I dont get it???

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danjay6

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Okay, I know the world of NASCAR is changing as we know it but I have something I dont get...

I am a big Mark Martin fan first of all.

Now that that is straightend out I want to ask everyone here ....when was the last time age had anything to do with NASCAR?

Please I beg you not to fall into that tv ploy that makes you think the young guns are more skilled than the vets.

Everytime I see something about how the 2003 standings will come about I see that Mark is way on down the list with the reason being he is too old. Infact on a tv show the other day they said Mark was going to be out of the top ten because he is just too old and cannt hang with the young guns.

WHAT????
Not that long ago the older you were in NASCAR the better you were supposed to be. This is not basketball or football and age is not a factor. Atleast that is what I thought......Please tell me why the younger you are the better you should be????
 
Well, they say, and who's they anyway, that the older you get, you begin to lose your reflexes, and that in turn is supposed to slow you down. I believe that Mark is a long way from that point and you can look at the top 15 in points from last year. How many of those guys are in their forties? Mark is pretty sharp and keeps up with his health. If I were to say that Mark won't finish in the top ten, it wouldn't be because of his age.

One more thing while I'm here. Those guys who have been racing for many years have also been in some of the worst accidents in racing, so to speak. That means they have gone through some pretty tough times when it comes to recouperating. The young guns have yet to see something like that and are more likely to take a chance in some situations. A great example of this is to watch Bill Elliott at both Daytona and Talladega. If he is at the front, he will work to stay there, but once he get shuffled back a ways, he will always drop to near the very end of that pack. He like to stay in as much control of his own desitiny as he can because he has been through a lot. I guess one would call it maturity, one way or another. Once a guy reaches a point that he is just too careful, his time is pretty much up and he might as well retire. Younger guys are harder to scare is guess.
 
Don't listen to them. Mark is very capable of winning the championship this year. He is not too old. Younger drivers inject a spark into the sport, but this is about the only sport where a 20 year old can compete against a 45 year old without either having the edge just based on age. Experience is a big factor in racing. I wish him the very best.:D
 
I don't get that either.:) Only difference I've noticed in recent years is that some of the young guys are getting better equipment from the start instead of learning the ropes in mediocre cars like most of the old timers had to do. They get to the top faster that way.......and naturally get more attention sooner.

I'm not really a Mark Martin fan........but he isn't too old to race.:) I think Mark's problem is that he's ready to hang it up......he's hinted at that for a couple years now. And who could blame him........it's a grueling season.
 
I thought I was the only one ready to :bleh: everytime I heard "Young Gun". These drivers are given second to none equipment and experienced crews to make them look good. Put anybody in some of that equipment and they'd be winners too.

I'm sick of hearing about Young Gun this and Young Gun that!
 
Time after time this season and last the veteran's made the media look more than a little stupid in their efforts to proport the younger drivers as having some sort edge. I did not pay a bit of attention to that kind of crap. If you have been watching racing long enough you know that age plays a very small part role in performance on the track. Experience at most tracks is more key than age. I like many of the younger drivers and probably equally as many of the veterans so I think it is a bunch of drivel!

Kel
 
The only reason the media is going crazy over this "Young Gun" stuff is because its exciting. You won't see these veterans making these nearly impossible saves in a car. They know not to be in that situation in the first place. The young guns don't so its exciting seeing them test the limits because they don't know where it is yet.
 
Those "impossible saves" are more often than not nothing but luck.:) A save happens when you lose control and keep it from wrecking.......the trick is to maintain control (also keeping it from wrecking).:D
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
Those "impossible saves" are more often than not nothing but luck.:)   A save happens when you lose control and keep it from wrecking.......the trick is to maintain control (also keeping it from wrecking).:D
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Yeah saving it is luck. But it seems like the veterens know how not to get into those situations in the first place.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever
like harvick at Kanas in 2002 :p
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It was Chicagoland...

But yep! If he was smart enough, he wouldn't have put him or his car into that situation. But you have to admit, it looked kinda neat, and then to come back and win. Thats what all the hype about young guns is all about right there.
 
I have been one of the biggest Mark Martin fans since he was the original ASA wonder boy way back when.I am crazy about the guy and respect him a lot.

