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WideOpenPhoto
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I pose this question to you.. if your child were to race, who would be there sponsor.
Mine.... Nemo
Mine.... Nemo
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esorlxaw
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Viagra...duh!
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racerx11
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Kool aid
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TonyB
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Who ever I could get to foot the freakin' bill.
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slick-nick
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.. What he said.
.. What he said. [/b][/quote]
yea, what they said!
some ppl i would not drive for, or want my kids to (if and when i have kids)
But just about who would put there name on the check works for me :lol:
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EatMorePossum
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RedneckJunk.com
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boB
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I guess there's only a couple of folks here who have some idea of what's involved in finding sponsors for race cars.
Over the years. volumes have been written about how to sell your race team to a potential sponsor. Some of it works, some of it is pure B.S. and some of it is somewhere in between.
If only it were so simple as to just say "I want so and so or such and such to sponsor my kid's car."
Sorry, but it simply doesn't work that way in the real world, folks.
Oh yeah, my kid literally grew up travelling to race tracks, has been involved on his own since his very early teens, spent several years as a full time shopforeman/car chief for a BGNN/Busch and part-time CTS team and currently is associated with another PASS pro-stock and BGNN team which for financial reasons (and not a lack of sponsorship, but the costs in both money and time, of running that NASCAR series) only runs a limited schedule. Like his dad, he's done a bit of seat time over the years as well, but found that his real enjoyment was in creating things, not wrecking them.
He's the third generation to spend his time in this manner, he's taken all the knowledge his dad could give him, self-taught the latest technology and even though he never finished high school, he can hold up his end of the conversation with mechanical and design engineers with no problem.
Also taught himself the fabrication and welding skills needed to design and build race cars from a pile of tubing and parts.
And yep, you're right. I'm pretty damn proud of him!
Over the years. volumes have been written about how to sell your race team to a potential sponsor. Some of it works, some of it is pure B.S. and some of it is somewhere in between.
If only it were so simple as to just say "I want so and so or such and such to sponsor my kid's car."
Sorry, but it simply doesn't work that way in the real world, folks.
Oh yeah, my kid literally grew up travelling to race tracks, has been involved on his own since his very early teens, spent several years as a full time shopforeman/car chief for a BGNN/Busch and part-time CTS team and currently is associated with another PASS pro-stock and BGNN team which for financial reasons (and not a lack of sponsorship, but the costs in both money and time, of running that NASCAR series) only runs a limited schedule. Like his dad, he's done a bit of seat time over the years as well, but found that his real enjoyment was in creating things, not wrecking them.
He's the third generation to spend his time in this manner, he's taken all the knowledge his dad could give him, self-taught the latest technology and even though he never finished high school, he can hold up his end of the conversation with mechanical and design engineers with no problem.
Also taught himself the fabrication and welding skills needed to design and build race cars from a pile of tubing and parts.
And yep, you're right. I'm pretty damn proud of him!
Whizzer
Gig'em
Go ahead !!!! Make a joke out of this question !!! You people do not take racing seriously enough !!!!! Nemo ?? Viagra ?? And how many made jokes about Viagra when Mark Martin and Roush Racing brought them on board ??? Makes a difference how we can sacrifice our principals when the money rolls through the door. And to think some complain NASCAR is greedy !!!! YEA !!!! Whoever pays the bills !!!!!!!
Okay, so from practical experience forty-five years ago racing on a 1/4 mile mud bullring with the first and second turns downhill and third and fourth up, racing strictly stock flathead V8's and six cylinder Chevys, Dodges and Plymouths. Very few guys had sponsors in those days.
We wanted to show we were a "real" race team and contrived with the guy who owned the diner next to where we kept the race car, to be our sponsor. He agreed and we painted the car red, white and blue, put a Bardahl sticker on the roof above the windshield (it was a freebie) and painted the name of the diner with accompanying info on the entire rear section of the car. We were BIG TIME !!!!! We had a sponsor !!!!!! We flat towed the car to the races. No fancy trailers then. A wreck meant staying at the track until the car was fixed good enough to tow it home.
How much did we get for the sponsorship ??? Free coffee while we were working on the race car. Hamburgers for the crew (of three including the owner/driver, me) if we finished in the top five and a streak dinner if we won a heat race.
