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Want to stop cheating? Send the driver home

By JENNA FRYER, AP Auto Racing Writer

June 25, 2007

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When six crew members were thrown out of the Daytona 500 for cheating it was suggested that NASCAR start suspending drivers as part of the penalty process.

Jimmie Johnson was aghast at the idea.

The defending Nextel Cup champion said he has no idea what crew chief Chad Knaus does while building his race cars. And even if Johnson were privy to such information, he has no control in how his Chevrolets are constructed.

Johnson's defense is at the very core of why NASCAR should start suspending its drivers. Benching the star of the team would force him to take responsibility for his crew.

Nothing else is working.

Johnson and teammate Jeff Gordon both showed up in Sonoma, Calif., with cars that failed initial inspection, and NASCAR refused to let them on the track Friday. But they still were allowed to race Sunday, and crew chiefs Knaus and Steve Letarte were both on site to guide their drivers to decent finishes. Gordon finished seventh and Johnson 17th.

Now they wait and wonder what further punishment NASCAR will impose. Penalties are traditionally issued on Tuesdays.

``All of us are blown away and we don't know what's coming next,'' Gordon said. ``We are at the mercy of NASCAR and I hope they are light on us, but who knows?''

That there's any doubt in what the penalties will be stems from decades of inconsistency when it comes to enforcing the rules and doling out the punishment.

Cheating has long been celebrated as a quaint piece of NASCAR culture that even has its own slogan -- ``If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin.''' There's long been a blurry territory of what is flagrant, what is working the margins of the rule book and what is a simple mistake.

Hendrick Motorsports is using that defense following this latest infraction, with team owner Rick Hendrick contending his crew chiefs were working within a ``gray area'' of the rule book.

``I don't necessarily say they bent the rules -- I think they thought they were working inside an area in which they could,'' Hendrick said. ``It's going to be tough, as we go forward, on what's intentional and what's accidental and how they handle it, so you're definitely going to have to show up with these things measured up.''

Here's the issue the Hendrick guys aren't understanding: There is no ``gray area'' anymore.

NASCAR is pretty serious about its new Car of Tomorrow, and has made it clear it won't tolerate any alterations in its design. In fact, series officials distributed a memo before the car debuted in March that outlined the penalties teams would be subjected to if they were caught messing with the COT.

So it was no surprise to anyone, Hendrick teams included, when Dale Earnhardt Jr. was docked 100 points and crew chief Tony Eury Jr. was suspended six weeks and fined $100,000 when their COT failed a May inspection.

The Hendrick teams most likely will get the same punishment -- although some argue Knaus' past infractions should warrant a much stiffer penalty because anything short of what Earnhardt and Eury received would seem unfair.

Problem is, it's probably not enough to even dent the Hendrick juggernaut.

Even after a 100-point penalty, Gordon would still be leading the Nextel Cup standings by 171 points. Johnson would drop from third to fifth. The monetary fines are irrelevant, and Hendrick proved last year it can overcome the absence of a crew chief when Johnson won twice during Knaus' four-race suspension.

And, don't think for a minute that Knaus and Letarte won't spend their free weekends back at the Hendrick compound making sure their program is locked and loaded for when the Chase for the championship begins in September.

What kind of message would it send if Knaus and Letarte, who have combined to win eight races this season, return after a suspension more dominant than they already are?

If NASCAR is serious about taking a stand, and chairman Brian France said Sunday officials ``have to lay down the law,'' then it's time to suspend the driver.

The driver is the most high-profile member of the team, and if he's at risk for going home, chances are he'd keep a very close eye on those charged with building his car.

And the fans don't care if Knaus or Eury or any other crew chief isn't on top of the pit box come race day. But they certainly wouldn't be pleased if Earnhardt, Johnson and Gordon weren't on the track.

NASCAR believes suspending drivers punishes the fans. Even better, because it would create more pressure on the driver to keep his team from breaking the rules.

There's no gray anymore, not according to NASCAR, which insists it's all black and white these days. But that message will never be delivered until NASCAR proves it with a penalty system that officially frightens its competitors.



Updated on Monday, Jun 25, 2007 6:02 pm EDT

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I agree with Jimmie, unless the driver is the owner then he really has little say and might not really know what goes on. I talked to some people at Brewco (Busch team) and they said the drivers are hardly at the shop. One of my buddys who is not a Jeff or Jimmie fan agreed that the drivers might not know what goes in to the car fully. Now if this was Robby Gordon (i am a fan) i could understand him being sent home, since he is an owner. Jeff is Jimmie's owner but manly thats just on paper, so really can't do anything to him.
 
Its OK to suspend the driver As long as he/she drives for HMS :p
 
If your Team Cheats everyone should pay the price. It's the only way to stop cheating. That way maybe more drivers will get involved in what gets put into their race car.
 
I agree. Let's take all of the innovative juices away from Nascar. Let's make it is as bland and politically correct as we can. Let's use crate engines and crate bodies. Think of all the money that would be saved.
While we're at it why not protect the drivers and put robots in the seats and let the spotter drive the car by remote control.
Yay, it's the new Nascar. The one that appeals to all these new Wal-Mart fans that have flooded into the sport without embracing or even understanding it's history.
 
If one went out and ran a marathon with 42 other people and some guy/gal won who was juiced up on roids, stood at the finish line jumping up and down, hooting and hollering about how great they are - what would you think?

If your baseball team lost every game they ever played against another team with loaded bats and were allowed to hit a different ball, what would you think?

