I just don't understand the whining!

[buckaroo]

I read today about how some of those guys in the "chase" are still upset with the way the new system is going. Tony Stewart in particular and his CC are very vocal about this. Their story is that they worked all year for the first 26 races to get into the top ten for the "chase", but was pretty much taken out of it in the first one or two races on that last ten. (Hmmm, did that sound right?) Anyway, I just don't understand their logic here because even under the old system, they would have been pretty much out anyway. However, there is something to be said about how these guys are pretty much points racing still. Jimmy Johnson can win the remaining races, lead the most laps and still not win the title if Kurt Busch has an average finish of 5th or higher.

I'm getting away from my original thought here, but it just amazes me as to what these guys can complain about. Under the old system, Tony is still 307 points out of the lead. Under the new system, he's only 204 points out.

I guess these guys feel that they should all stick to withing 50 points of each other until the very last race, I don't know.

 

[Professur]

Just wait 'til election day.

 

[kat2220]

Points under the OLD system, and I'll get the cheese to go with the Whine


Rank +/- Driver Points Behind Starts Poles Wins Top 5 Top 10 Winnings
1 -- Jeff Gordon 4328 Leader 31 6 5 13 21 $5,651,970
2 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4327 -1 31 0 5 15 20 $6,414,640
3 -- Kurt Busch 4139 -189 31 0 3 8 17 $3,610,140
4 -- Jimmie Johnson 4120 -208 31 1 5 16 18 $4,639,330
5 -- Tony Stewart 4021 -307 31 0 2 9 16 $5,537,030
6 -- Elliott Sadler 3984 -344 31 0 2 8 14 $4,542,870
7 -- Matt Kenseth 3942 -386 31 0 2 8 16 $5,680,300
8 -- Jamie McMurray 3878 -450 31 0 0 7 19 $3,160,540
9 -- Mark Martin 3862 -466 31 0 1 8 13 $3,312,700
10 -- Dale Jarrett 3804 -524 31 0 0 6 14 $4,083,320
11 -- Ryan Newman 3760 -568 31 6 2 9 12 $4,491,460
12 -- Jeremy Mayfield 3684 -644 31 2 1 5 12 $3,469,510
13 -- Kevin Harvick 3662 -666 31 0 0 4 11 $4,190,240
14 +1 Bobby Labonte 3652 -676 31 1 0 5 9 $4,020,320
15 -1 Kasey Kahne* 3626 -702 31 4 0 10 11 $4,186,500
16 -- Michael Waltrip 3358 -970 31 0 0 2 9 $3,707,830
17 +2 Jeff Burton 3313 -1015 31 0 0 2 5 $3,302,160
18 -1 Rusty Wallace 3289 -1039 31 0 1 3 8 $3,884,060
19 +2 Joe Nemechek 3284 -1044 31 2 1 2 7 $3,389,400
20 -- Casey Mears 3259 -1069 31 2 0 1 9 $2,873,190
21 +1 Sterling Marlin 3251 -1077 31 0 0 2 6 $3,550,380
22 -4 Greg Biffle 3246 -1082 31 1 1 3 6 $2,904,060
23 -- Robby Gordon 3180 -1148 31 0 0 2 6 $3,469,970
24 -- Terry Labonte 3140 -1188 31 0 0 0 6 $3,321,640
25 +1 Ricky Rudd 3008 -1320 31 1 0 1 2 $3,233,340
26 -1 Brian Vickers* 2975 -1353 31 2 0 0 3 $2,676,060
27 -- Scott Wimmer* 2789 -1539 31 0 0 1 2 $3,347,380