The thought suddenly occurred to me, what we would have gotten if we had won a feature?? But that was not much of a possibility. Guess that is why the subject was never broached.
Okay, so from practical experience forty-five years ago racing on a 1/4 mile mud bullring with the first and second turns downhill and third and fourth up, racing strictly stock flathead V8's and six cylinder Chevys, Dodges and Plymouths. Very few guys had sponsors in those days.
We wanted to show we were a "real" race team and contrived with the guy who owned the diner next to where we kept the race car, to be our sponsor. He agreed and we painted the car red, white and blue, put a Bardahl sticker on the roof above the windshield (it was a freebie) and painted the name of the diner with accompanying info on the entire rear section of the car. We were BIG TIME !!!!! We had a sponsor !!!!!! We flat towed the car to the races. No fancy trailers then. A wreck meant staying at the track until the car was fixed good enough to tow it home.
How much did we get for the sponsorship ??? Free coffee while we were working on the race car. Hamburgers for the crew (of three including the owner/driver, me) if we finished in the top five and a streak dinner if we won a heat race.
The thought suddenly occurred to me, what we would have gotten if we had won a feature?? But that was not much of a possibility. Guess that is why the subject was never broached.
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boB
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Golly Whiz, you were lucky. The first dirt track coupe was just painted blue and white (some old house paint we had left over, applied with a brush). I did clean up the engine compartment and we were one of the first around to paint the interior of the car white. I seem to recall (notice I said seem to recall? Memory just isn't all that it used to be!) that we had an Oilzum sticker, maybe a Wynn's Friction Proofing and also a Grants Piston Rings. Not that they gave us any product or money, but all the big time racer's had those stickers on their cars, so...
The local Western Auto Store used to give us a break on parts now and then, but nothing like a sponsorship.
Track was supposedly a 1/4 mile oval, paved on the front straight and packed clay through the turns and the back straightaway. If it was in reality a 1/5 mile, I'd be surprized.
Not unusual to have 65 or 70 cars in the pits, the stands were always full and folks could park their cars along the outside of the third and fourth turns and sit on the hood. Only thing between them and the action was a low dirt berm and an old wire fence.
Won our heat, the semi and the feature one Saturday night; pay-off was something like $73.00. But it was sure a lot of fun.
The press office for NHIS sits just about where that little bull-ring used to be...
Do believe the building is bigger than the entire facility was back then.
The local Western Auto Store used to give us a break on parts now and then, but nothing like a sponsorship.
Track was supposedly a 1/4 mile oval, paved on the front straight and packed clay through the turns and the back straightaway. If it was in reality a 1/5 mile, I'd be surprized.
Not unusual to have 65 or 70 cars in the pits, the stands were always full and folks could park their cars along the outside of the third and fourth turns and sit on the hood. Only thing between them and the action was a low dirt berm and an old wire fence.
Won our heat, the semi and the feature one Saturday night; pay-off was something like $73.00. But it was sure a lot of fun.
The press office for NHIS sits just about where that little bull-ring used to be...
Do believe the building is bigger than the entire facility was back then.
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WideOpenPhoto
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Now you guys are too damn serious about this... Lighten up folks......
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boB
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Hey WOP, some of us have taken racing pretty seriously.
When you depend on it for a goodly portion of your income, you tend to take it that way.
Then you suddenly find out that you're old, outdated and too tired to even bother anymore.
(By the way, IMHO FOX/FX is the about the worst thing that could have ever happened to auto racing.)
Looked over your website and am curious as to what your using for cameras, lens and film? OR are you digital now?
I'm still using my old Nikon but lots of places want nothing but digital images now. At this late stage I just hate to spend the money to update.
And have you checked out Tiny's website? If not, I think you might enjoy it.
When you depend on it for a goodly portion of your income, you tend to take it that way.
Then you suddenly find out that you're old, outdated and too tired to even bother anymore.
(By the way, IMHO FOX/FX is the about the worst thing that could have ever happened to auto racing.)
Looked over your website and am curious as to what your using for cameras, lens and film? OR are you digital now?
I'm still using my old Nikon but lots of places want nothing but digital images now. At this late stage I just hate to spend the money to update.
