I can't wait.

Hey, PB--My electric went out before the race was finished, so next week will officially start it for me. Go DJ!!!!!!! :p
 
I was under the impression that todays race was for points.
But I have to admit it was pretty uneventful today unless you like the wrecks. It sure would have been alot better if the weather had not been an issue.
 
OH YA Daytona put my guy 5th in points,So it meant something.But I say this was one of the worst Daytona races I have ever seen.It put full proof of who controls the show. B)
 
Today was a good race i thought!! Just not for the lead.
 
I'm with you on this one Pbunch. I can't wait to see them race without the plates. I fell asleep and missed the end of the Daytona 500. I'm not thinkin' that would have happened during the first "race" of the year of it were a real race.
 
At least Kurt had the first LEGAL car across the finish line.lol

Congrats to Mark for a good run too!Stewart,Johnson and Harvick as well.And Mike Wallace ran good.Oh well...

On to the rock! :)
 
I swear, if nascar wants some real racing for the opener of the season, lets race at Bristol.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Feb 17 2003, 07:05 AM
At least Kurt had the first LEGAL car across the finish line.lol

Congrats to Mark for a good run too!Stewart,Johnson and Harvick as well.And Mike Wallace ran good.Oh well...

On to the rock! :)
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You sure do talk a big game about DEI running illegal and NASCAR being for Chevy and a lot of other crap...do you have anything to back this up or is this the dream that you would like to live in? :huh:

Just wondering.
 
You mean this?

Ever since Ford and Mopar showed Generic Motors the door over three decades ago,Nascar/France were determined to do whatever was required to bring the bowtie-brigade 'back' to the forefront[though they were never really there until AFTER the France concessions].

'Rumor'----ok,history--has it that behind closed door meetings were conducted in the seventies between France and the head of Chevrolet racing.France agreed to several things to lure this car-brand back into the stock car world.After all Chevrolet WAS the most popular brand of automobile on the planet.From a marketing standpoint,then, France almost HAD to kiss-bowtie butt.

And he did,of course.

That is when the first modern-era Chevy 'superstars' were created.First with ol' DW....then ol'Senior...then ol' Gordon....now ol' Jr.

Three of those four drivers mentioned have 'won' about 75% of Chevrolet's races in the last thirty years!

The more--uh--conspiratorial theories have France only allowing for ONE Chevy approved Mega-superstar at a time.One Waltrip.One Earnhardt,etc....oh the others could win a few races...be fed a few crumbs...but the 'chosen ones' got all the real help.

Ask Bobby Allison,Nascars first anti-poster boy.Ask about DW and the 'company car'.

And ask Bobby why one of the best----if not the VERY best--Stock car divers of all time,only won ONE WC championship.When Earnhardt,Waltrip and Gordon have how many?14 between them!

For those of you who doubt this.....read the history of this sport....or better yet,find some of the old pioneer's and ask them.Some of them are pretty approachable guys.


Bobby's number was in the phone book here---so was Neil's and Red's.

But try to call Jr. or Gordon. 

Anyway....when Jr. wins today,dont be too surprised.

Man..if Bobby would have only had a cigerette pack sized traction-control device!!
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Oh, ok.... :rolleyes:

Rumor has it that Jimmy Hoffa has a goal line seat at Giant Stadium too......
 
Any counter arguments?

Like TWF said, most of us don't need "proof" that the sun came up this morning...we can see it with our own two eyes.
 
I just thinks its funny that when Mark Martin was winning all the road courses, no one said anything...

Sterling won the 500 twice in a row...nothing said.

Rousch Racing won the first three or four races at Vegas, nothing said.

Jeff Burton won I forget how many "rain-shorten" races a couple of years ago, but no one remebers that....

But Heaven forbid a team that targets the tracks at Talladega and Daytona wins them. I'm not going to get into the arguement about RAD...its getting just as old as people crying that DEI is illegal and NASCAR helps them.