28 +1 Ward Burton 2734 -1594 31 0 0 0 3 $2,293,760
29 +1 Brendan Gaughan* 2690 -1638 31 0 0 1 3 $2,552,850
30 -2 Scott Riggs* 2678 -1650 31 0 0 1 2 $3,103,720
31 -- Ken Schrader 2604 -1724 31 0 0 0 1 $2,370,440
32 -- Jeff Green 2541 -1787 31 0 0 0 0 $3,035,410
33 -- Kyle Petty 2501 -1827 31 0 0 0 0 $2,509,970
34 -- Ricky Craven 2086 -2242 26 0 0 0 0 $2,337,420
35 -- Jimmy Spencer 1911 -2417 25 0 0 0 0 $1,931,150
36 -- Dave Blaney 1347 -2981 16 0 0 0 0 $1,461,640
37 -- Johnny Sauter* 1308 -3020 14 0 0 0 0 $1,224,720
38 -- Derrike Cope 1058 -3270 18 0 0 0 0 $1,349,620
39 +3 Bobby Hamilton Jr. 882 -3446 12 0 0 0 0 $883,660
40 -1 Morgan Shepherd 851 -3477 17 0 0 0 0 $1,029,700
41 -1 Carl Edwards 844 -3484 8 0 0 0 3 $847,486
42 -1 Todd Bodine 826 -3502 17 0 0 0 0 $1,053,320
43 -- Kevin Lepage 717 -3611 14 0 0 0 0 $1,044,830
44 -- Hermie Sadler 662 -3666 12 0 0 0 0 $737,069
45 -- Kirk Shelmerdine 643 -3685 16 0 0 0 0 $988,011
46 -- Mike Wallace 575 -3753 7 0 0 0 1 $461,970
47 +1 John Andretti 557 -3771 6 0 0 0 0 $575,936
48 -1 Bill Elliott 498 -3830 5 0 0 0 1 $497,200
49 -- PJ Jones 316 -4012 5 0 0 0 0 $293,704
50 +4 Kyle Busch 311 -4017 5 0 0 0 0 $329,580
51 -1 Geoffrey Bodine 278 -4050 5 0 0 0 0 $364,460
52 +5 Tony Raines 275 -4053 5 0 0 0 0 $361,969
53 -2 Johnny Benson 271 -4057 4 0 0 0 0 $403,674
54 -2 Kenny Wallace 268 -4060 4 0 0 0 0 $313,355
55 -2 Carl Long 267 -4061 6 0 0 0 0 $371,479
56 -1 Larry Gunselman 248 -4080 5 0 0 0 0 $303,159
57 -1 Joe Ruttman 247 -4081 7 0 0 0 0 $399,093
58 -- Mike Bliss 230 -4098 2 0 0 1 1 $148,555
59 -- Kerry Earnhardt 228 -4100 3 0 0 0 0 $227,779
60 -- Stanton Barrett 224 -4104 5 0 0 0 0 $341,878
61 -- Boris Said 223 -4105 2 0 0 0 1 $200,865
62 -- Shane Hmiel 218 -4110 3 0 0 0 0 $208,150
63 -- Scott Pruett 207 -4121 2 0 0 1 1 $236,315
64 -- Andy Hillenburg 206 -4122 5 0 0 0 0 $338,332
65 -- Larry Foyt 194 -4134 3 0 0 0 0 $342,337
66 -- Ron Fellows 170 -4158 1 0 0 1 1 $101,260
67 -- Klaus Graf 112 -4216 1 0 0 0 0 $58,925
68 -- Tom Hubert 110 -4218 2 0 0 0 0 $111,250
69 -- Jim Inglebright 106 -4222 1 0 0 0 0 $70,550
70 +7 Jeff Fuller 105 -4223 3 0 0 0 0 $186,610
71 -1 Andy Belmont 98 -4230 2 0 0 0 0 $139,614
72 -1 Mike Skinner 97 -4231 1 0 0 0 0 $251,813
73 -1 Eric McClure 90 -4238 1 0 0 0 0 $65,175
74 -1 Ted Christopher 89 -4239 2 0 0 0 0 $116,369
75 +7 Greg Sacks 77 -4251 2 0 0 0 0 $105,495
76 -2 Chad Blount 74 -4254 2 0 0 0 0 $124,312
77 -2 Tony Ave 70 -4258 1 0 0 0 0 $53,465
78 -2 David Green 70 -4258 1 0 0 0 0 $56,565
79 -1 Austin Cameron 49 -4279 1 0 0 0 0 $57,590
80 -1 Jason Jarrett 43 -4285 1 0 0 0 0 $51,505
81 -1 Brandon Ash 40 -4288 1 0 0 0 0 $57,450
82 -1 J.J. Yeley 40 -4288 1 0 0 0 0 $76,640
83 -- Randy LaJoie 34 -4294 1 0 0 0 0 $55,651
84 -- Jason Leffler 34 -4294 1 0 0 0 0 $116,359