If your at the Olympics and another hockey team was using illegal sticks and the goalie was using bigger equipment, would you be okay with that?

How can Nascar ever be taken seriously as a sport when cheating is looked upon as a good thing?

What would happen if every driver was required to use the same equipment?

Jeez, maybe the best driver would win once in a while.
 
My view, pure and simple. Car doesn't pass pre-race inspection, you sit it out. End of conversation. Doesn't pass post-inspection? Enjoy next weekend at home with the wife and kids ... and you didn't just finish this one either: it's wiped.

Not the crew chief, or the driver, or owner's points. You know the rules. If you've got a question, feel free to ask us about it. But if you don't follow the rules as we've got them written down .... don't waste our time.


But then, I also don't believe the sanctioning body should be designing cars in the first place either. GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota already have design departments.
 
I would be seriously pissed off if I paid good money and planned my vacation around going to a race and then one of my favorite driver's was not there because he was suspended for a rules infraction.

I personally think that penalizing points is the most logical way of controlling it. The problem there is when you start trying to judge intent. Did they try to improve their car's performance in what they thought was within the rules? Or did they intentionally cheat and hope to get away with it? How are you going to know for sure?
 
While I do believe that certain infractions should carry a heavier weight than others, what has been handed down with the COT has been fair. While t was a gray area, by no means was it cheating. Now Jimmie's car at the 2006 Daytona 500 was a cheater car and should have merited the team to be tossed out for the race. I agree that driver may not know about the incident, but this is a team sport and they are just a part of the team as anyone. Any driver that is not involved with the preporation of the car in some sort should be rewarded for their ignornace.
 
If one went out and ran a marathon with 42 other people and some guy/gal won who was juiced up on roids, stood at the finish line jumping up and down, hooting and hollering about how great they are - what would you think?

If your baseball team lost every game they ever played against another team with loaded bats and were allowed to hit a different ball, what would you think?

If your at the Olympics and another hockey team was using illegal sticks and the goalie was using bigger equipment, would you be okay with that?

How can Nascar ever be taken seriously as a sport when cheating is looked upon as a good thing?

What would happen if every driver was required to use the same equipment?

Jeez, maybe the best driver would win once in a while.

agreed 100 percent
 
I would be seriously pissed off if I paid good money and planned my vacation around going to a race and then one of my favorite driver's was not there because he was suspended for a rules infraction.

I personally think that penalizing points is the most logical way of controlling it. The problem there is when you start trying to judge intent. Did they try to improve their car's performance in what they thought was within the rules? Or did they intentionally cheat and hope to get away with it? How are you going to know for sure?

IMO NASCAR should not be trying to determine intent.
Was the car legal to the rules? Yes then you race, No, then you go home.

So you're going to be PO'd at NASCAR if you go to a race and your favorite driver isn't in it because his team cheated and got him disqualified?
Ain't that like shooting the messanger?

Like John Darby said on Sirius radio yesterday, there is NO grey area on the COT "Zero" Tolorance is the rule. Unless the rule book specifically lists a part or area and says teams can be creative on it, then it is hands off as far as alterations of any kind. End of Story.
 
I agree. Let's take all of the innovative juices away from Nascar. Let's make it is as bland and politically correct as we can. Let's use crate engines and crate bodies. Think of all the money that would be saved.
While we're at it why not protect the drivers and put robots in the seats and let the spotter drive the car by remote control.
Yay, it's the new Nascar. The one that appeals to all these new Wal-Mart fans that have flooded into the sport without embracing or even understanding it's history.


Oh how politically incorrect you are, but I agree with you on that, so now there are two of us.

For crying out loud, you people are acting like this is something that is new and has never happened before. I liked what someone wrote in another thread I believe, that NASCAR is grooming Chad Knaus to be the next Gary Nelson. From the lowest level of racing to the top, the teams are going to do everything they can to get an edge. Sometimes what they do, they know is a no-no, but other times, with the rules being not so black and white, they take a chance and go for broke. In the old days, it was said that NASCAR would tell certain teams what they were looking for and when, and that would allow teams to work around the rules. Times have changed and NASCAR supposedly doesn't do that any more, so the teams try their best to be innovative. It's been said that what the two Hendricks cars were guilty of, three other cars were worse, but they weren't inspected. I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Sometimes I wonder why many of you have ever become a fan of this sport.
 
My view, pure and simple. Car doesn't pass pre-race inspection, you sit it out. End of conversation. Doesn't pass post-inspection? Enjoy next weekend at home with the wife and kids ... and you didn't just finish this one either: it's wiped.

Not the crew chief, or the driver, or owner's points. You know the rules. If you've got a question, feel free to ask us about it. But if you don't follow the rules as we've got them written down .... don't waste our time.


But then, I also don't believe the sanctioning body should be designing cars in the first place either. GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota already have design departments.

Awesome...i like this attitude, i agree totally:beerbang:
 
I agree. Let's take all of the innovative juices away from Nascar. Let's make it is as bland and politically correct as we can. Let's use crate engines and crate bodies. Think of all the money that would be saved.
While we're at it why not protect the drivers and put robots in the seats and let the spotter drive the car by remote control.
Yay, it's the new Nascar. The one that appeals to all these new Wal-Mart fans that have flooded into the sport without embracing or even understanding it's history.

I agree with you BP. That is exactly what we need. Then we would have 36 Michigan races. Rather boring.
 
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