But that said-and I think Mark is one of the handful of best stock-car drivers ever-the fire is gone there.Like[I think it was Wrangler]said,its not so much the age thing as much as it is the sheer grueling nature of this modern era.

Long time Mark fans will hate to hear this as much as I hate to say it,but IMO the 'Arkansas traveler's' best days are behind him. And while this post is not PARTICULARLY about Mark,he is a great example of the point.I mean what real Mark fan wants to see him go out like D.W did?When it is time to go,it is time to go.

And I just think that guys like Mark,maybe Jarrett too,should go out on top.And that is not really an age thing at all.

And yes,Mark had one of his best years in 2002-but 2002 was one of the oddest seasons I have ever personally seen.Blame it on el-nino I guess.But don't look for Mark to win the title this year.And sadly,probably ever.


Sorry Mark.You are still the REAL 1990 WC champ though!
 
Ya know, ya can't say he didn't give it his all. Sadly what you said is probably the truth.
 
97, I've said it a million times. Mark Martin is the best driver to never win the Winston Cup Championship. When Mark came up the second time, with Roush, I loved watching that kid's spunk. When he rolled his Strohs car at Riverside, he began to run back to the pits. He knew that he had a great car and was doing well and wanted to get help getting that car back on the track racing. Somewhere along the line, I tired of Mark, and his interviews always seemed like he was about half dead, always sorry for something. When he really got into weight training, it looked like he got older. What made him so wrinkley? :) I'm not sure if he has lost the drive to win, but it's like it just isn't in the stars for him to get that big trophy.
 
Originally posted by buckaroo
What made him so wrinkley?  
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Ya know, the G-forces while driving can get to a driver. I guess they leave permenent marks for some.:p
 
The wrinkles are probably hereditary. Some people just look older than they are......some don't.:)
 
Yeh the whole young gun thing is fabricated by the media to generate excitement , i don't buy into it. There are great young drivers out there and there are great old drivers out there, Mark Martin included.
 
Umm no....was i not clear....just said there are good ones in both. The media does all that too get the fans riled up, i don't get riled about that, but restictor plates.....well as you know that is a touchy subject with me!:rolleyes:
 
Age does play a part. Richard Petty, Bobby Allison, Dave Marcis, Dick Trickle, and Jaws all stuck around past the point of being sharp enough. I submit that also happened to Earnhardt. The man DID fall asleep during a race, ya know.

But Mark is not quite that old yet. Plus, he is in far better physical condition than any of the above drivers. I think he'll have a drop off this season, but I base that on my opinion that it's his turn to get the red headed stepchild equipment at Roush this year, just as Burton had it last year.
 
The sponsors are looking for "market representation" more than they are looking for performance these days it seems. When Ganassi is fielding 2 rookies with great sponsors it really makes you wonder considering the experience that he passed up to make that happen. If the kids dont get some recognition then neither do the sponsors. The rookies battles the past few years have been more talked about and that adds more "storyline" to the race coverage. Driver's like Ned Jarrett are a thing of the past, he retired on the very top of his game. Owner's and sponsors dont let go near as easily as they did back then and the lure of the "big" money that is out there now is ever present even as ones career fades.

Kel

Oliver Wendell Holmes said "A young man knows the rules, An old one knows the exceptions"
That may be the real meaning of wisdom...
 
Originally posted by 97forever
As long as Jack doesn't stick Biffle in the old recycled Musgrave car.....
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...or that Family Channel paint scheme. Yuck.
 
Originally posted by 97forever
As long as Jack doesn't stick Biffle in the old recycled Musgrave car.....
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Do you think that Martin will stick around with Roach Racing if he doesn't win? How many more years does he have a contract with them?
 
Originally posted by fergy1370
Do you think that Martin will stick around with Roach Racing if he doesn't win? How many more years does he have a contract with them?
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I couldn't tell ya but I think if things don't start out well for Burton, he'll probably leave.
 
I believe Mark will stay with Roush until the devil has frostbite.And why would'nt he?Mark has to much class to drive for Childress or Ty Norris inc.,Gibbs has two good drivers,Yates just hired Sadler and Helton pulled the device from Hendricks. And besides,Mark has that rare and hard to define quality called loyalty that will keep him with Jack for the duration.

But Burton could very well leave,I agree.

But I sure hope not.
 
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