And have you checked out Tiny's website? If not, I think you might enjoy it.
I use a Kodak DX4530 5.0 mp (don't know much about cams so i dont know what else to say about it) 
I have pics in the drit track fourm on here, also at Terryenglish.com (link is in my sig) (the guy made 2 of the pics a lot brighter because he was in the shade when i took the pic.)
I have pics in the drit track fourm on here, also at Terryenglish.com (link is in my sig) (the guy made 2 of the pics a lot brighter because he was in the shade when i took the pic.)
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boB
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Lappy,
I've checked out those shots of yours; you've got some good ones for sure.
I bought a Nikon Coolpix 4300, 5 mp digital for my wife. She loves it and has all sorts of programs here on the computer to work with it.
She can even scan the prints of my film shots and enhance, enlarge, shrink or whatever with those programs.
Being sort of old fashioned and computer challanged, I haven't gotten around to figuring all that stuff out yet.
That, and I still just like the feel and speed of the old film camera.
A matter of what one is used to I would have to say.
smilies added so we're not getting too serious here!
I've checked out those shots of yours; you've got some good ones for sure.
I bought a Nikon Coolpix 4300, 5 mp digital for my wife. She loves it and has all sorts of programs here on the computer to work with it.
She can even scan the prints of my film shots and enhance, enlarge, shrink or whatever with those programs.
Being sort of old fashioned and computer challanged, I haven't gotten around to figuring all that stuff out yet.
That, and I still just like the feel and speed of the old film camera.
A matter of what one is used to I would have to say.
smilies added so we're not getting too serious here!
We both have 5 mp dig cams!! 
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boB
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No, we don't.
You and my wife do.
She only lets me use the digital if I promise to be nice, be careful with it and buy her something expensive.
You and my wife do.
She only lets me use the digital if I promise to be nice, be careful with it and buy her something expensive.
Whizzer
Gig'em
My post was serious. It is a true story. I am laughing at myself and the way things were done at the time. Even hard-azz boB, the old fart, knows it was fun and serious at the same time no matter how much money was tied up.
There were teams much more serious than we were. I didn't have the money to race modified or limited sportsman. I was making $1.50 an hour working in a manufacturing plant so money wasn't plentiful, but not having money never got in the way of having fun.
We went to a junk yard and bought a 1940 Ford for $20 and that was the start. A seat belt from a WWII fighter plane and roll bars welded (poorly I might add) and a beer keg for a gas tank. And we went racing !!!!!!!!! No lightweight pistons or chromed rings, Mallory ignitions were out of the question but street tires were in. It was fun.
We tried just as hard and took the racing as seriously as the bigger teams and even managed to get my azz kicked for being a big mouth while discussing some insignificant on-track incident. Just another memory of how it used to be.
The interesting part was, it was serious but it was fun. More fun than there is today in NASCAR. A transporter driver I knew well told me he was ready to get out of the series because all the fun was gone. In his words it wasn't like it used to be. This was around 1987. He left the series as a transporter driver a few years later.
The series was more laid back and competition wasn't dealing with aero engineers and all the other crap. Today it is dog eat dog and dealing with mega millionaires like Penske, Childress, Gnassi, just to name a few. These guys buy wins as much as earn them. Look at how they ruined CART.
The saddest thing is the fans of today will never see how NASCAR used to be so I guess the best thing to do is beg the indulgence of the newer fans while us old guys throw out some personal experiences and expand them a little.
I've gotta get down off this soap box. Damn!! When I get up there find it is lonely at the top.
Hey Whiz...I , for one, enjoy reading the storys you and boB post. The history of this sport is fasinating. Keep telling your stories, I'll listen.
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66mustang
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Yeah keep it up. I never got to experience the good ol days and so hearing, or reading them, is the closest thing I know to real racing.
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esorlxaw
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I chose Viagra for my child's car because I feel it would open up avenues for frank discussions between parents and children about sex and reproduction...I'd rather my kids learn it from me instead of some sixth grader who found his dad's porno collection. You can call my decisions trite, but there was a good reason behind it...I wish my dad was able to talk about sex with me...learning all the tech stuff from mom was kind of awkward, but at least she had the courage to talk to me about it.