If DEI is running so illegal and NASCAR wants them to be in the forefront, why is it that this only comes out when Daytona and Talladega comes around?
 
Originally posted by paul@Feb 17 2003, 01:21 PM
Any counter arguments?

Like TWF said, most of us don't need "proof" that the sun came up this morning...we can see it with our own two eyes.
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The sun doesn't come up illegally....and no one says it does...last time I checked... ;)
 
Originally posted by 66mustang@Feb 17 2003, 10:42 AM
I swear, if nascar wants some real racing for the opener of the season, lets race at Bristol.
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I think they ought to move the Winston to Bristol.


Guido
 
I think it comes out constantly...as it's pretty obvious. When other drivers start to say it then it strengthes the argument.

People cheat in car racing. Why is so hard to believe that DEI is cheating?

Gimmie some good thoughts on why someone like Waltrip is now a two time Daytona winner, but is a complete non factor for the rest of the season. Don't give the blanket statement of, "DEI are good on plate races, they put a lot of money into R&D for those tracks". Let's hear some thoughts on what you think they're doing that makes them so dominant.

Have they sunk so much money into research for these tracks that they are able to break laws of physics? Is their research so good that laws of gravity and physics do not apply to their cars? How much money does it take to make your car be able to overcome the laws of physics that the other cars are subject to? How can their cars break away but no one else can? Open your eyes man.
 
Originally posted by Guido+Feb 17 2003, 10:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guido @ Feb 17 2003, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--66mustang@Feb 17 2003, 10:42 AM
I swear, if nascar wants some real racing for the opener of the season, lets race at Bristol.
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I think they ought to move the Winston to Bristol.


Guido [/b][/quote]
Man would that be cool! :)
 
I think it comes out constantly...as it's pretty obvious.&nbsp; When other drivers start to say it then it strengthes the argument.&nbsp;
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Who, Jimmy Spencer and Johnny Benson? Spencer saying what he did is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. And who is Johnny Benson?

[/b][/quote]Gimmie some good thoughts on why someone like Waltrip is now a two time Daytona winner, but is a complete non factor for the rest of the season.


A few of us were talking about this yesterday in between snow flakes....Waltrip has usually ran pretty good at Talladega and Daytona regardless which team he was with. I'll look up his results a little later, but I do seem to remember at least a top three at Daytona and possibly Talladega.


Don't give the blanket statement of, "DEI are good on plate races, they put a lot of money into R&D for those tracks".
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As soon as I stop seeing the typical "DEI is cheating". and "NASCAR is helping DEI".
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I didn't say that yet.

I asked you how they are so dominant. Let's hear some proof that they are just that good, that they have researched enough to make their cars disobey laws of physics.

Also, if you could touch on why you think they are only consistant at these races that would help too. Why a team, so completely dominant there, fade into the background for the rest of they year.

Waiting...
 
Even my brother thought there was something fishy going on and he doesn't even follow any type of auto racing. I told him the story and he said it was just NASCAR's way of continueing the Earnhardt name on restrictor plate races.


Boy, it will be a good story if Jr wins the 500 in his 20th try too.
 
P.S.

I'm pretty sure they cheat...they either:

A: Are getting help from NASCAR as history has dictated.

or

B: Haven't gotten caught.

Teams have always cheated in NASCAR, why is it only DEI fans that are oblivious to this? Do they just want to continue living in their make-believe world?
 
Originally posted by paul@Feb 17 2003, 10:56 AM
P.S.

I'm pretty sure they cheat...they either:

A) Are getting help from NASCAR as history has dictated.

or

B) Haven't gotten caught.

Teams have always cheated in NASCAR, why is it only DEI fans that are oblivious to this? Do they just want to continue living in their make-believe world?
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Exactly paul. Look at Gordon. He dominated in the early years and when everybody found out their little secrets, he didn't look so great anymore. Obviously they found something other people haven't yet.
 
