was. Here's what Nascar should do, but won't. Issue a spec engine for the "plate tracks", producing about 500hp, a non restricted engine. Change the front ends and rear clips, so these cars actually look like the car you can get off the show room. That way they wouldn't match up so they could run around the track like trains or tag teams, what ever you want to call it. Let the teams cry about who has the better body, at least at Daytona and Dega they would have throttle response and be able to pass, it would all depend on handling and aero who could go the fastest. All other tracks you keep the engines like they are now or as they will be in the future with FI. I think Nascar has been trying a lame attempt at this with the New Nationwide cars, but they haven't gone far enough with it. Getting rid of the plates is long over do, it has been a problem right from the start. If you limit the HP but still have throttle response the speeds will be in range of what they want 185-190 and the racing will be better.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Yes it was. Here's what Nascar should do, but won't. Issue a spec engine for the "plate tracks", producing about 500hp, a non restricted engine. Change the front ends and rear clips, so these cars actually look like the car you can get off the show room. That way they wouldn't match up so they could run around the track like trains or tag teams, what ever you want to call it. Let the teams cry about who has the better body, at least at Daytona and Dega they would have throttle response and be able to pass, it would all depend on handling and aero who could go the fastest. All other tracks you keep the engines like they are now or as they will be in the future with FI. I think Nascar has been trying a lame attempt at this with the New Nationwide cars, but they haven't gone far enough with it. Getting rid of the plates is long over do, it has been a problem right from the start. If you limit the HP but still have throttle response the speeds will be in range of what they want 185-190 and the racing will be better.
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It's been a problem, at least in the making, since the day that one car maker complained that the other car maker and an aero advantage and instead of NASCAR saying, "So?" they let them modify a stock body solely in the interest of parity. Doing it to an engine was one thing but to a auto body? THAT took the "Stock" out of "Stock car." Since that day we've been on a collision course with the new "race" car and this current crap at Daytona and Talladega they call "Racing." Sorry. Astronomical lead changes do not a good race make. As far as I'm concerned, the first actual "Race" of the season will be next weekend, not this one. This tandem "Racing" is... Speaking only for myself, it's a travesty.
 
John Galt said:
...This tandem "Racing" is... Speaking only for myself, it's a travesty.
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It kind of reminds me of the old "train races" they used to run at Colorado Nat. Speedway a couple times a year. They would chain three cars together and have a driver in the first car and a brake man in the 3rd car (nobody rode in the 2nd one)...then they would race 6 or 8 "trains" around the figure 8 track. It was a hoot!! (of course it was the last race of the night due to major debris left on the track)
 
Tony1930 said:
It kind of reminds me of the old "train races" they used to run at Colorado Nat. Speedway a couple times a year. They would chain three cars together and have a driver in the first car and a brake man in the 3rd car (nobody rode in the 2nd one)...then they would race 6 or 8 "trains" around the figure 8 track. It was a hoot!! (of course it was the last race of the night due to major debris left on the track)
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Yeh those were funny, saw quite a few of those when I was living in Colorado Springs.
 
John Galt said:
It's been a problem, at least in the making, since the day that one car maker complained that the other car maker and an aero advantage and instead of NASCAR saying, "So?" they let them modify a stock body solely in the interest of parity. Doing it to an engine was one thing but to a auto body? THAT took the "Stock" out of "Stock car." Since that day we've been on a collision course with the new "race" car and this current crap at Daytona and Talladega they call "Racing." Sorry. Astronomical lead changes do not a good race make. As far as I'm concerned, the first actual "Race" of the season will be next weekend, not this one. This tandem "Racing" is... Speaking only for myself, it's a travesty.
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I'm in total agreement with you, season starts next week!
 
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