* Denotes Rookie

 

[Eagle1]

Originally posted by buckaroo@Oct 24 2004, 10:39 AM
I read today about how some of those guys in the "chase" are still upset with the way the new system is going. Tony Stewart in particular and his CC are very vocal about this. Their story is that they worked all year for the first 26 races to get into the top ten for the "chase", but was pretty much taken out of it in the first one or two races on that last ten. (Hmmm, did that sound right?) Anyway, I just don't understand their logic here because even under the old system, they would have been pretty much out anyway. However, there is something to be said about how these guys are pretty much points racing still. Jimmy Johnson can win the remaining races, lead the most laps and still not win the title if Kurt Busch has an average finish of 5th or higher.

I'm getting away from my original thought here, but it just amazes me as to what these guys can complain about. Under the old system, Tony is still 307 points out of the lead. Under the new system, he's only 204 points out.

I guess these guys feel that they should all stick to withing 50 points of each other until the very last race, I don't know.

I know Buck, Tony is in a better point position now than if the old system were in place. However I don't think that's the real point. They didn't like the new system before the last 10 races and thay still don't like it. Neither do I, it doesn't matter if my guys in a better point position than he would have been. I just plain don't like it.

 

[slick-nick]

Ya know, I really liked the idea of the chase at the beginning of the season, but now after we're over half-way thru it, I really don't think I care for it much anymore. I mean, yeah it brings a lot of drivers closer together to race for the championship, but that's all they focus on. If ya look under the old points system, McMurray and Jarrett are 8th and 10th, and those are two guys who won't have a chance to get in the top 10. I don't know, I just think it needs a lot of tweaking.

 

[Exodeath]

You all have good points, but then again, you have to race consistently well to get a good shot. That's how playoff systems work and that is essentially what the Chase is.

Ten drivers get a shot. One can argue that it isn't as close as you'd like it to be but the point is it's still closer than before and it makes for a better season ending. At least it's not just between 2 drivers anymore. Mind you, I'm a new fan but Nascar used to have the same problem that forumla one does right now, past the 26th race you pretty much know who's gonna win or at least have a pretty good idea.

This way, if someone screws up too much or someone races really well, they're back in th hunt. More than I can say for the old system for the last 10 races. I mean, I always prefered a clean slate for the last bit of any sports season.

Whatever works though, either way, the good racers will still be at the top no matter what points system is used. That thing with Dale Jarret does suck though, he's done really well and can't get into the top 10 no matter what. Sucks.

 

[majestyx]

Exo, you stated exactly what one of my greatest dislikes for the C4C is. Someone that is NOT in the top 10 after race #26 still has no chance to do so. As the post made by kat shows, both Jamie McMurray and Dale Jarrett would be in the top 10 and possibly still have a chance to be at the head table for the banquet. They DON'T have that chance with the C4C.

 

[Exodeath]

Yeah, that's the only part I don't like. Jarret is cool. I like old racers because in other sports once your'e over 35 you're "old". bull****! Jarret rules!


(crap, I'm gonna be fine for that... )

 

[majestyx]

hehe Yep! That'll cost you 25 points and $.01!