Originally posted by 66mustang@Feb 17 2003, 01:55 PM
Even my brother thought there was something fishy going on and he doesn't even follow any type of auto racing. I told him the story and he said it was just NASCAR's way of continueing the Earnhardt name on restrictor plate races.


Boy, it will be a good story if Jr wins the 500 in his 20th try too.
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Absolutely...most of the racing news shows are already playing the "Jr's luck at Daytona is exactly like his daddy's" violins.

But nothing could be farther from the truth.

Jr isn't a champion, his father was. How is their luck similar?

If it's true, can we compare say.....Johnny Benson's luck to that of Earnhardt's? Can we compare Todd Bodine's? Can we compare Elliot Sadler's? Rudd's? Rusty's?

How are Jr and Sr's luck at that race related at all?
 
But only at the restrictor plate races. If Jr was that good of a driver, he'd back it up at other tracks which he can't do too well.
 
Now someone will come along and say he won two or three other races somewhere else...as if that's proof of something. :)
 
may be they are cheating may be not, i don't have an inside at NASCAR so i can't say. my question is....
Jeff Gordon won what 13 races in 98 were they cheatin or just good
richard Petty won 200 races whas he cheatin (bad choice we know he did)
DE won 36 races at Daytona did he cheat
Sterlin won 2 in a row at daytona was he cheatin

Bottom line is when someone can show me solid PROOF DEI is cheatin i will agree and call them all Non drivein SOB's till then everybody that dosen't like DEi just needs to quit cryin.
 
Of course they were breaking the rules.

As is DEI...as anyone with a working set of eyes can see.

The question is whether or not NASCAR is in on it, creating their next superstar! ;)
 
Jr will never be the superstar DE or JG were or are.

the only thing that pisses me off about this is the majority of his distractors say he can only win at plate tracks. Texas, richmond and Dover are not plate tracks.

also you don't become the bush champ twice not being able to drive. Yea Yea i know he had the best equpt. Jeff (i don't drive that way) Green drove the same car no championships in it . I think Roush had cars running Bush when Jr was there and i think Mark Martin and Jeff burton driving them part time along with Biffle. but i guess thats not good Equpt.

All i am sayin is if you finish in the top 20 in Winston cup there is no doubt in my mind you CAN drive a race car.
 
Geez,Fergy....I missed all of this 'discussion'earlier.

And by the way,that was a bit personal the way you singled me out------I wouldn't have done you or any other poster that way.But thats just me.


Your pro-chevy comments are as much your 'right' as are my viewpoints.But if my bias shows...so does yours.

I respect everyone's right to feel the way they choose,as do most folks on this board,I assume.

Ahh...to heck with it.Some of the other guys on here have made as good an argument as I could that D.E.I/Norris are not excactly legit.Judging by your avatar you are not likely to be swayed by any comments I could make anyway.


So I refrain from this.I remember,[I think]that you are from NW Alabama....and It just seems unsightly for us Southern boys to act in this manner on here.


So have a nice evening buddy.If I offended YOU personally,I apologize---but we both know that isnt the case: you just got p***** because I said something that struck a chord somehow.For the record,I neither like nor respect JR.or DEI or Childress.Sorry if that is so unsettling to you.It isnt against you personally......but you damn sure took it that way.


Next time drop a pm,huh?I would be glad to debate anything you care to debate----just dont attack so publicly.


Peace buddy and take it easy. :cheers:
 
Hey 97, I didn't mean for it to look like I singled you out...I'm very sorry about that.

I do get aggrivated about some of the things that is said about DEI and especailly Jr....that's no secret. Ask Paully about ...it goes back a long time! :D

I do get P.O'd and I probably to go too far sometimes with my responses. If I offend anyone, let me know. I'll try to watch my responses a little closer.

And since all this was on the board and was public, I want to keep it in the public. So I want to apologize and say I'm sorry.

And like I said, if anyone ever has a problem with me, let me know. On the board or by PM, either is fine with me.

Hope things are cool...if not, let me know.

:cheers: 97.....
 
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